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They could do it in Arrate, just after the last wall, Km 4, with one km at obout 5 percent, 1,5 km at about 1 percent downhill, the downhill itself and 5 Km of flat terrain. When you ar at 10 Km/h it is not a big problem to stop a little and even take a little rest, but I think is unliky they do that, it is a very short ITT and the flat terrain is in Eibar city, so...
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They could do it in Arrate, just after the last wall, Km 4, with one km at obout 5 percent, 1,5 km at about 1 percent downhill, the downhill itself and 5 Km of flat terrain. When you ar at 10 Km/h it is not a big problem to stop a little and even take a little rest, but I think is unliky they do that, it is a very short ITT and the flat terrain is in Eibar city, so...
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The descent is quite technical, not a power descent, so a normal bike is probably better. And if, as you say, the flat is in Eibar, probably there are lots of corners, so I don't think the riders will opt for a change.Taxus4a said:
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Yes, Nocentini is just friend of girls I think...
That is quite normal in cycling. Tiralongo is friend, but this is a competition.
Those 3 was a little help, but important to get Aru quickly. Today was a good help to do more explosive the start of Arrate and quintana and Pinot payed it... Pinot did quite bad by trying to follow Conmtador, he cracked, he was lucky to recover later and lose just 2 seconds.
Anyway, I dont consider unfair Bambrilla work, (what a nice man by the way, despite his boxing affair in la Vuelta), it is as unfair as to have a team more money to sign the best riders. and I consider fair that a domestique set a high pace at the begining of the climb.. but of course with landa ahead , without Bambrilla it would have been a very diofferent situation for him.
Congrats Flo, tomorrow very likely Contador will get the stage and the GC.
But, saying in a neutral point of view, Froome (it is just a joke, he is a good boy) must be smoking a big cigar in the sofa smiling watching how Contador in his best shape and best terrain struggle to win his domestiques.
LaFlorecita said:And Nocentini, Bongiorno and Anton in the Giro.Taxus4a said:
Tiralongo does not count cause he is a really good friend
Yes, Nocentini is just friend of girls I think...
That is quite normal in cycling. Tiralongo is friend, but this is a competition.
Those 3 was a little help, but important to get Aru quickly. Today was a good help to do more explosive the start of Arrate and quintana and Pinot payed it... Pinot did quite bad by trying to follow Conmtador, he cracked, he was lucky to recover later and lose just 2 seconds.
Anyway, I dont consider unfair Bambrilla work, (what a nice man by the way, despite his boxing affair in la Vuelta), it is as unfair as to have a team more money to sign the best riders. and I consider fair that a domestique set a high pace at the begining of the climb.. but of course with landa ahead , without Bambrilla it would have been a very diofferent situation for him.
Congrats Flo, tomorrow very likely Contador will get the stage and the GC.
But, saying in a neutral point of view, Froome (it is just a joke, he is a good boy) must be smoking a big cigar in the sofa smiling watching how Contador in his best shape and best terrain struggle to win his domestiques.
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Even Froome can't beat Henao in this kind of shape on this parcours. He's too damn strong. So happy for him. Hope he crush'em all tomorrow(most likely they will crush him).
Taxus4a said:LaFlorecita said:And Nocentini, Bongiorno and Anton in the Giro.Taxus4a said:
Tiralongo does not count cause he is a really good friend
Yes, Nocentini is just friend of girls I think...
That is quite normal in cycling. Tiralongo is friend, but this is a competition.
Those 3 was a little help, but important to get Aru quickly. Today was a good help to do more explosive the start of Arrate and quintana and Pinot payed it... Pinot did quite bad by trying to follow Conmtador, he cracked, he was lucky to recover later and lose just 2 seconds.
Anyway, I dont consider unfair Bambrilla work, (what a nice man by the way, despite his boxing affair in la Vuelta), it is as unfair as to have a team more money to sign the best riders. and I consider fair that a domestique set a high pace at the begining of the climb.. but of course with landa ahead , without Bambrilla it would have been a very diofferent situation for him.
Congrats Flo, tomorrow very likely Contador will get the stage and the GC.
But, saying in a neutral point of view, Froome (it is just a joke, he is a good boy) must be smoking a big cigar in the sofa smiling watching how Contador in his best shape and best terrain struggle to win his domestiques.
Even Froome can't beat Henao in this kind of shape on this parcours. He's too damn strong. So happy for him. Hope he crush'em all tomorrow(most likely they will crush him).
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There aren't many guys who could beat Henao in this kind of shape on this parcours, Tom Dumoulin in Vuelta shape would have a chance, he's awesome on the short, really steep climbs and a TT specialist.pink_jersey said:Taxus4a said:LaFlorecita said:And Nocentini, Bongiorno and Anton in the Giro.Taxus4a said:
Tiralongo does not count cause he is a really good friend
Yes, Nocentini is just friend of girls I think...
That is quite normal in cycling. Tiralongo is friend, but this is a competition.
Those 3 was a little help, but important to get Aru quickly. Today was a good help to do more explosive the start of Arrate and quintana and Pinot payed it... Pinot did quite bad by trying to follow Conmtador, he cracked, he was lucky to recover later and lose just 2 seconds.
Anyway, I dont consider unfair Bambrilla work, (what a nice man by the way, despite his boxing affair in la Vuelta), it is as unfair as to have a team more money to sign the best riders. and I consider fair that a domestique set a high pace at the begining of the climb.. but of course with landa ahead , without Bambrilla it would have been a very diofferent situation for him.
Congrats Flo, tomorrow very likely Contador will get the stage and the GC.
But, saying in a neutral point of view, Froome (it is just a joke, he is a good boy) must be smoking a big cigar in the sofa smiling watching how Contador in his best shape and best terrain struggle to win his domestiques.
Even Froome can't beat Henao in this kind of shape on this parcours. He's too damn strong. So happy for him. Hope he crush'em all tomorrow(most likely they will crush him).
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Along with cobbles, tactics, bad weather and what have you, steep hills was also something many hopeful but naive fans proposed Froome can't do, but then he murdered everyone par Purito at the Mur de Huy. Peak Froome beats Henao on just about any climb
pink_jersey said:Taxus4a said:LaFlorecita said:And Nocentini, Bongiorno and Anton in the Giro.Taxus4a said:
Tiralongo does not count cause he is a really good friend
Yes, Nocentini is just friend of girls I think...
That is quite normal in cycling. Tiralongo is friend, but this is a competition.
Those 3 was a little help, but important to get Aru quickly. Today was a good help to do more explosive the start of Arrate and quintana and Pinot payed it... Pinot did quite bad by trying to follow Conmtador, he cracked, he was lucky to recover later and lose just 2 seconds.
Anyway, I dont consider unfair Bambrilla work, (what a nice man by the way, despite his boxing affair in la Vuelta), it is as unfair as to have a team more money to sign the best riders. and I consider fair that a domestique set a high pace at the begining of the climb.. but of course with landa ahead , without Bambrilla it would have been a very diofferent situation for him.
Congrats Flo, tomorrow very likely Contador will get the stage and the GC.
But, saying in a neutral point of view, Froome (it is just a joke, he is a good boy) must be smoking a big cigar in the sofa smiling watching how Contador in his best shape and best terrain struggle to win his domestiques.
Even Froome can't beat Henao in this kind of shape on this parcours. He's too damn strong. So happy for him. Hope he crush'em all tomorrow(most likely they will crush him).
Along with cobbles, tactics, bad weather and what have you, steep hills was also something many hopeful but naive fans proposed Froome can't do, but then he murdered everyone par Purito at the Mur de Huy. Peak Froome beats Henao on just about any climb
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I think Froome in good shape beat Henao in Arrate, but yes, not easy (and yes, this is quite speculation). Froome climbed Arrate once in 19:58 (as well as Contador, Purito and Valverde, all of them in good shape, especially Purito that year). Today Henao did 17 seconds more. But harder conditions and stage.
Froome today in his best shape can do it better than then. I mean Arrate, of course not Aia, although he is a powerfull rider and who knows.
Mayomaniac said:There aren't many guys who could beat Henao in this kind of shape on this parcours, Tom Dumoulin in Vuelta shape would have a chance, he's awesome on the short, really steep climbs and a TT specialist.pink_jersey said:Taxus4a said:LaFlorecita said:And Nocentini, Bongiorno and Anton in the Giro.Taxus4a said:
Tiralongo does not count cause he is a really good friend
Yes, Nocentini is just friend of girls I think...
That is quite normal in cycling. Tiralongo is friend, but this is a competition.
Those 3 was a little help, but important to get Aru quickly. Today was a good help to do more explosive the start of Arrate and quintana and Pinot payed it... Pinot did quite bad by trying to follow Conmtador, he cracked, he was lucky to recover later and lose just 2 seconds.
Anyway, I dont consider unfair Bambrilla work, (what a nice man by the way, despite his boxing affair in la Vuelta), it is as unfair as to have a team more money to sign the best riders. and I consider fair that a domestique set a high pace at the begining of the climb.. but of course with landa ahead , without Bambrilla it would have been a very diofferent situation for him.
Congrats Flo, tomorrow very likely Contador will get the stage and the GC.
But, saying in a neutral point of view, Froome (it is just a joke, he is a good boy) must be smoking a big cigar in the sofa smiling watching how Contador in his best shape and best terrain struggle to win his domestiques.
Even Froome can't beat Henao in this kind of shape on this parcours. He's too damn strong. So happy for him. Hope he crush'em all tomorrow(most likely they will crush him).
I think Froome in good shape beat Henao in Arrate, but yes, not easy (and yes, this is quite speculation). Froome climbed Arrate once in 19:58 (as well as Contador, Purito and Valverde, all of them in good shape, especially Purito that year). Today Henao did 17 seconds more. But harder conditions and stage.
Froome today in his best shape can do it better than then. I mean Arrate, of course not Aia, although he is a powerfull rider and who knows.
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Put Froome and Henao on Cauberg and Henao will beat him 10 times out of 10.
I'm also a Froome fan, but c'mon, in climbs like Huy or Aia he isn't better than the likes of Henao, Purito or Piti. I think they are on par. But Henao has the better punch.
I'm also a Froome fan, but c'mon, in climbs like Huy or Aia he isn't better than the likes of Henao, Purito or Piti. I think they are on par. But Henao has the better punch.
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When you ride a stage it is not just the end.
In that stage is more important how you fell in the flat terrain during all the stage, and how your team protected you alog that stage and previous stages (in this case one previous stage), and how your team leave you at the botton of the climb than your skills for a short and step climb.
All the things counts, so Purito won, but not by far respect riders no so good in that kind of climbs. But of course as you said Froome is good in any kind of climb, so in a 5 km long climb I think he is better than Henao if both are ok, Other things is today weather condition. Froome is quite afected by that.
SeriousSam said:pink_jersey said:Taxus4a said:LaFlorecita said:And Nocentini, Bongiorno and Anton in the Giro.Taxus4a said:
Tiralongo does not count cause he is a really good friend
Yes, Nocentini is just friend of girls I think...
That is quite normal in cycling. Tiralongo is friend, but this is a competition.
Those 3 was a little help, but important to get Aru quickly. Today was a good help to do more explosive the start of Arrate and quintana and Pinot payed it... Pinot did quite bad by trying to follow Conmtador, he cracked, he was lucky to recover later and lose just 2 seconds.
Anyway, I dont consider unfair Bambrilla work, (what a nice man by the way, despite his boxing affair in la Vuelta), it is as unfair as to have a team more money to sign the best riders. and I consider fair that a domestique set a high pace at the begining of the climb.. but of course with landa ahead , without Bambrilla it would have been a very diofferent situation for him.
Congrats Flo, tomorrow very likely Contador will get the stage and the GC.
But, saying in a neutral point of view, Froome (it is just a joke, he is a good boy) must be smoking a big cigar in the sofa smiling watching how Contador in his best shape and best terrain struggle to win his domestiques.
Even Froome can't beat Henao in this kind of shape on this parcours. He's too damn strong. So happy for him. Hope he crush'em all tomorrow(most likely they will crush him).
Along with cobbles, tactics, bad weather and what have you, steep hills was also something many hopeful but naive fans proposed Froome can't do, but then he murdered everyone par Purito at the Mur de Huy. Peak Froome beats Henao on just about any climb
When you ride a stage it is not just the end.
In that stage is more important how you fell in the flat terrain during all the stage, and how your team protected you alog that stage and previous stages (in this case one previous stage), and how your team leave you at the botton of the climb than your skills for a short and step climb.
All the things counts, so Purito won, but not by far respect riders no so good in that kind of climbs. But of course as you said Froome is good in any kind of climb, so in a 5 km long climb I think he is better than Henao if both are ok, Other things is today weather condition. Froome is quite afected by that.
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I'd willingly pay him not to commentate.PremierAndrew said:To think that Kirby gets paid to commentate
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http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27941
Do you think that TVG is better for those kind of climbs, as Huy, than Yates or Arredondo? In a stage of le Tour there are a lot of things that count, it is not just the kind of finish.
Do you think that TVG is better for those kind of climbs, as Huy, than Yates or Arredondo? In a stage of le Tour there are a lot of things that count, it is not just the kind of finish.
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Dont mix up stuff to make it look better for your case, form is the key word here! If Henao and Froome is both at their best in SUCH a finish Henao got the advantage.
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Dont mix up stuff to make it look better for your case, form is the key word here! If Henao and Froome is both at their best in SUCH a finish Henao got the advantage.
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I don't really think so. It's probably really hard to say. I think the training is probably a little bit different. IIRC, Valverde set the record on the Mur de Huy last year, or in 2014. In anyway, he wasn't anywhere close in that Tour stage compared to his april times, and yet he was climbing better than ever in the third week of the Tour.
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I don't really think so. It's probably really hard to say. I think the training is probably a little bit different. IIRC, Valverde set the record on the Mur de Huy last year, or in 2014. In anyway, he wasn't anywhere close in that Tour stage compared to his april times, and yet he was climbing better than ever in the third week of the Tour.
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