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it is a bit of a shame that Froome is riding from a spectator point of view, there would be about 10 people who could realistically win if things went their way.
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Singer01 said:it is a bit of a shame that Froome is riding from a spectator point of view, there would be about 10 people who could realistically win if things went their way.
Valv.Piti said:No Sutherland, Dowsett or Barbero. That probably means Alex will leave and Sutherland will not get the call since Valverde and Quintana isn't riding and they probably don't rate Barbero that highly, if he won't get the call for this GT, he never will unless he imrpoves dramatically.
ice&fire said:Movistar long-list for the Vuelta a España: Winner Anacona, Jorge Arcas, Carlos Betancur, Richard Carapaz, Ruben Fernandes, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno, Nelson Oliveira, Antonio Pedrero, Dayer Quintana, José Joaquín Rojas and Marc Soler.
Has happened many times before, they have just been lucky Valverde has ridden it every time since 2012 with great performances. Makes room for some other riders on the biggest scene and they have many young ones, especially Soler.hfer07 said:ice&fire said:Movistar long-list for the Vuelta a España: Winner Anacona, Jorge Arcas, Carlos Betancur, Richard Carapaz, Ruben Fernandes, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno, Nelson Oliveira, Antonio Pedrero, Dayer Quintana, José Joaquín Rojas and Marc Soler.
either Dani Moreno or Izaguirre to lead the team..? what a shame! this is a bare B team riding in home soil without a single leader with a possibility to podium.....
I guess stage hunting ought to be aim then.....
hfer07 said:ice&fire said:Movistar long-list for the Vuelta a España: Winner Anacona, Jorge Arcas, Carlos Betancur, Richard Carapaz, Ruben Fernandes, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno, Nelson Oliveira, Antonio Pedrero, Dayer Quintana, José Joaquín Rojas and Marc Soler.
either Dani Moreno or Izaguirre to lead the team..? what a shame! this is a bare B team riding in home soil without a single leader with a possibility to podium.....
I guess stage hunting ought to be aim then.....
There are definitely some good stage hunters in there, who could really animate a race if they weren't always locked into serving Q or VV's GC aspirations. I say it'd be a good thing for the race if that Movistar selection were set loose on this Vuelta route and given the freedom to go all Euskatel all over it.Blanco said:hfer07 said:ice&fire said:Movistar long-list for the Vuelta a España: Winner Anacona, Jorge Arcas, Carlos Betancur, Richard Carapaz, Ruben Fernandes, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno, Nelson Oliveira, Antonio Pedrero, Dayer Quintana, José Joaquín Rojas and Marc Soler.
either Dani Moreno or Izaguirre to lead the team..? what a shame! this is a bare B team riding in home soil without a single leader with a possibility to podium.....
I guess stage hunting ought to be aim then.....
The road will decide who's the leader. If no one is strong enough, then stage hunting all the way
Completely agree, it will be fun. They haven't done that since 2011-2012 apart from a few Giri, altho I must admit that Valverde not riding his home race is a bitter pillow to swallow for me. I can't imagine how he feels, there even is a finish in Murcia. But there are just so many stages to stagehunt for a team such as Movistar.Leinster said:There are definitely some good stage hunters in there, who could really animate a race if they weren't always locked into serving Q or VV's GC aspirations. I say it'd be a good thing for the race if that Movistar selection were set loose on this Vuelta route and given the freedom to go all Euskatel all over it.Blanco said:hfer07 said:ice&fire said:Movistar long-list for the Vuelta a España: Winner Anacona, Jorge Arcas, Carlos Betancur, Richard Carapaz, Ruben Fernandes, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno, Nelson Oliveira, Antonio Pedrero, Dayer Quintana, José Joaquín Rojas and Marc Soler.
either Dani Moreno or Izaguirre to lead the team..? what a shame! this is a bare B team riding in home soil without a single leader with a possibility to podium.....
I guess stage hunting ought to be aim then.....
The road will decide who's the leader. If no one is strong enough, then stage hunting all the way
Eclipse said:yaco said:Apparently Spilak is ending his GT exile in the Vuelta.
Seems an odd one for a guy who doesn't really like the heat to commit to.
Love me a bit of Spilak though so would be excited to see how he can go
Gigs_98 said:I really like the first two changes. The Collado Bermejo might be a bit easier this way but at least this has now become a potential point for attacks. Same counts for La Pandera. I don't know if that new climb is much easier but at least this climb gives riders the chance to attack a bit earlier on the climb. With a flat section between the last two climbs nothing would have happened before the last 5 km.
The 3rd change is however something very bad. The last 20 kilometers are only a bit over 5% steep. I kinda fear an Etna scenario although ofc in this case the climb has already started way earlier but nobody will attack before the last 20 k and now it will become hard to attack on the last 20 k as well.
I don't really care about the shortening of the TT. Those 1.8 km most likely wouldn't have changed anything anyway.
Something else I realized by looking at the new profiles is that the mtf of stage 17 is actually pretty brutal and has extremely steep ramps in it. (It's now btw also an ESP climb) Not sure if that was just a mistake of the old profile or if they now really use a different last climb. If the latter is the case I don't really like that change since I though two not extremely difficult 1st category climbs directly after each other at the end of the stage might provide room for some nice tactical moves and attacks on the penultimate climb. Now I'm not so sure about that anymore.
Anyway I still like the route. Few flat stages, but while last year they also achieved that by simply putting a steep mtf at the end of every 2nd stage, this year they did that by making lots of hilly stages and provide a lot of variation with some descent finishes. Only problem I have with this route is that the mountain stages aren't really well designed and there are hardly any places where you can make long range attacks. Then again the Vuelta mountain stages often end up being much better than they should be looking at the profile. Well, the Vuelta is simply completely different than the other gt's.
Robert5091 said:Stage 17 - finish has up to 28% sections!
(according to http://www.cyclingstage.com/vuelta-2017-route/spain-route-2017/ )
yep. from http://www.eltiodelmazo.com/2016/10...s-del-28-para-la-vuelta-de-2017-los-machucos/
Edit- added profile - see someone else found it too!
Mother of god, just found pictures of that climbTromleTromle said:Gigs_98 said:I really like the first two changes. The Collado Bermejo might be a bit easier this way but at least this has now become a potential point for attacks. Same counts for La Pandera. I don't know if that new climb is much easier but at least this climb gives riders the chance to attack a bit earlier on the climb. With a flat section between the last two climbs nothing would have happened before the last 5 km.
The 3rd change is however something very bad. The last 20 kilometers are only a bit over 5% steep. I kinda fear an Etna scenario although ofc in this case the climb has already started way earlier but nobody will attack before the last 20 k and now it will become hard to attack on the last 20 k as well.
I don't really care about the shortening of the TT. Those 1.8 km most likely wouldn't have changed anything anyway.
Something else I realized by looking at the new profiles is that the mtf of stage 17 is actually pretty brutal and has extremely steep ramps in it. (It's now btw also an ESP climb) Not sure if that was just a mistake of the old profile or if they now really use a different last climb. If the latter is the case I don't really like that change since I though two not extremely difficult 1st category climbs directly after each other at the end of the stage might provide room for some nice tactical moves and attacks on the penultimate climb. Now I'm not so sure about that anymore.
Anyway I still like the route. Few flat stages, but while last year they also achieved that by simply putting a steep mtf at the end of every 2nd stage, this year they did that by making lots of hilly stages and provide a lot of variation with some descent finishes. Only problem I have with this route is that the mountain stages aren't really well designed and there are hardly any places where you can make long range attacks. Then again the Vuelta mountain stages often end up being much better than they should be looking at the profile. Well, the Vuelta is simply completely different than the other gt's.
agreeing in most of it, except for that pandera will be snoozed until the 18% slope.
stage 17 did not change, except for an upgrade in CAT- well 9km of 9 km is debatable ESP, but it's just this little hombre from 1,5 to 11.5 km mark. 28% :surprised: :surprised: This will be carnage.
No Las Sabinas so that was never the case.ice&fire said:One of the main features of this year Vuelta parcourse was that considering the stage departure and finish places, Unipublic had chosen the best possible route (or at least one that was not clearly inferior to the best) in those stages most relevant for the GC . This is no longer the case in the Sierra Nevada stage.