Vuelta Stage 16: Circuito de Navarra - Logroño (40.2km)

[Ruby United]

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Not sure I get the hyperbole around Froome for this result. Surely 30 seconds on Kelderman and a minute on Nibali is just about par from what we have seen in the last five years. Maybe even slightly under par for such a flat, non technical TT.

You are missing the point completely

This performacne is at the end of his 2nd GT in a row riding for GC when everyone else in the race who rode the Tour are showing the signs (at some point, but mostly now )......this is why its remarkable and quite unbelieveable

I don't agree with you at all.
Froome is amazing in TT's even when he is tired and fading in the mountains.
Last years Vuelta where he certainly was not the strongest rider in the mountains he won stage 19, a 37km TT, by 44 seconds over Castroviejo. His closest GC rival was Contador, who lost about 2 minutes to Froome.

So, the way I see it, Contador did way worse in last years Vuelta TT (having not finished the Tour) compared to Froome than this years Vuelta TT (when both finished the Tour).
Or, another way of putting it is as follows: Froome did worse in the TT today than he did in last years TT where his closest GC rival hadn't finished the Tour.

 

[HelloDolly]

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Not sure I get the hyperbole around Froome for this result. Surely 30 seconds on Kelderman and a minute on Nibali is just about par from what we have seen in the last five years. Maybe even slightly under par for such a flat, non technical TT.

You are missing the point completely

This performacne is at the end of his 2nd GT in a row riding for GC when everyone else in the race who rode the Tour are showing the signs (at some point, but mostly now )......this is why its remarkable and quite unbelieveable

It's remarkable and unbelievable if you haven't been following cycling for the last five years. If you have been following, then it's pretty much business as usual. He put in a better TT later on in the Vuelta last year.

The point is that being surprised by it at this stage is ridiculous.

I have been following cycling for alot longer and the who said anything about being surprised ...geez waht is the point if you cannot read what is in front of you ...

 

[Ruby United]

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Kirby seems to think Froome will average 52km/hr in this time trial????

kirby's an idiot

Vroomeys avg. speed: 51.319 km/h - barely missed

51.3 km/h seems close to 52 km/h number wise, but translated into time you can see it is quite a foolish prediction:
52 km/h for 40.2 km = 46 minutes 23 seconds.

 

[DFA123]

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Not sure I get the hyperbole around Froome for this result. Surely 30 seconds on Kelderman and a minute on Nibali is just about par from what we have seen in the last five years. Maybe even slightly under par for such a flat, non technical TT.

You are missing the point completely

This performacne is at the end of his 2nd GT in a row riding for GC when everyone else in the race who rode the Tour are showing the signs (at some point, but mostly now )......this is why its remarkable and quite unbelieveable

It's remarkable and unbelievable if you haven't been following cycling for the last five years. If you have been following, then it's pretty much business as usual. He put in a better TT later on in the Vuelta last year.

The point is that being surprised by it at this stage is ridiculous.

I have been following cycling for alot longer and the who said anything about being surprised ...geez waht is the point if you cannot read what is in front of you ...

Oh I see, so your use of words like 'remarkable' and 'unbelievable' were not surprise, just a snide Clinic reference. In that case, I suggest you take it there. I'm out.

 

[meat puppet]

Was the amount motopacing even amongst the gc boys? Understood froome got less than some others. If so, all the more impressive from him.

 

[Angliru]

Re: Re:

Not sure I get the hyperbole around Froome for this result. Surely 30 seconds on Kelderman and a minute on Nibali is just about par from what we have seen in the last five years. Maybe even slightly under par for such a flat, non technical TT.

You are missing the point completely

This performacne is at the end of his 2nd GT in a row riding for GC when everyone else in the race who rode the Tour are showing the signs (at some point, but mostly now )......this is why its remarkable and quite unbelieveable

I don't agree with you at all.
Froome is amazing in TT's even when he is tired and fading in the mountains.
Last years Vuelta where he certainly was not the strongest rider in the mountains he won stage 19, a 37km TT, by 44 seconds over Castroviejo. His closest GC rival was Contador, who lost about 2 minutes to Froome.

So, the way I see it, Contador did way worse in last years Vuelta TT (having not finished the Tour) compared to Froome than this years Vuelta TT (when both finished the Tour).
Or, another way of putting it is as follows: Froome did worse in the TT today than he did in last years TT where his closest GC rival hadn't finished the Tour.

Did he not say that he was saving energy for the upcoming stage(s) or am I mistaken?

 

[miguelindurain111]

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Kirby seems to think Froome will average 52km/hr in this time trial????

kirby's an idiot

Vroomeys avg. speed: 51.319 km/h - barely missed

And if he would have gone all out Kirby had been right! Kirby is a f****** genius! :lol:

 

[telencefalus]

yes Froome is saving energy , you see he was not fatigued at all at the end so expect him to not lose time in the next stages

 

[spalco]

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Did he not say that he was saving energy for the upcoming stage(s) or am I mistaken?

That's what he said. Do you believe it?

 

[telencefalus]

and i 'd say that he could win another stage but it will be difficult , Nibali did a great tt just 57 seconds back to Froome i was hoping for something better to have a race more open but the dominance is clear , Froome is impressive he ride this after a tour de france won , and now he is dominating la vuelta agianst a fresh Nibali , it's better than Indurain who in his victories didint' face riders like Nibali while doing the double

 

[miguelindurain111]

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Did he not say that he was saving energy for the upcoming stage(s) or am I mistaken?

That's what he said. Do you believe it?

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[DFA123]

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Was the amount motopacing even amongst the gc boys? Understood froome got less than some others. If so, all the more impressive from him.

It certainly looked to be benefitting some more than others. It's a bit ridiculous how much better Valverde and Contador generally do in flat TTs in Spain than elsewhere - especially in recent years.

I wonder if there is much the organisers can do about it though. Contador was being led out by two Guardia Civil for most of the route. I wonder if the race organisers even have the jurisdiction to tell the police or Guardia Civil, in charge of crowd control, to go further ahead.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Excellent time trial by Kelderman. Too bad Froome was as strong as you can expect.
Man what a guy, 29s behind at first check and then winning by 29s at the end. He rode far faster than anyone else once he got off the technical start

 

[Angliru]

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Did he not say that he was saving energy for the upcoming stage(s) or am I mistaken?

That's what he said. Do you believe it?

What would be the point of announcing it, so that his rivals will give less effort? That makes no sense. So that his rivals will give even more effort thinking that they will make up some time they otherwise might not, and consequently be worn out for the upcoming stages? Is it a mind game he thinks that he and his team are capable of playing with their rivals, so beneath the Sky intellect that they fall over themselves trying figure truth from fiction? I think they pay him no mind and ride their own race (itt). I really can't see what is to be gained from making his announcement if only to make, as I stated in another thread prior to the start of today's stage, his inevitable victory seem even more ridiculous in the eyes of viewers when it happens.

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Not sure I get the hyperbole around Froome for this result. Surely 30 seconds on Kelderman and a minute on Nibali is just about par from what we have seen in the last five years. Maybe even slightly under par for such a flat, non technical TT.

You are missing the point completely

This performacne is at the end of his 2nd GT in a row riding for GC when everyone else in the race who rode the Tour are showing the signs (at some point, but mostly now )......this is why its remarkable and quite unbelieveable

Defending yellow for most of the Tour, followed by post-Tour crits and appearances, including a trip to Kazakhstan, appears to be the new optimal preparation to smash the Vuelta almost from the beginning. No problem defending red this long.

 

[Angliru]

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and i 'd say that he could win another stage but it will be difficult , Nibali did a great tt just 57 seconds back to Froome i was hoping for something better to have a race more open but the dominance is clear , Froome is impressive he ride this after a tour de france won , and now he is dominating la vuelta agianst a fresh Nibali , it's better than Indurain who in his victories didint' face riders like Nibali while doing the double

Please stop. :sad:

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Poels! Did I miss something? Did he so something like this before in a TT?

Yes he did, Giro Barolo time trial.

 

[spalco]

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[...]I really can't see what is to be gained from making his announcement if only to make, as I stated in another thread prior to the start of today's stage, his inevitable victory seem even more ridiculous in the eyes of viewers when it happens.

Preemptive excuse for a mediocre performance is an explanation I could see. I don't think it's possible to half-ass a TT anyway though if you care at all about the result.

 

[Ruby United]

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Not sure I get the hyperbole around Froome for this result. Surely 30 seconds on Kelderman and a minute on Nibali is just about par from what we have seen in the last five years. Maybe even slightly under par for such a flat, non technical TT.

You are missing the point completely

This performacne is at the end of his 2nd GT in a row riding for GC when everyone else in the race who rode the Tour are showing the signs (at some point, but mostly now )......this is why its remarkable and quite unbelieveable

Defending yellow for most of the Tour, followed by post-Tour crits and appearances, including a trip to Kazakhstan, appears to be the new optimal preparation to smash the Vuelta almost from the beginning. No problem defending red this long.

Froome spent most of his time training, actually.
In the 25 (or so) days between the Tour and Vuelta he rode 3000km in training - almost equivalent to another GT!

 

[klintE]

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Kirby seems to think Froome will average 52km/hr in this time trial????

kirby's an idiot

Vroomeys avg. speed: 51.319 km/h - barely missed

51.3 km/h seems close to 52 km/h number wise, but translated into time you can see it is quite a foolish prediction:
52 km/h for 40.2 km = 46 minutes 23 seconds.

30 seconds is a foolishness edge?
Please

 

[Gigs_98]

I think this could be a very strange TT in which Froome ends up winning the stage since not so many great TT'ers are riding the vuelta but he won't gain that much time since his TT shape this year hasn't been great. I think the most likely scenario is that Nibali will lose around a minute to Froome maybe a little more.

I'd call that a good prediction

 

[telencefalus]

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Not sure I get the hyperbole around Froome for this result. Surely 30 seconds on Kelderman and a minute on Nibali is just about par from what we have seen in the last five years. Maybe even slightly under par for such a flat, non technical TT.

You are missing the point completely

This performacne is at the end of his 2nd GT in a row riding for GC when everyone else in the race who rode the Tour are showing the signs (at some point, but mostly now )......this is why its remarkable and quite unbelieveable

Defending yellow for most of the Tour, followed by post-Tour crits and appearances, including a trip to Kazakhstan, appears to be the new optimal preparation to smash the Vuelta almost from the beginning. No problem defending red this long.

Froome spent most of his time training, actually.
In the 25 (or so) days between the Tour and Vuelta he rode 3000km in training - almost equivalent to another GT!

WELL IF this is true , he is not human ,and if he is he will fade bad becasue like dottor ferrari say if you train too hard your career is going to last very few

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Heh, 6 dutch guys in the first 20. I remember the 'ol 2000 years where we were happy with Erik Dekker in 25th. :lol:

Props to Peter Koning btw. Nice performance from him to end 18th

 

[Ruby United]

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Kirby seems to think Froome will average 52km/hr in this time trial????

kirby's an idiot

Vroomeys avg. speed: 51.319 km/h - barely missed

51.3 km/h seems close to 52 km/h number wise, but translated into time you can see it is quite a foolish prediction:
52 km/h for 40.2 km = 46 minutes 23 seconds.

30 seconds is a foolishness edge?
Please

I specifically said 'quite foolish.'
Calling him an idiot because of that prediction is harsh.

 

[roundabout]

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Poels! Did I miss something? Did he so something like this before in a TT?

Yes he did, Giro Barolo time trial.

Ok, let's rephrase the question, did he do something like this before in a largely flat TT?