Vuelta Stage 18: Suances → Santo Toribio de Liébana - 169 km

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

The same arguments so reply will be the same.
This Vuelta proved several times that Froome is beatable.
Finally crucial point is if he is weaker or stronger than his rivals, despite the train. So obvious.

 

[del1962]

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I think this is why some people dislike Sky. Just wow.....

Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.

Lot of cherry picking and distortion there

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

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I think this is why some people dislike Sky. Just wow.....

Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.

:lol: When my mood is not perfect I actually know what to do: just to visit this forum, read such posts and finally can start to laugh. :lol:

 

[snccdcno]

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The same arguments so reply will be the same.
This Vuelta proved several times that Froome is beatable.
Finally crucial point is if he is weaker or stronger than his rivals, despite the train. So obvious.

There is definitely something that is obvious.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Powerful and dominant win by Armee. Congrats.
Some great action by the break today.

 

[Jagartrott]

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I think this is why some people dislike Sky. Just wow.....

Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Yeah, that'll be it. Wait, no. It's the dislike of a team buying their way to winning, suffocating almost anybody else. It creates a feeling of an uneven playing field, which it is.

 

[Forever The Best]

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I think this is why some people dislike Sky. Just wow.....

Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.

Lot of cherry picking and distortion there

[quote="Forever The Best":21sw4yof][quote="wwabbit":21sw4yof][quote="<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">Valv.Piti</span>":21sw4yof]I think this is why some people dislike Sky. Just wow.....

Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.[/quote]
Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.[/quote]

:lol: When my mood is not perfect I actually know what to do: just to visit this forum, read such posts and finally can start to laugh. :lol:[/quote]

Why don't you 2 answer my points instead of writing condescending posts?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Why don't you 2 answer my points instead of writing condescending posts?

Just ignore them. Your points were absolutely spot on.

 

[kenk09]

Re: Vuelta Stage 18: Suances → Santo Toribio de Liébana - 16

Cos comparing him to Hitler, that's a great place to start a healthy discussion.

 

[Forever The Best]

Re: Vuelta Stage 18: Suances → Santo Toribio de Liébana - 16

Cos comparing him to Hitler, that's a great place to start a healthy discussion.

Sorry, thought the name of the book was Mein Climb for some reason. (I had a brain fart) :redface: (Seriously, sorry for that, wasn't trying to do a comparison like that.) Gonna edit my post.

 

[del1962]

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I think this is why some people dislike Sky. Just wow.....

Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.

Lot of cherry picking and distortion there

[quote="Forever The Best":3o5y9va9][quote="wwabbit":3o5y9va9][quote="<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">Valv.Piti</span>":3o5y9va9]I think this is why some people dislike Sky. Just wow.....

Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.[/quote]

:lol: When my mood is not perfect I actually know what to do: just to visit this forum, read such posts and finally can start to laugh. :lol:[/quote]

Why don't you 2 answer my points instead of writing condescending posts? [/quote]

What points all I see is a rather pathetic rant

 

[Forever The Best]

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Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.

Lot of cherry picking and distortion there

[quote="Forever The Best":72bdoi9o][quote="wwabbit":72bdoi9o]
Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.

:lol: When my mood is not perfect I actually know what to do: just to visit this forum, read such posts and finally can start to laugh. :lol:

Why don't you 2 answer my points instead of writing condescending posts? [/quote]

What points all I see is a rather pathetic rant[/quote]So you don't have an answer since you resort to sentences like this.

 

[del1962]

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Why don't you 2 answer my points instead of writing condescending posts?

Just ignore them. Your points were absolutely spot on.

What points did he make that weren't the sort of cherry picked garbage

Lets take Nibali, blatant cheating by 100mph rides of cars, throwing bottles at other cyclists, bad mouthing his competitors frequntly, generally arrogant,

See I can make a cherry picked rant about another cyclist he supports too

 

[Forever The Best]

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Why don't you 2 answer my points instead of writing condescending posts?

Just ignore them. Your points were absolutely spot on.

I should do that indeed.

 

[del1962]

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Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.

Lot of cherry picking and distortion there

[quote="Forever The Best":lruuv625][quote="wwabbit":lruuv625]
Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his Mein Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.

:lol: When my mood is not perfect I actually know what to do: just to visit this forum, read such posts and finally can start to laugh. :lol:

Why don't you 2 answer my points instead of writing condescending posts? [/quote]

What points all I see is a rather pathetic rant[/quote]So you don't have an answer since you resort to sentences like this. [/quote]


You serioulsy dont understand what cherry picking is, and your original post was a rant

 

[BYOP88]

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Froome to win this with room to spare. He's had his *"GT off day"*.


*The one where he pretends to be sick or just having a bad day.

Not far off the mark, some extra time gained on those nearest him.

 

[Jagartrott]

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There's too much emphasis being put on the team and not on the rider.
Most GTs are won either by the strongest rider, or the 2nd strongest rider if the strongest rider's team screwed up (e.g. 2011 Vuelta, 2012 Vuelta, 2014 Tour, 2016 Vuelta).

Having a strong team simply reduces the chances of the the team screwing up.

Do you think Froome would win this Vuelta if he was the same rider, but in team Postobon?

 

[Anderis]

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There's too much emphasis being put on the team and not on the rider.
Most GTs are won either by the strongest rider, or the 2nd strongest rider if the strongest rider's team screwed up (e.g. 2011 Vuelta, 2012 Vuelta, 2014 Tour, 2016 Vuelta).

Having a strong team simply reduces the chances of the the team screwing up.

Do you think Froome would win this Vuelta if he was the same rider, but in team Postobon?

It's hard to decide. His way of riding would certainly change. He is making the best of having the strongest team in the peloton but it doesn't mean that he would fail if he was aware that his team was not going to allow him to ride like he does now. His approach to the race would have been different then.

 

[dacooley]

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I think this is why some people dislike Sky. Just wow.....

Obviously it's because people do not have the maturity to accept the results with grace and congratulate the deserving winner for a good ride when the winner beats their favorite rider.

Or perhaps that people don't like the winner because he is arrogant, boasts about animal cruelty, boasts about warning UCI over mechanical doping when Femke van Driessche gets caught, or his The Climb book (the coffee thing for example), or his whining about Contador attacking on a descent in Gap '13 or his whining about Nibali attacking in La Touissure '15 or the identity theft, or some of his statements about clinic matters.

you are completely right mate, but the real issue is that any prominent rider has the skeletals in his cupboard so the list of nasty things about pretty much whoever can be easily composed.

 

[b.broadhurst]

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I didn't see the stage.

Are Contadors comments correct? 20 riders at one stage in the peloton and 7 of them were Team Sky, that is ridiculous strength.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yeah it was correct.

But see also the last climb, at a certain point 10 riders with 3 sky.

 

[b.broadhurst]

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Yeah it was correct.

But see also the last climb, at a certain point 10 riders with 3 sky.

Where can I watch highlights?

 

[Blanco]

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That throws the cat among the pigeons! I was confident Nibali's form was coming good and Froome was on the wane, but then Froome just made that stick and put a good 15-20secs into NIbali there, makes reading what is likely to happen on the Angliru much hazier to predict!

Nibali was never going to do wonders on Angliru, heck he couldn't even follow Horner there in 2013 !

The way things are going it seems Bertie could get 2nd after Angliru...

That Horner would out climb whole field at this Vuelta with one leg! Nibali will drop Froome at Angliru, but I'm afraid it wont be enough.

 

[Red Rick]

7 in a 20 man group? That's the most ridiculous thing ever.

 

[Rollthedice]

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7 in a 20 man group? That's the most ridiculous thing ever.

Maybe Contador counted de la cruz too. But imagine if Rosa wouldn't be so crap as he is in this Vuelta, they would've been 8 or even 9!