WADA: Armstrong investigation to drop "bomb" shortly.

[JMBeaushrimp]

Are you kidding me? Did your cancer get into your brain?

I mean seriously what are you on?

This I just don't understand. What are you trying to tell me? By having cancer you can commit fraud, take a bucket load of drugs and pay bribes? Don't you ever again disrespect the disease cancer ever again. Don't you misrepresent it. You should be ashamed of yourself. As survivor as well.

I'm sorry that you were effected by cancer but don't use it to beat up on people. I didn't give it to you and certainly Armstrong isn't innocent because he had cancer. It's not a get out of jail card for being an a3sehole.

Grow up. Respect what happened to you and move on. It's not the end of the world.

And in case you're wordering before you want to beat up on me again. I watched my mother die of cancer. I watched my father survive cancer. I watched an ex-partner walk away because of cancer and my sister lose her fertility to cancer.

So man up and stop acting like a loser.

Nicely stated! The C-card getting played by the fanboys is getting a little old...

Just because someone's acting like they're doing good, doesn't excuse them from doing something f*cking rotten. Or being a d*ck...

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

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Dang, can't embed youtube...or can I?

 

[Ferminal]

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Dang, can't embed youtube...or can I?

No... unfortunately.

 

[Ferminal]

You know what, i'm gonna take real offence to that remark. How dare you make such ill informed comments, on something you know nothing of.
You hypocrite.
Lance Armstrong has always stated, since his return, that he will do all he can for the cancer community. What he is doing now, is just that.
As a cancer survivor myself, I find your comments disgusting. And as a human, tell us, what it is you do, that makes you so much better. I'll leave a small section at the bottom for your response.

As a "cancer survivor" I find much of his (Lance) approach to the issue insulting.

 

[woodburn]

Not sure about that. All we have to go on are the words of her lawyer.....who was not in the room.

As much as I hope she told the truth, if she confessed someone would have leaked it.

 

[Race Radio]

Why are you backing away from your claims?

I will offer $100 to the charity of Berzin's choice if even 3/5 of the following predictions he's made about Armstrong come true: no more hobnobbing with the rich and famous, no more paid corporate speeches, no money for his 'fake' charity, politicians will avoid him like the plague, and quite a few companies will see about recovering endorsement money they paid him.

No, I'm not giving it directly to Berzin because I want to be sure it goes to something worthwhile and this discussion, being about a game, should remain light hearted.

In addition, my previous pledges remain.

$100 to the charity of Race Radio's choice if the u.s. courts directly allow the '99 samples as evidence.

$100 to the Hog's charity choice if he's right that Lance will be proven to have run a drug network in Europe (Hog:"In this case Armstrong set up the network through Europe."), and $200 if the big three are handcuffed by the end of the year (Hog: "Levi, Hincapie, Armstrong and co. ale l think its about using dope but expect them all to be lead away in handcuffs by year out.")

Scott, yes, the stakes are low, but it's real money to a humble public servant like myself!

I don't think anyone will be handcuffed for a while.

Can you expand that to ANY samples, not just the 99 ones?

 

[stephens]

I haven't heard of any other samples or sample results being offered up. Are you theorizing that there are samples in a lab somewhere that will be subpoenaed or something and used as evidence of perjury should Lance ever claim to never have used? (i suspect he will never testify so will not be able to be caught in perjury anyway...). Seems to me that if such positive samples exist, the bigger crime would be the cover up of them by that lab or the organization that withheld the results.

 

[Race Radio]

As much as I hope she told the truth, if she confessed someone would have leaked it.

Not necessarily. Most of the time GJ testimony is kept secret. The punishment for leaking it can be quite serious.

Stephanie is free to discuss her testimony openly. The fact that she has not said anything is a good indicator of what she said in those 7 hours.

 

[Race Radio]

I haven't heard of any other samples or sample results being offered up. Are you theorizing that there are samples in a lab somewhere that will be subpoenaed or something and used as evidence of perjury should Lance ever claim to never have used? (i suspect he will never testify so will not be able to be caught in perjury anyway...). Seems to me that if such positive samples exist, the bigger crime would be the cover up of them by that lab or the organization that withheld the results.

The AFLD has offered up the many samples they have.

 

[stephens]

Well, what is their statement going to be? "Hi, we have these samples and they were positive but we never said anything because we are corrupt?" or will it be, "Hi, we have these samples and they weren't positive when we tested them, because if they were of course you'd all have heard of it by now, but hey, if you test them again maybe they'll be positive?" I'm curious....

 

[Anonymous]

Why are you backing away from your claims?

I will offer $100 to the charity of Berzin's choice if even 3/5 of the following predictions he's made about Armstrong come true: no more hobnobbing with the rich and famous, no more paid corporate speeches, no money for his 'fake' charity, politicians will avoid him like the plague, and quite a few companies will see about recovering endorsement money they paid him.

No, I'm not giving it directly to Berzin because I want to be sure it goes to something worthwhile and this discussion, being about a game, should remain light hearted.

In addition, my previous pledges remain.

$100 to the charity of Race Radio's choice if the u.s. courts directly allow the '99 samples as evidence.

$100 to the Hog's charity choice if he's right that Lance will be proven to have run a drug network in Europe (Hog:"In this case Armstrong set up the network through Europe."), and $200 if the big three are handcuffed by the end of the year (Hog: "Levi, Hincapie, Armstrong and co. ale l think its about using dope but expect them all to be lead away in handcuffs by year out.")

Scott, yes, the stakes are low, but it's real money to a humble public servant like myself!

Will you be donating to the Armstrong Fairness Fund?

 

[Anonymous]

Something are beyond just "fail" as Moose posted. Racist comments like those posted are beyond any form of jest, and not funny.

Several posts have been deleted by Barrus and myself, infractions and bans have been handed out. Next person to make a bigoted or racist comment, regardless of how funny they think it is, will receive a long ban. You have all been warned.

There is 5 dopers in a Cadillac. They drive off the Grand Canyon.
What is sad about this story?
- A Cadilac seats 6.

 

[Mich78BEL]

There is 5 dopers in a Cadillac. They drive off the Grand Canyon.
What is sad about this story?
- A Cadilac seats 6.

lame, you do realize a significant % (no idea how high) of cyclists have doped at some point in there career, yes they should receive suspensions for what they did, a just sanction, nothing more nothing less, everybody can make mistakes

 

[WonderLance]

There is 5 dopers in a Cadillac. They drive off the Grand Canyon.
What is sad about this story?
- A Cadilac seats 6.

you are right. dopers are all bad people and they are runing cycling. Lucky there are only a few of them and all the riders you like dont dope.

 

[SpartacusRox]

You should change your handle to Rev. Sun Myung Moon. You sound like you're trying to recruit people to your cult.

The difference between you and I is that when your mancrush is exposed you will have nothing to enjoy about the sport of cycling because there will be nothing left for you to enjoy.

Pathetic.

Hey Spartacus-get over yourself. A hero ain't nothin' but a sandwich.

Yeah well Lance has 7.5 Million in the bank from the last time that WADA took him on. Guess he has a right to feel confident.

Armstrong isn't my hero, I just don't like idle speculation and this forum is rife with it. We will see who is laughing in a few months

 

[SpartacusRox]

Well, what is their statement going to be? "Hi, we have these samples and they were positive but we never said anything because we are corrupt?" or will it be, "Hi, we have these samples and they weren't positive when we tested them, because if they were of course you'd all have heard of it by now, but hey, if you test them again maybe they'll be positive?" I'm curious....

You have to realise that RR and other on here have a vested emotional interest in clinging to the hope that Armstrong will be brought down. I agree entirely with you regarding the samples. The protocols under which the Ashenden tests were conducted have already been dismissed by an independent panel so they are a non event regardless of whether an attempt is made to produce them as evidence. The second point of course is that RR, Hog and others have no idea what the actual thrust of the Federal investigation will be at the end of the day. It is very unlikely that Armstrong will be indicted of anything, even under the ridiculously one sided joke that is a GJ process. Thirdly most of the so called star witnesses such as Betsy Andreu and Lemond have already been exposed as unreliable at previous hearings and that is just going by the few transcripts that are in the public arena. I imagine it is even worse if one had the whole evidence to read as the Feds do.

 

[SpartacusRox]

2009 was arguably his most lucrative year of his career - without salary from Astana.

Perhaps the Lance fan can do the math for the rest of us.

Have another beer Cal, your rambling even more than usual.

 

[Anonymous]

Have another beer Cal, your rambling even more than usual.

I dunno Sparty. Three posts in a row defending the object of your affection and you say I'm rambling.

Project much?

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah well Lance has 7.5 Million in the bank from the last time that WADA took him on. Guess he has a right to feel confident.

Armstrong isn't my hero, I just don't like idle speculation and this forum is rife with it. We will see who is laughing in a few months

The problem is that your characterization of the evidence against Mr Armstrong is so ignorant and purposefully shallow that it is laughable that you are anything but a fanboy. Sure he isn't your hero. I have some bad news, even if you keep telling yourself that one day you will be president, you will never be president.

 

[Race Radio]

Yeah well Lance has 7.5 Million in the bank from the last time that WADA took him on. Guess he has a right to feel confident.

Armstrong isn't my hero, I just don't like idle speculation and this forum is rife with it. We will see who is laughing in a few months

Yet another invention by Roxy. Your desperation is more obvious everyday.

 

[Anonymous]

Yet another invention by Roxy. Your desperation is more obvious everyday.

Yup. A civil award won in a tussle with an insurance company and somehow LA crushed WADA.

Dude's on some good meds, gotta give him that.

 

[HoustonHammer]

It is very unlikely that Armstrong will be indicted of anything, even under the ridiculously one sided joke that is a GJ process.

I have zero insight into whether or not your guy will be indicted. But why is the grand jury process a joke? You know it's more or less meant to be one-sided, right?

 

[Tubeless]

You have to realise that RR and other on here have a vested emotional interest in clinging to the hope that Armstrong will be brought down. I agree entirely with you regarding the samples. The protocols under which the Ashenden tests were conducted have already been dismissed by an independent panel so they are a non event regardless of whether an attempt is made to produce them as evidence. The second point of course is that RR, Hog and others have no idea what the actual thrust of the Federal investigation will be at the end of the day. It is very unlikely that Armstrong will be indicted of anything, even under the ridiculously one sided joke that is a GJ process. Thirdly most of the so called star witnesses such as Betsy Andreu and Lemond have already been exposed as unreliable at previous hearings and that is just going by the few transcripts that are in the public arena. I imagine it is even worse if one had the whole evidence to read as the Feds do.

Well, Armstrong has already been brought down to a larger extent than ever before where it counts for cycling - in court of public opinion.

But Zeta Interactive, a marketing firm that tracks looks online to see how people are being viewed, found Armstrong has fallen far from his perch as one of the most popular athletes the agency has ever tracked.

Zeta measured Armstrong at 92 percent popularity in 2008, and he was at 86 percent in July before the start of his final Tour de France. That number dropped to 51 percent in August when the federal investigation ramped up and has bumped only slightly to 55 percent in recent weeks.

"He's flirting with 50-50," said Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido. "For someone trying to build themself as a brand, that's not a good place to be."

You'll find that most of us don't care whether he'll be brought out in handcuffs, we're simply interested in the lies and the cheating to be exposed.

Given the wide-spead publicity, the prosecutors are now extremely motivated to bring some sort of an indictment - if they don't, it will indeed end up being a "waste of taxpayer monies". In that sense the Armstong camp's defense blaming a "witch hunt" has been counter-productive to their efforts to try to stop the investigation. The public comments by Howman suggest there's more substance there than you'd like to admit.

If you're hoping for no indictment at all, you're likely to be dissapointed. The legal process that follows will be long and complicated - and probably will result in no jail time to the accused. But, the truth will come out with more clarity and proof than ever before - and that's a form of justice regardless of the eventual penalties handed out.

 

[scribe]

I have zero insight into whether or not your guy will be indicted. But why is the grand jury process a joke? You know it's more or less meant to be one-sided, right?

There is no chance Armstrong comes out of this process without some kind of indictment. It's just a matter of what. All this effort will not come to pass lightly.

 

[HoustonHammer]

There is no chance Armstrong comes out of this process without some kind of indictment. It's just a matter of what. All this effort will not come to pass lightly.

I haven't looked too hard at all this Novitzky stuff because I frankly don't care. But I tend to agree that a big effort like this usually only gets mobilized when there's a bit target. In this case it certainly looks like that target is SpartacusRox's hero.