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what are you talking about, robert ? did you read your own article ?

the wada panel that traveled to moscow is saying they dont have any problems nor restrictions so far. under the 'news' you posted there is nothing to appeal yet.

to remind, in essence, the wada is interested in the moscow lab data base of the past years tests on russian athletes that might or might not shed light on the data base that rodchekov snicked out when he ran away. according to that rodchenkov's data many more were doping than the mc laren report covered.

there are only 2 simple scenarios here:
1. the russians managed to counterfeit the data while the delay was on.
2. there were real technical issues made public earlier (but of course never elucidated in western media) that made the delay an objective occurance. poor robert, was denied the opportunity to bot-link those reasons since the 'free and independent' media ignored them.

we just have to wait. if the russians faked and forged, i very much doubt it will go unnoticed and w/o the grave consequences for their sporting machine.

but presenting the story the way i just did just does not jive with the devils we all know they should be.

to balance out the transparent political bias and the irrelevance of the X number of adas demands, if reported as neutral news, it should have been mixing in that some high wada official already addressed the delay acceptability vs the results the wada is after that and the delay was in part wada's own fault being not fully prepared in december.

again, but such a reporting is making the predesignated villain less of a devil. unthinkable.
Call me a cynic but TASS throwing some quote marks round some words doesn't mean they've actually been said.
 
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python said:
what are you talking about, robert ? did you read your own article ?

the wada panel that traveled to moscow is saying they dont have any problems nor restrictions so far. under the 'news' you posted there is nothing to appeal yet.

to remind, in essence, the wada is interested in the moscow lab data base of the past years tests on russian athletes that might or might not shed light on the data base that rodchekov snicked out when he ran away. according to that rodchenkov's data many more were doping than the mc laren report covered.

there are only 2 simple scenarios here:
1. the russians managed to counterfeit the data while the delay was on.
2. there were real technical issues made public earlier (but of course never elucidated in western media) that made the delay an objective occurance. poor robert, was denied the opportunity to bot-link those reasons since the 'free and independent' media ignored them.

we just have to wait. if the russians faked and forged, i very much doubt it will go unnoticed and w/o the grave consequences for their sporting machine.

but presenting the story the way i just did just does not jive with the devils we all know they should be.

to balance out the transparent political bias and the irrelevance of the X number of adas demands, if reported as neutral news, it should have been mixing in that some high wada official already addressed the delay acceptability vs the results the wada is after that and the delay was in part wada's own fault being not fully prepared in december.

again, but such a reporting is making the predesignated villain less of a devil. unthinkable.
Call me a cynic but TASS throwing some quote marks round some words doesn't mean they've actually been said.
i will not call you a cynic but someone with your own biases to which you are perfectly entitled to.

the article, if it does not trust or has no ability to verify some alleged wada quote, could simply refer to so and so, according to such and such source said this and that. . done all the time, by the sources less interested in putting out their own versions or spinning.

it firmly throws both sides into a) confirming b) denying c) 'no comments'... none i am aware of. but i do not pretend to read everything except trying to think a tad beyond the box.

but again, if your brain is per-conditioned, you are not likely to be interested in the elementary and obvious or objective media steps. i dont trust everything sputnik or the bbc report. that's why i try to read the alternatives often in a language unavailable to an english speaker. sorry for multiple corrections of my typos. i am a poor english typist.
 
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here is the reuters article in the 'original' english that speaks to the same issue the tass article posted by robert did.

not wishing to tire folks with long quotes, I'll leave it to the individuals to read.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-wada-russia/wada-will-not-get-report-until-team-out-of-russia-idUSKCN1PA04I

a comment from me...
according to the words of the wada own director, 'everything seems to move in the right direction' in moscow. that's not just quoting the russkie tass but oliver niggli himself speaking in his native english. the article referred to the safety concerns, but failed to elaborate what that meant... the physical safety of the members or the data safety ???
the article, as is usual in the west, 1st made some murky insinuations at the very 1st sentence, than admitted that wada would not elaborate what the safety concern entailed (direct quote: 'WADA would not elaborate on what safety concerns they have but they were enough to trigger a change in plans). perhaps, that the 1st admission that the the delay with the arrival of the 3-man team in moscow before 31 december, was in part the wada's own doing ? the russian version of the delay is that the data base is currently under the local court supervision (due a criminal case) and that the proper legal provisions where needed to formally turn it over to wada. they also claimed the wada team not having the properly certified/approved equipment prior to 31 december. i am guessing it was about the wada computer gear (scanners, laptops etc) they brought along. i also suspect the wada had insisted on bringing a special equipment to help them uncover fakes and forgeries. perhaps THAT caused some delays too. the demands by the 'defenders of clean sports' to automatically punish the evil russians for the delays suddenly dont look all that well argumented.
 
The WADA press release from Jan 7 had this -
WADA President Sir Craig Reedie said: “While WADA is obliged under the ISCCS to give every opportunity to RUSADA, we are continuing to act on the basis of the 31 December deadline having been missed,
so my comment about RUSADA being punished and being able to appeal to CAS refered to whatever WADA does because of the missed deadline.

As WADA seems to want RUSADA back in the fold, I'm betting on no action.
 
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as pointed in my post above your quote is outdated and therefore worthless. why? b/c there was a later statement by the wada director Niggli about what would constitute wada action. also, apparently, since as we type there is a 3-man team working in moscow (hellow, it is 17 January, not 31 december), any references to 31 december are not just outdated, but worthless. use common sense - if the basis was fixed in the past, no one would spend money to still work in january.

you clinging to a worthless statement and flooding the forum with such indicates where you'd like the wada decision to go. current signals from wada indicated you may be disappointed.

the missed date, as explained above and indirectly confirmed by niggli, was in part the wada's own plan change. out of some wada concern for safety. again, a highly prejudiced, politicized view in stead of a nuanced one :rolleyes:
 
Don't jump all over me! Reedie went out and said, "we are continuing to act on the basis of the 31 December deadline having been missed,"

Maybe Niggli should talk to friggin' Reedie and ask about WADA's own plan change.
 
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i was only highlighting your stubborn clinging to a position that's obviously outdated and thus worthless. time and evidence was contributed to the explanation. but you prefer to cut and paste links all over that you seem neither read nor understand....

perhaps you are just an incurable russophobe who will read (and flood the forum) with whatever fits that fancy.

you need not worry about the 2 wada top dudes talking to each other. they certainly do. and when one said something that did not fit your prejudice, you just cling to the one who said what you WANT to happen. keep pasting...
 
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2019-01/wada-successfully-retrieves-data-from-moscow-laboratory
A three-person World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) expert team has successfully retrieved the data from the Laboratory Information Management System (LIMS) and the underlying analytical data generated by the former Moscow Laboratory in Russia.

The data are crucial to build strong cases against cheats and exonerate other athletes suspected of having participated in widespread doping on the basis of previous WADA-commissioned investigations led by Richard W. Pound and Professor Richard H. McLaren. The data has been retrieved from the laboratory’s various servers, instruments, computers and other electronic equipment. This information has now been transported out of Russia for authentication and detailed analysis by the Agency.
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WADA President Sir Craig Reedie said: “This is a major breakthrough for clean sport. It shows we are continuing to make real progress that simply would not have happened without the 20 September ExCo decision. The first phase of the three-phase process outlined by that decision is now complete. The long impasse around access to the former Moscow Laboratory has been broken and that is significantly good news.

“WADA now embarks on the second phase, which entails the authentication and review of the data to ensure it is complete and that it has not been compromised. Given the amount of data, that will take some time to achieve but our experts have the tools they need to be able to verify the data with a high degree of confidence.

“Once the data have been authenticated, we will be in a position to proceed to the third phase and support the various sports and other anti-doping organizations concerned to build strong cases against athletes who doped and, as part of that, ensure that certain samples that are still stored in the Moscow Laboratory are re-analyzed in an accredited laboratory no later than 30 June 2019.”
see also http://tass.com/sport/1040590
 
https://au.news.yahoo.com/moscow-data-could-expose-300-600-doping-cases-230645546--spt.html?guccounter=1
Richard McLaren, the Canadian lawyer whose 2016 bombshell report exposed state-sponsored doping in Russia, suspects "hundreds" of doping cases could be contained in the latest data retrieved from Moscow.

On Thursday, WADA said they had "successfully retrieved" data from the Moscow laboratory at the heart of the affair.

"It's pretty much anyone's guess as to what that number is," McLaren said when asked how many doping cases he expected the new data to reveal.

"My thinking would be in the 300-600 possible range."
That's a lot of positives if correct - time will tell.
 
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2019-01/wada-executive-committee-endorses-crc-recommendation-to-continue-applying
Today, the Executive Committee (ExCo) of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) decided to continue applying the conditions outlined in its 20 September 2018 decision that the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) must fulfill to maintain compliance with the World Anti-Doping Code (Code), after endorsing a recommendation of WADA’s independent Compliance Review Committee (CRC) during an ExCo meeting held by conference call.

The CRC’s recommendation was noted and endorsed without dissent by the 11 members of ExCo who were on the call. Vice-President Linda Helleland noted for the record that she maintained her position from September that RUSADA should have been asserted as non-compliant until the process was complete.
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During its meeting today, the ExCo considered the report from the CRC on progress against the first two reinstatement conditions. In short, the compliance audit was conducted on 11-12 December 2018 and the results were very positive. However, the data were not received by 31 December 2018. Usually, a Code Signatory is then given at least three months to correct that non-conformity before referral to the CRC, but in this case WADA followed the special fast-track procedure in Article 9.5 of the International Standard for Code Compliance by Signatories (ISCCS), referring the matter to the CRC immediately.

This was promptly followed by full cooperation by the Russian authorities, as a result of which an expert team (comprised of an independent forensic IT expert supported by two WADA staff) was given full access to the Moscow Laboratory and was able to make forensic images of all of the data from the laboratory instruments, from the back-up hard drives on the server, and from the separate LIMS database. The team also took forensic images of further data, including metadata, that will assist in the next phase of the process, during which WADA’s Intelligence and Investigations (I&I) Department, in cooperation with independent data forensic experts, will seek to confirm the authenticity of the data. This second phase may take two to three months.

Upon confirmation of authenticity, WADA will use the data to determine which athletes have cases to answer for breach of the anti-doping rules and will pass those files on to the relevant International Sports Federations (IFs) to bring the cases forward, while the Agency will keep its independent right to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport any IF decision not to take a case forward.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-russia/wada-opts-not-to-suspend-russian-anti-doping-agency-idUSKCN1PG1YU
While under intense pressure from athletes and anti-doping associations to take a hard line on Russia for dragging its feet, WADA’s Compliance Review Committee (CRC) decided RUSADA would not be treated any differently than other members and ruled against sanctions.

“In the usual case the signatory would be given three months to correct,” said Jonathan Taylor, chair of the CRC during a conference call.

“The CRC considered whether it should recommend any sanction for the late compliance but in light of the international standards that says signatories should be given opportunities to comply, including at the last moment before the meeting takes place, it was decided this case should be treated the same as others.

“RUSADA should receive the same treatment as other signatories receive, so therefore there is no recommendation for punishment.”
No punishment for the missed deadline of Dec 31 (in fact RUSADA had until March 31 according to Taylor to allow WADA's team access to the data).
 
As an interesting aside to the ongoing RUSADA's problems -
https://www.axios.com/russia-is-paranoid-about-propaganda-89a22df5-3bcd-4363-bf20-aa2c7c7e65c5.html
Before the 2016 election, Western nations' worst cyberattack nightmare involved sabotage of the electric grid. Meanwhile, the top digital fear among Russians was propaganda campaigns, according to Lincoln Pigman, an Oxford postgraduate researcher who studies the history of Moscow's political posture on cybersecurity.

Why it matters: The idea for the online information campaign that rolled out against the U.S. in 2016 wasn't a stroke of genius out of nowhere. In many ways, it was Russia's worst fears manifest into a weapon.

In fact, the post-mortem of campaign hacking compiled by United States intelligence agencies determined that one of the reasons for the attack was Russian President Vladimir Putin's belief that the U.S. had orchestrated "the Panama Papers disclosure and the Olympic doping scandal as US-directed efforts to defame Russia."
 
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2019-03/wada-update-on-progress-regarding-moscow-laboratory-data
Following January’s mission, which saw a three-person World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) expert team successfully retrieve the analytical data generated by the former Moscow Laboratory in Russia, WADA is pleased to provide an update on progress made so far during the data authentication stage of the process.

The lengthy process of uploading approximately 24 terabytes of information, forensically indexing it and pairing it to the various instruments, servers, hard drives, computers and other electronic equipment from the laboratory is complete*. WADA’s experts, with the support of external forensic experts, will now be able to start assessing the data in more detail to ensure it is complete and authentic. As previously indicated, the entire uploading and authentication process is estimated to take two-three months to complete.

WADA Director of Intelligence and Investigations Gunter Younger, who is leading the process, said: “This is a huge undertaking involving more than 1.5 million files, but we continue to make good progress. Essentially, what we have done is to re-create the Moscow Laboratory in a virtual sense, allowing us to pair the various data with their respective instruments so that we can ensure what we have is complete, accurate and has not been tampered with.”

The data are crucial to build strong cases against cheats and exonerate other athletes suspected of having participated in widespread doping on the basis of previous WADA-commissioned investigations led by Richard Pound and Prof. Richard McLaren.

Gunter Younger added: “Although this is a massive challenge, we are confident we will be able to tell if anything is missing or not as it should be. Once we are satisfied that the data are authentic, we will be in a position to proceed to the next phase and support the various sports and other anti-doping organizations to bring cases against those who cheated.”
 
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Robert5091 said:
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2019-03/wada-update-on-progress-regarding-moscow-laboratory-data
Following January’s mission, which saw a three-person World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) expert team successfully retrieve the analytical data generated by the former Moscow Laboratory in Russia, WADA is pleased to provide an update on progress made so far during the data authentication stage of the process.

The lengthy process of uploading approximately 24 terabytes of information, forensically indexing it and pairing it to the various instruments, servers, hard drives, computers and other electronic equipment from the laboratory is complete*. WADA’s experts, with the support of external forensic experts, will now be able to start assessing the data in more detail to ensure it is complete and authentic. As previously indicated, the entire uploading and authentication process is estimated to take two-three months to complete.

WADA Director of Intelligence and Investigations Gunter Younger, who is leading the process, said: “This is a huge undertaking involving more than 1.5 million files, but we continue to make good progress. Essentially, what we have done is to re-create the Moscow Laboratory in a virtual sense, allowing us to pair the various data with their respective instruments so that we can ensure what we have is complete, accurate and has not been tampered with.”

The data are crucial to build strong cases against cheats and exonerate other athletes suspected of having participated in widespread doping on the basis of previous WADA-commissioned investigations led by Richard Pound and Prof. Richard McLaren.

Gunter Younger added: “Although this is a massive challenge, we are confident we will be able to tell if anything is missing or not as it should be. Once we are satisfied that the data are authentic, we will be in a position to proceed to the next phase and support the various sports and other anti-doping organizations to bring cases against those who cheated.”
McLaren was already debunked. What else are they looking for now? Maybe they'll find Jimmy Hoffa in Moscow?
 
Relevant to WADA's work with the Moscow data -
http://tass.com/sport/1047556
The International Association of Athletic Federations (IAAF) will deliver a report on the issue of the All-Russia Athletics Federation’s (RusAF) membership reinstatement during the Council’s session on March 10-11 in Doha, the IAAF announced to TASS on Tuesday.

On January 22, the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) Executive Committee (ExCo) held a conference call and, based on the recommendations provided by the agency’s Compliance and Review Committee (CRC), ruled to uphold the compliance status of RUSADA (Russian Anti-Doping Agency). This decision helped to settle a number of requirements set by the IAAF for RusAF’s membership reinstatement.

Sports Integrity Initiative web portal reported on in late January citing its source in the IAAF that the global body of track and field athletics was unlikely to recommend at its Council meeting in March the membership reinstatement of the RusAF.

The IAAF Council decided at its session on December 4, 2018 in Monaco to extend the membership suspension of the RusAF citing a number of criteria, which were still needed to be implemented by the Russian side.

The world’s governing body of track and field athletics suspended RusAF’s membership in late 2015 following a wave of anti-doping rules violations and put forward a host of criteria, which the Russian ruling body of track and field sports was obliged to implement in order to restore its membership in the global federation.
 
On top of "other" problems -
http://tass.com/society/1053582
Moscow police have opened a criminal case to investigate embezzlement of one million rubles ($15,500) at RUSADA, the Moscow police press service told TASS.
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"Pursuing a goal of grand embezzlement of budget funds under the pretext of paying, under an agreement concluded with a Russian company, for the equipment required to collect biological samples to test athletes for doping and for other consumables, [they] transferred money as a payment for the ordered overpriced equipment, thereby causing damage amounting to more than one million rubles," the spokesperson said.
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According to the spokesperson, the investigators established that unidentified persons from the staff of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) embezzled funds between March 2011 and December 20, 2014.
 
298 !! Wow.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2019-07/wada-provides-international-federations-with-first-batch-of-cases-in-russia
Since WADA Intelligence and Investigations’ (I&I’s) successful missions to Russia in January and April to retrieve a copy of the Laboratory Information Management System (LIMS), associated raw data and samples from the former Moscow Laboratory, WADA I&I has continued validating the data and has begun compiling strong evidence against those who are believed to have cheated.

The raw data are the result of sample analysis and indicate whether a substance or metabolite was detected. In an anti-doping case, raw data provide the most compelling evidence and are superior in that regard to LIMS data*. This is why WADA’s ExCo placed such importance on accessing the raw data, making sure that was a critical condition of its September 2018 decision.

From the data, WADA I&I has identified a target pool of 298 athletes (representing 578 samples) with the most suspicious data.

WADA confirms that the relevant IF(International Federations)s’ results management process has begun. To date, of those 298 athletes identified by WADA I&I, the data of 43 athletes (150 samples) have been reviewed and evidentiary packages compiled. These packages have now been sent to the relevant IFs, which have commenced assessment of the evidence with a view to identifying those cases to take forward as Anti-Doping Rule Violations (ADRVs). Assessment will include review of the raw data by laboratory experts, which will take some time. In the near future, WADA aims to provide more packages to the relevant IFs. It is estimated that by the end of 2019, all priority cases will have been investigated by WADA.
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In addition to and separate from the evidentiary packages, WADA I&I has commenced a targeted re-analysis program of samples removed from Moscow. Already, three Adverse Analytical Findings (AAFs) have been identified and reported. In collaboration with WADA I&I, RUSADA has notified the athletes and progressed ADRVs. The commitment and assistance of RUSADA throughout this process has been invaluable.

Furthermore, on 18 June 2019, WADA I&I met with the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) of the IAAF and provided it with the LIMS and raw data for relevant athletes, including those who are part of WADA I&I’s target pool. An estimated 500 gigabytes of data were provided to the AIU. Following a formal handover from WADA I&I, the AIU will now take the lead and review this information with a view to identifying ADRVs.

While much has been achieved since the data and samples were retrieved, a lot of highly technical and protracted work remains in collaboration with leading experts in digital forensics. This includes examining some differences identified between the LIMS database provided by a whistleblower in October 2017 and the version WADA I&I removed from the laboratory in January 2019, and any impact that these may have on bringing cases forward.
 
What role does WADA play in the world of sport? Their role is to administer or help administer doping tests, to educate or help educate Olympic sanctioned events, organizers, athletes, coaches and national organizations that fall under the Olympic code. They can't be judge, jury and executioner. Not only that, but they have no jurisdiction in UEFA, FIFA and other non Olympic related events run by non Olympic organizations. Suggesting that Russia or any country should be banned is outside their purview.

If you notice, it's been the same actors pushing for more stories/bans like this: the NYT, the Daily Mail, ARD and the authorities of the countries where those media conglomerates are based out of: The US, UK and Germany. They've been calling for a complete ban on Russia for years now. When CAS cleared the vast majority of Russian athletes that were 'alleged' to have doped in Sochi, these countries were still yapping away and calling for the reformations of CAS. Before that, they had no issues with CAS. They had no issues with WADA before 2015. Then they criticized WADA for not being effective. Then they criticized the IOC for not banning Russia from the Olympics in 2016. Then they blamed the individual organizations like FIS, IBU, FINA, IBSF, FIBA, FIVB, etc for letting Russians compete, even when those organizations were given the right to make their own decisions in whether or not they will ban Russian athletes (or give out whatever punishment they saw fit). So they or only not happy if the Russians (no matter if they have a history of doping or not) are allowed to compete.

Notice who funds WADA the most: the US and the UK. The US and Travis Tygart hand out so many bogus TUE's and clear their athletes when they miss tests and when they give lame excuses for failed doping tests. It's an absolute joke. It's hypocrisy on full display. If USADA, Tygart and WADA are so concerned about doping and so concerned about what non-Olympic sanctioned sports do or don't do, why don't they get involved in the MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL? Plenty of doping there. But I already know what their response would be..."Yes, but look at Russia, Putin, government sponsored doping stealing medals from honest athletes, they are evil, ban them, ban them, loud noises!!!"
 
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