Walsh Says..................?

[the delgados]

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ASO dont care much for doping. If it affected viewing figures then maybe they would do something about it. Heck Festina are using Virenque to flog watches on TV during the Tour. That tells us all we need to know about the money men. Lots will continue to watch now to see if any more mutant attacks happen.....The 2012 TdF was a snore fest. Sky repeated it in 2013 and now again in 2015. Does ASO care? Nope would be my guess. They work with the figures that mean money. The race itself is really inconsequential as long as it continues day after day. The doping is all part of the fabric for ASO.[/quo

Agree, of course. But you must agree that they started sweating a bit when they saw one French hope after another getting dropped like cat 4's mid way up the first frigging mountain in the 2015 Tour.

 

[Benotti69]

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Agree, of course. But you must agree that they started sweating a bit when they saw one French hope after another getting dropped like cat 4's mid way up the first frigging mountain in the 2015 Tour.

Yes, but ASO have politicians in their back pockets. The TdF is the biggest ad for French Tourism ever and I bet ASO get a big wad of EUROs from the French for it.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

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p.s. Benotti:
Forgot to mention that I often take a different angle on where you're coming from, one thing I've always agreed with is your stance regarding JV.
Seems to me he's always tried to beat Lance at his own game, but in an even more conniving way. JV is smart; Lance isn't stupid, but he was always thinking about himself.
Anyway point being is the current structure is in my opinion not entirely sustainable.
I get your reference to wrestling, but how many parents encourage their kids to become pro wrestlers?
In order to maintain a sport whereby you've got parents encouraging their kids coming up the system, you need to at least maintain the impression that's it done on the up and up. You can't have scenes like we saw today and are likely to see during the rest of the Tour.

JV is more than smart he is devious.

Well the Yanks have more than enough wanting to be pro wrestlers, half the population would do anythign to get on tv.

You just have to look at the sport of rugby(union) and its rise in popularity (espcially in Ireland) and the kids being told to bulk up if they want to do well. Major problem, but parents are pushing their kids and are part of the problem.

I remember in Italy in 2011 seeing a 10/11/12 year old out training on his bike while an adult (his Dad i presumed) rode on a scooter just behind, during school hours.

Were the kids .doped?

 

[the delgados]

Re: Re:

Agree, of course. But you must agree that they started sweating a bit when they saw one French hope after another getting dropped like cat 4's mid way up the first frigging mountain in the 2015 Tour.

Yes, but ASO have politicians in their back pockets. The TdF is the biggest ad for French Tourism ever and I bet ASO get a big wad of EUROs from the French for it.

Ok, fair enough. But that goes back to my point: The problem isn't the Walshes or ASo's of the world. The problem is within the sport itself.
I'm willing to bet there were a lot of humiliated team leaders being dropped today who were wondering just what the eff happened on the first day in the mountains.
My point being is the riders should form a union and get together with sport administrators to figure this thing out.

 

[Benotti69]

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p.s. Benotti:
Forgot to mention that I often take a different angle on where you're coming from, one thing I've always agreed with is your stance regarding JV.
Seems to me he's always tried to beat Lance at his own game, but in an even more conniving way. JV is smart; Lance isn't stupid, but he was always thinking about himself.
Anyway point being is the current structure is in my opinion not entirely sustainable.
I get your reference to wrestling, but how many parents encourage their kids to become pro wrestlers?
In order to maintain a sport whereby you've got parents encouraging their kids coming up the system, you need to at least maintain the impression that's it done on the up and up. You can't have scenes like we saw today and are likely to see during the rest of the Tour.

JV is more than smart he is devious.

Well the Yanks have more than enough wanting to be pro wrestlers, half the population would do anythign to get on tv.

You just have to look at the sport of rugby(union) and its rise in popularity (espcially in Ireland) and the kids being told to bulk up if they want to do well. Major problem, but parents are pushing their kids and are part of the problem.

I remember in Italy in 2011 seeing a 10/11/12 year old out training on his bike while an adult (his Dad i presumed) rode on a scooter just behind, during school hours.

Were the kids .doped?

The rugby kids are all doing creatine and other protein shakes. Not a fan of Rugby.

 

[carton]

After cooling down a bit, I've come to think Walsh has a point. A flat run in to the finish and to the stage should be more about total watts, it should hurt the true mountain goats harder. And given that it's the first mountain stage coming off a rest day, it was more about sheer power than recovery/endurance. Heck Tony Gallopin got a top-10 on the day.

https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/status/620864822226362368

If Plateau de Beille sees Froome take a minute from Quintana all bets are off.

 

[hfer07]

Re: Walsh blames it on the climb.

Walsh should have blamed Il Mortirolo during Il Giro for not permitting Aru to win the race

 

[Happy dude]

Walsh can not say anything bad, or else byebye job

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

After cooling down a bit, I've come to think Walsh has a point. A flat run in to the finish and to the stage should be more about total watts, it should hurt the true mountain goats harder. And given that it's the first mountain stage coming off a rest day, it was more about sheer power than recovery/endurance. Heck Tony Gallopin got a top-10 on the day.

https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/status/620864822226362368

If Plateau de Beille sees Froome take a minute from Quintana all bets are off.

All bets were off when he transformed before Vuelta'11 and Sky had an alien on their hands.

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Re:

After cooling down a bit, I've come to think Walsh has a point. A flat run in to the finish and to the stage should be more about total watts, it should hurt the true mountain goats harder. And given that it's the first mountain stage coming off a rest day, it was more about sheer power than recovery/endurance. Heck Tony Gallopin got a top-10 on the day.

https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/status/620864822226362368

If Plateau de Beille sees Froome take a minute from Quintana all bets are off.

All bets were off when he transformed before Vuelta'11 and Sky had an alien on their hands.

I still find it bizarre that a few weeks before the Vuelta, he was getting his a$$ handed to him in Poland.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I have learned to take everything that comes out of the keyboard of that keyboard warrior with a buckload of salt.

 

[MarkvW]

Walsh suffered without access for so long. Now he has access like Phil Liggett had with Lawnce. He should be so happy!

 

[the delgados]

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I have learned to take everything that comes out of the keyboard of that keyboard warrior with a buckload of salt.

As you should!
That said, how else are we to communicate? Smoke signals is pretty much out of the question.
p.s. sniper, if you're out there, sorry for mistaking your for sceptic. I obviously was not paying proper attention.

 

[Benotti69]

David Walsh has become PR master for Sky. he was on bbc5live calling other teams preparations for the TdF 'amateurish'!!!!

Wow!!!

@mattslaterbbc 26s26 seconds ago

Interesting comment from @DavidWalshST on @bbc5live about Team Sky's rivals being 'amateurish' in their preparations for #tdf....

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

After cooling down a bit, I've come to think Walsh has a point. A flat run in to the finish and to the stage should be more about total watts, it should hurt the true mountain goats harder. And given that it's the first mountain stage coming off a rest day, it was more about sheer power than recovery/endurance. Heck Tony Gallopin got a top-10 on the day.

https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/status/620864822226362368

If Plateau de Beille sees Froome take a minute from Quintana all bets are off.

Froome claims to have always been a mountain goat. Why would such a finish therefore benefit him more?

 

[Saint Unix]

Well, I think it was pretty obvious yesterday that the other teams are not doing (i.e. taking) what it takes to win.

 

[carton]

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Froome claims to have always been a mountain goat. Why would such a finish therefore benefit him more?

Mountain goats in my glossary (or bibliography, in clinic jargon) are the smaller lither climbers. They actually look like goats when climbing mountains on a bike. I'm thinking of Pantani, Gaul, Purito, Bartali, Zoetemelk, Quintana, et al. Alberto barely qualifies. A little too tall, too much of a time-trialler. But I'l make an exception for him and the 5'10", 56kg Bahamontes.

My point was that assuming similar W/kg, the smaller riders would have to push themselves more in order to maintain the high pace we've seen on the flats. Particularly given that even the aero advantage due to their smaller surface area on flats would be significantly nullified riding in the bunch, since the heads of state have rarely, if ever, spent time on the front (except for, for whatever reason, Vincezo). On a more up and down stage that advantage would be reduced, and theoretically they'd get to the final climb with similar levels of exertion. If that theory has a bit of truth in it we might expect to see Quintana stay a little closer to Froome tomorrow than he managed yesterday.

 

[Miburo]

Walsh says other teams are amateurs and they're hopeless

Wasn't that one of the arguments the LA camp used to have?

 

[Benotti69]

*** the hypocrisy ‏@Digger_forum 2 hours ago
Steven de jongh, DS with tinkoff, gives the Walsh 'amateur' line the seriousness it deserves.


Steven de jongh @stevendejongh
@Digger_forum @marcopinotti he doesn't know we stopped with Nutella?

Walsh has gone 'postal'.........

 

[Saint Unix]

At this point it's better for Sky if Walsh just shuts up.

 

[Benotti69]

Geraint Thomas using that other fan with a typewriter Fotheringham to lay all the balme at Armstrong's door!

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/15/chris-froome-lance-armstrong-geraint-thomas-tour-de-france

Geraint Thomas has said that he and his fellow Tour de France riders are still “paying the price” for Lance Armstrong’s crimes as his Team Sky leader, Chris Froome, was again put on the defensive with the release of new video material on Wednesday.

oh puleeease.....

 

[Miburo]

Where's that thomas/armstrong vid?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Another Walsh thread.......yawwwwnnnnn Mirburo, add a poll while you are at it

 

[LaFlorecita]

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**** the hypocrisy ‏@Digger_forum 2 hours ago
Steven de jongh, DS with tinkoff, gives the Walsh 'amateur' line the seriousness it deserves.


Steven de jongh @stevendejongh
@Digger_forum @marcopinotti he doesn't know we stopped with Nutella?

Walsh has gone 'postal'.........

Go Steven

 

[BYOP88]

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Where's that thomas/armstrong vid?

Yes this. Someone must have a copy of that video.