Weight loss? Whats better cycling or running?

[CoachFergie]

IME LSD = more hunger binges for me while HIIT leaves me feeling energized and empowered and I have less desire to eat. YMMV.

 

[durianrider]

One should be able to eat all one cares for and stay slim all year long. If you bulge out longterm, you are simply eating the wrong things.

No animal in nature has to calorie restrict to stay slim. Never seen a fat wild deer or shark. Nor fruit bat.

I stay slim no matter what training Im doing as I always eat the same healthy tasty meals that are high in carbs, low in fat, protein and sodium. Its not genetic as my oldest brother is 30kg of excess more than myself and my Mum has bigger arms than my quads.

 

[elapid]

One should be able to eat all one cares for and stay slim all year long. If you bulge out longterm, you are simply eating the wrong things.

No animal in nature has to calorie restrict to stay slim. Never seen a fat wild deer or shark. Nor fruit bat.

I stay slim no matter what training Im doing as I always eat the same healthy tasty meals that are high in carbs, low in fat, protein and sodium. Its not genetic as my oldest brother is 30kg of excess more than myself and my Mum has bigger arms than my quads.

DR, you should just stick to self-promotion and stop pretending that you know anything about anything scientific such as genetics and nutrition. You truly have no idea, do you? Your weight can't be genetics because your brother and mother are overweight? Don't make me laugh!

 

[durianrider]

Check out my latest vid where I punk Ashton Kutcher elapid and tell me carbs make you fat. Look at my Strava data for 2012 and tell me I train heaps. Yeah I have more stamina than 99.9% of the population on my 'deficient' vegan diet but the reason Im 3% body fat IS diet. Longterm efforts yield the results either good or bad.

Not sure what you find hard to believe man. Hot dogs aint healthy and cholesterol DOES contribute to heart disease. Endotoxin loads found in all animal products DO contribute to cancer rates.

Read the China Study some day man. Oh wait, you're gonna tell me some 19 year old blogger debunked the worlds LARGEST nutritional study EVER done on humans?

 

[lostintime]

FWIW .....My diet is fruit and greens also .... but I take no stock in any "nutrional study" . Every study "proves" only itself . So .. what's the point ? ahahaha. The point is .... they exist as an expression of the passion for life. They are not meant to say "this IS THE way" ... they express the passion of that particular way.

I love eatng fruit .... and while I could give all sorts of reasons why ... they speak of the passion of I. Not for anyone else's . Every way appears to work for everyone !

Life is pure passion. Some have a passion for "being sick" . Others a passion for "being healthy". The constant is the passion that underlies everything ... every motive ... every reason ... every act. Thers will be a passion for replying to this reply .... a passion for calling it whatever ! And it's all great passion ! SO what !!!! I celebrate THIS !! THIS !!

If one's passion is to try to change themsevles or another ... so be it ! If it's one's passion to criticize .. so be it ! You simply cannot escape the wisdom of the passion that all exists of


You know it DR .... the passion of the haters .... the passion of the lovers ... lol .. You know it's all good !!! All passion !!

 

[elapid]

Check out my latest vid where I punk Ashton Kutcher elapid and tell me carbs make you fat. Look at my Strava data for 2012 and tell me I train heaps. Yeah I have more stamina than 99.9% of the population on my 'deficient' vegan diet but the reason Im 3% body fat IS diet. Longterm efforts yield the results either good or bad.

Not sure what you find hard to believe man. Hot dogs aint healthy and cholesterol DOES contribute to heart disease. Endotoxin loads found in all animal products DO contribute to cancer rates.

Read the China Study some day man. Oh wait, you're gonna tell me some 19 year old blogger debunked the worlds LARGEST nutritional study EVER done on humans?

DR - You are the one who uses bloggers and anecdotes such as yourself to try and prove your point, not me. That's always been my point. You keep on touting yourself as an example of all vegans when you are not. You can shout as much as you like about cholesterol and heart disease and animal products and cancer, but the vast majority of published papers will prove you wrong. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you should stick to self-advertising and -publicizing because you do not seem to know much about scientific methods and you certainly cannot use them to support your point of view. If you want to argue about it, then try an argument that doesn't mention you or your family, doesn't mention how fat or skinny the authors of those studies are, and in fact doesn't include one anecdote or what some blogger says. If you can do this, I'll come to the party again, but if you continue your narcissistic comparisons and irrelevant anecdotes then I'm just going to let you stew in your own ignorance.

P.S. I am not criticizing vegan diets. I am not criticizing vegans. I am not criticizing you for being a vegan. Veganism is a lifestyle and a personal choice. I've never said vegan diets were deficient. I've also said you obviously do well on a vegan diet. So don't try and say I've said it was wrong for you and anyone else. Unlike you, I have greater tolerance for the personal choices of others and don't berate them for those choices, whereas you do.

 

[hiero2]

IME LSD = more hunger binges for me while HIIT leaves me feeling energized and empowered and I have less desire to eat. YMMV.

Yeah - me too.

 

[Fenald]

Hello,

Weight is a big issue for many people, especially those trying to lose it. Both are good for weight loss, but the most important thing is to get your heart rate to 80 percent of it's max for about 30 minutes at a time. If you don't want to gain that much muscle, it would probably be better to run because cycling will really build your leg muscles. If you run, you're also moving your arms so you will also give them a little tone. You want to ride for a minimum of one hour. On your ride whether 10 or 40 miles, you want to ride with a minimum cadence of 70+ rpm with moderate pedal pressure. This is called spinning. It is both the proper way to pedal, but, it also assures sufficient exertion to maziimize your calorie burn. hope this will be helpful for you.

Thanks,
Henry



Russia education

 

[helas101]

My Opinion.

There are really most informative post. I am totally agree with you all. According to my knowledge If you want to loss your weight You should take care about your diet and exercise daily. I think cycling is the best exercise for this purpose.

 

[Fenald]

Hey Helas,

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Best Regards,
Fenald


BRICS

 

[Captain Serious]

Read the China Study some day man. Oh wait, you're gonna tell me some 19 year old blogger debunked the worlds LARGEST nutritional study EVER done on humans?

OMG!! Are you actually citing The China Study?! OH MY FAKRIN GOD!! LMFAO!

I thought all copies of that *** would've been burnt by now, because it's been proven that half of it is fiction and the other half is propaganda. Talk about a collection of dodgy conclusions based on loose correlations and 'casual observations'. It's not even a 'study', it's an epidemiological survey.

If you don't wanna listen to Denise Minger, the "young blogger", then check out this other stuff (it's not really for you, because you're blind to any common sense; it's for others who might be doubting reality):

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/

http://drlwilson.com/Articles/CHINA STUDY BOOK REVIEW.htm

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html


And on meat and saturated fat:

"The Journal of the American Medical Association reviewed 147 studies on the impact of diet on health. They found zero correlation between meat consumption and cardiovascular disease." Jee, only the AMA, and only 147 studies!
"Researchers in Britain have found that people have eaten the same amount of animal fat since 1910, yet heart attacks have increased 1000% in that time. A similar increase in heart attacks has also occurred in the U.S., even though meat consumption has decreased"
"....in The Nurses’ Health Study, the group of women who ate the most protein were 25% less likely to have had a heart attack or to have died of heart disease Er....um..... exactly



http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/how-much-protein-part-2/


And who the fark ever recommended eating hot dogs?

 

[DirtyWorks]

DR - ... you should stick to self-advertising and -publicizing because you seem to ignore scientific methods and you certainly cannot use them to support your point of view.

Fixed that for you.

Maybe it's me, but it seems to me there's a substantial segment of cyclists who focus a great deal on weight in an unhealthy way. I've seen it with other endurance athletes too, but since I'm around cyclists the most, I see it there.

Which is why this thread drags on and on.

What we know some things for sure:
-burn more calories than you consume in a day/week and you will lose weight. Taking it to an extreme is not better or faster.

-Everyone's dope-free body has "natural" levels of mass. Some can get skinny/cut easily, other cannot. Don't bother trying to defeat your body's preferences. Work with what you got.

-A dope-free body responds to dropping your weight too low with power falling off and your health generally suffering. Life's too short to try to stay that skinny. What's "too low?" You'll find out if you take weight loss to an extreme.

Beyond that, enjoy your food/meals. Eating should NEVER be a chore. Mange! Mange!

 

[durianrider]

Fixed that for you.

Maybe it's me, but it seems to me there's a substantial segment of cyclists who focus a great deal on weight in an unhealthy way. I've seen it with other endurance athletes too, but since I'm around cyclists the most, I see it there.

Which is why this thread drags on and on.

What we know some things for sure:
-burn more calories than you consume in a day/week and you will lose weight. Taking it to an extreme is not better or faster.

-Everyone's dope-free body has "natural" levels of mass. Some can get skinny/cut easily, other cannot. Don't bother trying to defeat your body's preferences. Work with what you got.

-A dope-free body responds to dropping your weight too low with power falling off and your health generally suffering. Life's too short to try to stay that skinny. What's "too low?" You'll find out if you take weight loss to an extreme.

Beyond that, enjoy your food/meals. Eating should NEVER be a chore. Mange! Mange!

Lemme guess DW, your watts per kg don't even come close to mine even if we age adjusted it.

Rip off your shirt and post up a youtube video like I do on a weekly basis. Lets see how well your dietary and lifestyle advice has been working for you over the last decade.

I havent drunk a cup of coffee since October 1999 btw.

 

[durianrider]

OMG!! Are you actually citing The China Study?! OH MY FAKRIN GOD!! LMFAO!

I thought all copies of that *** would've been burnt by now, because it's been proven that half of it is fiction and the other half is propaganda. Talk about a collection of dodgy conclusions based on loose correlations and 'casual observations'. It's not even a 'study', it's an epidemiological survey.

If you don't wanna listen to Denise Minger, the "young blogger", then check out this other stuff (it's not really for you, because you're blind to any common sense; it's for others who might be doubting reality):

Great, you list some ghost town blogs from the 20th page of google, that have 'debunked' the worlds most comprehensive health and nutrition study ever done. Thats like saying your next door neighbours 13 year old kid debunked NASA' space programme cos he made a paper plane and threw it across the street on a windy day.

I guess I can't take a talking kangaroo with the name of Captain Serious too seriously.

 

[Krebs cycle]

Lemme guess DW, your watts per kg don't even come close to mine even if we age adjusted it.

Rip off your shirt and post up a youtube video like I do on a weekly basis. Lets see how well your dietary and lifestyle advice has been working for you over the last decade.

I havent drunk a cup of coffee since October 1999 btw.

I'm going to chime in nevertheless and state that there are many ways to skin the diet cat and therefore both viewpoints are more or less correct (ie: high carb or low carb) and supported by the scientific literature.

With respect to high carb diets, what is critical is the type of high carb that is consumed. Simple, processed sugars = very bad. Complex carbs found in whole foods such as fruit and vegetables = very good. I think the worst diet advice going around at present is "don't eat fruit because it has fructose in it". Seriously, don't eat fruit?

A recent large scale population health study (see below. n = 5070) which emphasizes a whole food diet consisting mainly of vegetarian food demonstrates excellent cardiovascular health benefits....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21944675

Many many studies on good quality vegetarian diets unanimously show improved cardiovascular health. There simply is no question about this. I believe you know this, but taking the militant hardline vegan approach might alienate others who are skeptical.

But that doesn't mean low carb diets are unhealthy. There is also accumulating evidence that weight loss and improved cardiovascular health can be achieved on low carb diets, but again what is important is the type of fat which is being substituted. Saturated fat and esp trans fatty acids from fried food = BAD. Mono and unsaturated fats from fish, nuts, seeds etc = GOOD.

The physiological mechanism which explains this is easy to understand. Low carb diets force the body to use fat as a fuel source = WIN! Great as a short term weight loss method but the few studies on the long term effects of high protein diets don't seem to show they are any better than energy matched higher carb diets. What worries me though is that high protein diets impose a large acid load on the kidney and whilst there are no studies (yet) which show high protein diets lead to kidney failure, there are many which show kidney failure patients have improved outcomes by switching to LOW protein diets. I don't think I'll take the chance now and wait to find out later when the long term studies are getting published.

I believe that one can be healthy eating either a high carb vegetarian style diet or a low carb diet which a mix of high fat and protein, but as stated, I am cautious about the long term effects of high protein diets and with respect to high intensity training though, low carb diets just don't cut it. There simply isn't enough glycogen being stored to facilitate hard efforts week in week out. Great for temporary weight loss and stimulating fat adaptation which might be beneficial to endurance performance, not great as a long term dietary strategy for athletes who spend large amounts of time above FTP during racing.


edit: And to answer the original question about cycling vs running, my answer is...

It is the intensity that matters, so whatever you like to do the most

 

[fatsprintking]

I'm going to chime in nevertheless and state that there are many ways to skin the diet cat and therefore both viewpoints are more or less correct (ie: high carb or low carb) and supported by the scientific literature.

With respect to high carb diets, what is critical is the type of high carb that is consumed. Simple, processed sugars = very bad. Complex carbs found in whole foods such as fruit and vegetables = very good. I think the worst diet advice going around at present is "don't eat fruit because it has fructose in it". Seriously, don't eat fruit?

A recent large scale population health study (see below. n = 5070) which emphasizes a whole food diet consisting mainly of vegetarian food demonstrates excellent cardiovascular health benefits....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21944675

Many many studies on good quality vegetarian diets unanimously show improved cardiovascular health. There simply is no question about this. I believe you know this, but taking the militant hardline vegan approach might alienate others who are skeptical.

But that doesn't mean low carb diets are unhealthy. There is also accumulating evidence that weight loss and improved cardiovascular health can be achieved on low carb diets, but again what is important is the type of fat which is being substituted. Saturated fat and esp trans fatty acids from fried food = BAD. Mono and unsaturated fats from fish, nuts, seeds etc = GOOD.

The physiological mechanism which explains this is easy to understand. Low carb diets force the body to use fat as a fuel source = WIN! Great as a short term weight loss method but the few studies on the long term effects of high protein diets don't seem to show they are any better than energy matched higher carb diets. What worries me though is that high protein diets impose a large acid load on the kidney and whilst there are no studies (yet) which show high protein diets lead to kidney failure, there are many which show kidney failure patients have improved outcomes by switching to LOW protein diets. I don't think I'll take the chance now and wait to find out later when the long term studies are getting published.

I believe that one can be healthy eating either a high carb vegetarian style diet or a low carb diet which a mix of high fat and protein, but as stated, I am cautious about the long term effects of high protein diets and with respect to high intensity training though, low carb diets just don't cut it. There simply isn't enough glycogen being stored to facilitate hard efforts week in week out. Great for temporary weight loss and stimulating fat adaptation which might be beneficial to endurance performance, not great as a long term dietary strategy for athletes who spend large amounts of time above FTP during racing.


edit: And to answer the original question about cycling vs running, my answer is...

It is the intensity that matters, so whatever you like to do the most

Looks like a pretty well explained, non emotional and fair analysis. Cheers.

 

[Tapeworm]

...Saturated fat and esp trans fatty acids from fried food = BAD...

Just nitpicking about the saturated fat. I know the post was general in nature but the thoughts on the "badness" of saturated fats is being re-thought. It is required for hormone production/regulation for example. Of course as mention where you get these macro-nutrients is highly important as more natural sources often have micro-nutritional benefits as well, ie: fried food is probably not the best place

 

[Krebs cycle]

Just nitpicking about the saturated fat. I know the post was general in nature but the thoughts on the "badness" of saturated fats is being re-thought. It is required for hormone production/regulation for example. Of course as mention where you get these macro-nutrients is highly important as more natural sources often have micro-nutritional benefits as well, ie: fried food is probably not the best place

Yes I agree but the point I was trying to make is that what you substitute for is a key variable.

Whilst the link between saturated fat and CVD is unclear, what is very clear is that if you substitute saturated fats with mono or polyunsaturated fats, then CVD risk is lowered. So in the context of dietary fat only, relative to unsaturated fat intake, saturated fat is 'bad', but perhaps a more accurate term would be 'worse'.

Saturated fat, carbohydrate, and cardiovascular disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20089734

Reduced or modified dietary fat for preventing cardiovascular disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22592684

 

[FrankDay]

Yes I agree but the point I was trying to make is that what you substitute for is a key variable.

Whilst the link between saturated fat and CVD is unclear, what is very clear is that if you substitute saturated fats with mono or polyunsaturated fats, then CVD risk is lowered. So in the context of dietary fat only, relative to unsaturated fat intake, saturated fat is 'bad', but perhaps a more accurate term would be 'worse'.

Saturated fat, carbohydrate, and cardiovascular disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20089734

Reduced or modified dietary fat for preventing cardiovascular disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22592684

as my "group" used to say frequently in high school, attempting to look smart, I am sure.

Everything is relative! Agreed absolutely!

 

[manafana]

cycling wins any day, running will have most people carrying niggle, cycling done right burns more fat.

 

[nick101]

for people under 70kgs then running is by far the best option, if you do it right, which will prevent injury. coming from a strong running background at a national level, the low fat percentage caused by running set me up to do cat 1 climbs at 1600+ VAM, however it took me a year from starting cycling to build the muscles needed for that. Now after 6 years of cycling I have a higher fat % than when I was at my climbing best so for me that's really worrying (climbing at around 1300 - 1400 VAM now). I'm in my off season now so am running and trying to get down to around 8% fat, which I haven't tried in past years. The only problem I have with running is that the very nature of running means that muscles in general especially those used for cycling are destroyed, so you have to balance running with cycling to maintain those muscles. i'm doing this by one legged pedalling at a very high resistance and low cadence, to both keep my muscles I use for cycling and strengthen them also.

 

[davidaoliver]

Yes of course cycling is a very effective to loss one's unwanted weight. and it is a very easy to do that.

 

[Elliote]

I will go for running as running not only boost metabolism, burn body fat and helps in losing weight but also promotes muscular development and make heart and lungs strong. Running reduce cholesterol level, prevent from depression, anxiety, heart disease and some cancers.

 

[kilibo77]

try the treadmill, fun for me, no need to leave home

 

[Kristina Travis]

Cycling or Running

According to what I have read, between cycling or running, the best form will be the one that will fit and interest you the most even in long hours of exercise. Both cut on calories which is good in losing weight. However, cycling offers more options for overweight. My last verdict here is to do both regimen to make it easier to lose weight.