What level a rider would have needed to prevail Froome of the 2013 Tour pattern?

[cineteq]

Laughable as always. Keep them coming

You have to always read between the lines, you'd need to find the hidden meaning behind 'rookie'

 

[Miburo]

Yes, RoboBasso >>> Froome is laughable given Basso was opposed by 85 kg climber Gutierrez and oldie Simoni.

Robobasso was absolutely ridiculous. And 'oldie simoni' was still very strong during these days, he was still on the level of guys like piepoli and ricco in giro '07. Then he decreased a lot.

Basso dropped this guy without making much effort.

Anyone who thinks Froome would even form a challenge against Basso needs to check their minds cause they're clearly insane.

Even Contador in his prime would get destroyed by that Basso. Basso was way too ridiculous.

 

[airstream]

Robobasso was absolutely ridiculous. And 'oldie simoni' was still very strong during these days, he was still on the level of guys like piepoli and ricco in giro '07. Then he decreased a lot.

Basso dropped this guy without making much effort.

Anyone who thinks Froome would even form a challenge against Basso needs to check their minds cause they're clearly insane.

Even Contador in his prime would get destroyed by that Basso. Basso was way too ridiculous.

I think there is no insanity in such matters Miburo because all this thread is an attempt to theorize on hypothetical situation. I clearly remember how the situation was being assessed prior the 2006 Giro when Basso was the race favorite #1,#2 and #3...What means without much effort? Monte Bondone from Basso and Mont Ventoux from Froommey are comparable?

 

[ILovecycling]

No you don't think so. You are just not able to control your emotions like most people who voted for point 6. Some of you guys obviously need even harsher lesson from Christopher in the 2014 Tour.

Check the facts - statistics (ascents times mainly) ,and dont rely on your feelings or estimations.Then you'll understand how ridiculous is your opinion.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

RoboBasso would have decimated any field in the Tour the past 4 years, even 2009 Contador

 

[LaFlorecita]

Check the facts - statistics (ascents times mainly) ,and dont rely on your feelings or estimations.Then you'll understand how ridiculous is your opinion.

Excellent point.

Airstream is just as bad as I am when it comes to die-hard fanboy/girling.

 

[airstream]

Check the facts - statistics (ascents times mainly) ,and dont rely on your feelings or estimations.Then you'll understand how ridiculous is your opinion.

Do you joke? This topic is absolutely about abstract perceptions because no one will be able to find objective arguments in discussions like that. Gotta understand cycling through ascent numbers? Go ahead. I prefer to have my own vision which as life shows tends to come true quite often. It's you, a guy, who ridiculed me when after the Dauphine I said Froome is able to flip anyone even going in the saddle. I remember it very well.

 

[IndianCyclist]

All of them would have beaten Froome. All their strength was displayed in the 3rd Week. Froome was weak in the third week.
Froome equivalents would be
1) Schleck/Contador 2010
2) Basso 2010
3) Nibali 2013
4) Quintana 2015

 

[Carols]

#6 just to make airstreams day

 

[InterestedSpectator]

It seems to me that no one can be nominated, at least from 1998 up to 2011. In other words only Wiggins could be even considered.

 

[LaFlorecita]

#6 just to make airstreams day

Carol you are too kind

 

[gustienordic]

It seems to me that no one can be nominated, at least from 1998 up to 2011. In other words only Wiggins could be even considered.

LOL.. Wiggo is lightspeed behind Froome - even last year I still think Froome could have won if he had the go ahead...

After thinking about this for awhile, I decided on my final order for ranking:

LA (almost any year) >>>> Pantani >>> RoboBasso >>> some years Ullrich >> 2009 Contador > 2008(?) Ricco > 2011 Contador >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013 Froome >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012 Wiggins

 

[42x16ss]

LOL.. Wiggo is lightspeed behind Froome - even last year I still think Froome could have won if he had the go ahead...

After thinking about this for awhile, I decided on my final order for ranking:

LA (almost any year) >>>> Pantani >>> RoboBasso >>> some years Ullrich >> 2009 Contador > 2008(?) Ricco > 2011 Contador >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013 Froome >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012 Wiggins

The pre meltdown Pantani would have destroyed this entire list. Just look at his climb times from 94 onwards, he'd have taken 3-4 minutes just on Alpe d'Huez. If Pantani wasn't booted from the 99 Giro Armstrong would have had his backside handed to him on a platter.

The 00 form was still very good but not quite the same rider as before.

 

[ILovecycling]

Do you joke? This topic is absolutely about abstract perceptions because no one will be able to find objective arguments in discussions like that. Gotta understand cycling through ascent numbers? Go ahead. I prefer to have my own vision which as life shows tends to come true quite often. It's you, a guy, who ridiculed me when after the Dauphine I said Froome is able to flip anyone even going in the saddle. I remember it very well.

You dont want to look at 'the numbers' coz you know really well that it would be a dissapointment for you coz Froome wasnt good enough to match those riders in this poll.

bolded :
Yes,I'm.I was wrong,people do it,sometimes,if you didnt know...

 

[webbie146]

The pre meltdown Pantani would have destroyed this entire list. Just look at his climb times from 94 onwards, he'd have taken 3-4 minutes just on Alpe d'Huez. If Pantani wasn't booted from the 99 Giro Armstrong would have had his backside handed to him on a platter.

The 00 form was still very good but not quite the same rider as before.

Armstrong time in 2001 on Alpe d'Huez was like 1 minute slower then Pantani's best time right? Anyways it would def depend on the parcour too. Put in 2 long ITT's and Armstrong would take minutes in those on Pantani, and then limit his losses on the climbs. Armstrong is a more all-round rider.

 

[airstream]

You dont want to look at 'the numbers' coz you know really well that it would be a dissapointment for you coz Froome wasnt good enough to match those riders in this poll.

bolded :
Yes,I'm.I was wrong,people do it,sometimes,if you didnt know...

Ease up. I know numbers not worse than anyone else. But I find it exteremely far-fetched to boil everything down to ascent numbers.

 

[Cyivel]

I could never disagree with my main man airstream so voted 6.

 

[ILovecycling]

Ease up. I know numbers not worse than anyone else. But I find it exteremely far-fetched to boil everything down to ascent numbers.

Im fine man,like I said before, you provide me a lot of fun here so I removed you from my ignore list where I had your name more than half a year.

Bolded
I've never said this.

 

[karlboss]

All of them would have beaten Froome. All their strength was displayed in the 3rd Week. Froome was weak in the third week.
Froome equivalents would be
1) Schleck/Contador 2010
2) Basso 2010
3) Nibali 2013
4) Quintana 2015

A far better list than the one originally presented. In order, Froome 2013, Nibali 2013, Schleck Contador 2010. Basso 2010, but at least I have to think about it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I could never disagree with my main man airstream so voted 6.

Cyivel well said brother

Edit: but you voted 7

 

[airstream]

Yes,I'm.I was wrong,people do it,sometimes,if you didnt know...

One thing is to be wrong. Other thing is to ridicule someone's opinion. All the more so that my stance was not average. Most of you hugely sucked with a point of 'Contador 7 wins, Froome zero, so Contador will win'.

 

[Cyivel]

Cyivel well said brother

Edit: but you voted 7

I've made an huge mistake.

 

[Shardi]

Armstrong 02 and Basso 06 would have worn froome down. Armstrong would beat him in the time trials and basso would grind him down in the mountains in the 3rd week.

Contador 09 would just skyrocket away in the 3rd week MTFs with his 7 w/kg. The flat TT would not make up for it.

Contador 11 and Nibali 13 would make for a nice battle. Advantage froome in the ITTs. But 3rd week MTFs would make it interesting..

Pantani 98 would obviously win the MTFs. But froome most certainly would gain time in the TTs.. Hard to call. The 98 tour breakaway would probably not happen.

 

[ILovecycling]

One thing is to be wrong. Other thing is to ridicule someone's opinion. All the more so that my stance was not average. Most of you hugely sucked with a point of 'Contador 7 wins, Froome zero, so Contador will win'.

What purpose is in this post

 

[airstream]

What purpose is in this post

Purpose of this post is do not judge others, and you will not be judged. People should be more kind to each other instead of posting 'Froome will attack from 1 km to go while Contador will attack whenever he wants' when the opposite was obvious.