What the hell just happened ?

[gree0232]

The last uci press release reads like phat is very nervous. i guess we know why and he knows too

Actually, the quick and emotional rebuttal that is already charging the UCI with animous looks .... troubling. Tygart expects a rebuttal - and he should.

Remember, he could have said, "Yep, understand the concerns of the UCI, we just want to make sure, given the potentially explosive content, that we do this right. Apologies on the delay."

He didn't.

 

[AlpineClimbr]

The really big downside of Armstrong's absentia ploy is that everything is evidence. No standard,no subject to examination of any kind. Even the USADA allowing the floating end point to Lance's conviction shows his legal team did him no service by advising him to do this. 1998?

There's still the arbitration case with Bruyneel.

 

[Big Doopie]

Actually, the quick and emotional rebuttal that is already charging the UCI with animous looks .... troubling. Tygart expects a rebuttal - and he should.

Remember, he could have said, "Yep, understand the concerns of the UCI, we just want to make sure, given the potentially explosive content, that we do this right. Apologies on the delay."

He didn't.

uci is complicit in the fraud.

usada knows this.

usada must continue to act as if the uci is the enemy so that justice can ultimately have its day.

 

[Velodude]

I won't have to. Its going to happen. The Lance lovers will have their day to shine as well. And that makes you, and a lot of others, really angry, eh?

Why? Do accussed persons not have a right to rebuttal?

THAT is the problem.

Acussed persons? Are they persons who over use profanities?

Lance lost his opportunities back before Federal Judge Sparks a couple of months back. If you were on his legal advisory team you would have insisted all these agencies other than USADA be included in his delaying action against USADA.

So which agency does have jurisdiction? The UCI, WADA, IOC, French Ministery (sic) of Sport, Greg LeMond? The Hog? US Cycling? USADA? US Justic (sic) Department? THe (sic) French Gerndermie (sic)?

 

[Oldman]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...a-over-armstrong-file-in-press-release_240101

"The UCI wonders why it is taking USADA so long to provide its reasoned decision and case file.

Reports state that its decision has been delayed because it is continuing to gather evidence and that it has yet to complete its case file.

“The UCI had no reason to assume that a full case file did not exist but USADA’s continued failure to produce the decision is now a cause for concern,” said Mr McQuaid, UCI President.

“It is over a month since USADA sanctioned Lance Armstrong. We thought that USADA were better prepared before initiating these proceedings” said Mr McQuaid.

It seems that it would have been more useful for USADA to have used the time of the Tour de France, the Olympic Games and the Road World Championships to prepare their case in full rather than to make announcements.

It is at very least unusual that USADA would still be gathering evidence against a person after it has found that person guilty."

So, there are a couple of possibilities here:

#1 - I work for the UCI and I just KNEW this was going to happen and, like the Hog, wantd to get in front of it?

#2 - the pattern of the past 16 years is easily identifiable, that this was inevitable.

Those who understand the legal process, and, unofrtuantely what this process is, know that this is not over.

Are the Lance Haters prepared for that systemic inevitablity?

This is exactly what cycling needs and why the UCI is nervous. The information is likely flooding in and it's heading upstream from Lance to Pat's door. A source has advised that prior teammates of Lance's have begun to offer up related information even though not originally approached by Novitsky or USADA. Any apologist for the UCI or Lance, TW, Bruyneel, Carmichael, Ochowiz should take long steps backing away from the BIG FAN in front of them. There's a pile of sh*t coming.

 

[Velodude]

The last uci press release reads like phat is very nervous. i guess we know why and he knows too

The emotional load from waiting. The emotional release when the indefensible actions have been exposed.

Every person holding on to dark secrets experiences relief in these circumstances.

 

[gree0232]

uci is complicit in the fraud.

usada knows this.

usada must continue to act as if the uci is the enemy so that justice can ultimately have its day.

And you have evidence to back that up? Or is this another rumor?

USADA has no choice but to provide the evidence to the UCI - because them's the rules.

And it goes directly back to that question I asked about who has jurisdiction to do what? Which of the catty organizations is telling the truth? WHo knows, the evidence is yet to come with both sides already accusing the other of malicious intent.

CAS, feel free to step in and end this at any time.

 

[gree0232]

This is exactly what cycling needs and why the UCI is nervous. The information is likely flooding in and it's heading upstream from Lance to Pat's door. A source has advised that prior teammates of Lance's have begun to offer up related information even though not originally approached by Novitsky or USADA. Any apologist for the UCI or Lance, TW, Bruyneel, Carmichael, Ochowiz should take long steps backing away from the BIG FAN in front of them. There's a pile of sh*t coming.

THat is not what Travis Tygart is saying. Lets operate on the basis of fact, not innuendo and recrimination. It was end of the month, now its 15 OCT. And someone is talking about additional evidence being added to the file. The UCI should not ask, WTH?

Again, every situiation has two sides, and so far all this process has done is managed to get both sides varying opportunities to say, "In your face!!!"

Evidnece, please. CAS feel free to come down at any moment.

 

[noddy69]

THat is not what Travis Tygart is saying. Lets operate on the basis of fact, not innuendo and recrimination. It was end of the month, now its 15 OCT. And someone is talking about additional evidence being added to the file. The UCI should not ask, WTH?

Again, every situiation has two sides, and so far all this process has done is managed to get both sides varying opportunities to say, "In your face!!!"

Evidnece, please. CAS feel free to come down at any moment.

As clear as day, the evidence will be there by oct 15th as has been communicated to the UCI. CAS will not be utilised as there will be no point when the dossier hits the desk and the game is up.

As for lets operate on fact...then next sentence talk about rumour...your not very consistent in what you want, or more likely you want facts but you yourself feel free to spout rumour, not surprised really.

 

[gree0232]

As clear as day, the evidence will be there by oct 15th as has been communicated to the UCI. CAS will not be utilised as there will be no point when the dossier hits the desk and the game is up.

As for lets operate on fact...then next sentence talk about rumour...your not very consistent in what you want, or more likely you want facts but you yourself feel free to spout rumour, not surprised really.

And what do I want?

It isn't a rumor that the two sides continue to point acrimonious fingers at one another. It isn't a rumor that the evidence, when released, will be examined and a rebuttal issued. That is a fact.

It is also not a rumor that there are claims of additional evidence being added to the case file. Those reports were leaked were they not? Those reports ARE the rumors, and why is USADA not the ones laying them to rest?

And every suspected doper has to endure this?

Thank God our criminal system, which is hardly free from criticism, isn't this dysfunctional.

 

[MacRoadie]

I look forward to your exhaustive analysis of the evidence when it is released.

Oh it will be exhausting, for sure...

 

[Race Radio]

And what do I want?

It isn't a rumor that the two sides continue to point acrimonious fingers at one another. It isn't a rumor that the evidence, when released, will be examined and a rebuttal issued. That is a fact.

It is also not a rumor that there are claims of additional evidence being added to the case file. Those reports were leaked were they not? Those reports ARE the rumors, and why is USADA not the ones laying them to rest?

And every suspected doper has to endure this?

Thank God our criminal system, which is hardly free from criticism, isn't this dysfunctional.

What in the world are you talking about?

Did Bigfoot play a part in this or was it the Yeti?

 

[MacRoadie]

"It is not surprising that UCI would send a press release out attempting to undermine and question the substance of our case," USADA CEO Travis Tygart stated. "It is also troubling that they would claim to have had no contact with us which is inaccurate. As they know we will be providing them the 'reasoned decision' no later than October 15 through the process and at that time the questions contained in their publicly released statement today will be answered."

Travis don't take no **** from anyone...

 

[gree0232]

Travis don't take no **** from anyone...

And yet the process still requires the two agencies to cooperate and arrive at mutual conclusions ... which is working ever so well? Why are we not just going straight to CAS?

And McQuaid, his response was clearly about, "not takin' no **** from anyone?"

Again, this process is ... dysfunctional.

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

Two interesting developments today, with questions:

1. Edwin Moses, the great Olympic gold medalist 400m hurdler from the 1970s and 1980s, was appointed chairman of USADA today.

Question: Does Moses have Tygart's back?

2 Race Radio tweeted today that Andre Birotte -- the political appointee who stopped the Fed case -- has been obstructing USADA's requests for information from the Fed case.

Question: Is this the reason for USADA's Oct. 15 deadline? And does Birotte's obstructionism weaken USADA's case in any way?

 

[MacRoadie]

Two interesting developments today, with questions:

1. Edwin Moses, the great Olympic gold medalist 400m hurdler from the 1970s and 1980s, was appointed chairman of USADA today.

Question: Does Moses have Tygart's back?

2 Race Radio tweeted today that Andre Birotte -- the political appointee who stopped the Fed case -- has been obstructing USADA's requests for information from the Fed case.

Question: Is this the reason for USADA's Oct. 15 deadline? And does Birotte's obstructionism weaken USADA's case in any way?

Moses hs been on the board since 2010.

"I have been honored to serve on the USADA board since 2010 and as chair I look forward to continuing to support USADA's staff in successfully fulfilling our mission through our commitment to the highest standards of excellence."

 

[Race Radio]

And yet the process still requires the two agencies to cooperate and arrive at mutual conclusions ... which is working ever so well? Why are we not just going straight to CAS?

And McQuaid, his response was clearly about, "not takin' no **** from anyone?"

Again, this process is ... dysfunctional.

The process is dysfunctional. How can McQuaid and Verburggen be part of the adjudication if they were also part of the coverup?

The UCI has done their best to obstruct this case for years. They can wait another week before they turn the obstruction machine to 11

 

[Cobblestoned]

They found traces of Lance Armstrong in Johan Bruyneel.

Seems like Lance's lifetime ban will now be expanded to a 30 times lifetime ban.
Just read between the lines. It's clear and makes a lot of sense. This will be nothing but impressive and game-changing.

Well, there's a lot of US in USADA.

 

[Cobblestoned]

What in the world are you talking about?

Did Bigfoot play a part in this or was it the Yeti?

Keep it nice, radiodamus.
People try discussing here.

 

[AlpineClimbr]

USADA Responds

Unfortunately, we had not expected the flood of additional evidence that would come forth as a result of this case. First of all, Mr. Armstrong apparently has a singular talent not just for bike racing and doping, but also for taking perfectly loyal and trustworthy friends and converting them (in vast numbers) into angry, backstabbing new sources of highly-detailed information.

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/09/usada-response-to-uci-press-release/

 

[TheEnoculator]

I can see why McQuaid is doing this. He's trying to put pressure on USADA to try to make Tygart rush his report. McQuaid knows there is a huge amount of evidence and all he needs is a tiny little pin hole in the report and he'll turn it into ground zero. The more time USADA takes, the more airtight the report is. Remember UCI is in on the Armstrong conspiracy. They don't want the report to be perfect.

I don't mind if it takes another two months to get the evidence released, as long as it'll nail Armstrong right in the groin. I don't see what's the rush here.

This delay is just giving the fanboys ammunitions, but they won't have a leg to stand on when the report comes out.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

We still have to wonder why one group of investigators decided not to press charges, and another decides to issue an ultimatum?

You are misinformed. No group decided anything. You should do a little research.

 

[thehog]

I can see why McQuaid is doing this. He's trying to put pressure on USADA to try to make Tygart rush his report. McQuaid knows there is a huge amount of evidence and all he needs is a tiny little pin hole in the report and he'll turn it into ground zero. The more time USADA takes, the more airtight the report is. Remember UCI is in on the Armstrong conspiracy. They don't want the report to be perfect.

I don't mind if it takes another two months to get the evidence released, as long as it'll nail Armstrong right in the groin. I don't see what's the rush here.

This delay is just giving the fanboys ammunitions, but they won't have a leg to stand on when the report comes out.

No he's just very nervous. Very nervous. He's doesn't know how much they know.

When one is involved in a situation whereby they lack control they attempt to assume control by statements such as these.

 

[gree0232]

I can see why McQuaid is doing this. He's trying to put pressure on USADA to try to make Tygart rush his report. McQuaid knows there is a huge amount of evidence and all he needs is a tiny little pin hole in the report and he'll turn it into ground zero. The more time USADA takes, the more airtight the report is. Remember UCI is in on the Armstrong conspiracy. They don't want the report to be perfect.

I don't mind if it takes another two months to get the evidence released, as long as it'll nail Armstrong right in the groin. I don't see what's the rush here.

This delay is just giving the fanboys ammunitions, but they won't have a leg to stand on when the report comes out.

So, in short, the Lance Haters are not pepared for the evidence to rebutted.

And the bolded part up there? That is why I have concerns about this process.

I ealize this may shock, but sometimes in an adversarial based system of jurisprudence guilty people get off, sometime innocent people go to jail - but by in large we have faith that the system gets it right in an explanable and largely predictable manner.

If the schtick sticks, then the haters will think the system works perfect, and the fan boys scream conspiracy. If it doesn't, vast conspiracy in favor of Armstrong (who is worse than the mophia mind you), and the fan boys cheer.

Nobody has confidence in the system or the result.

Well, the good news is that we will still be talking about Wiggo's cadence, only it will also involve Cavendish's friends, exgirlfriend who swears she heard Wiggo and Cav talking about doping in front of Sceintologists who audited the record ... and can take great confidence in the process used to nail Wiggo ... 16 years from now.

Dysfunction.

 

[gree0232]

You are misinformed. No group decided anything. You should do a little research.

The justice department did press forward, eh?

Do a little research.

Glad that people are so willing to discuss the system that they will dredge up posts from a month ago and blindly dump them out there devoid of context ... because that means the system is functional and sound?

YOu don't have to demonize everyone who questions the system.