What's the Status on Armstrong vs. FDA?

[flicker]

I would think that Novitsky going to Europe might be pointless. I think he will be stonewalled there. There is nothing to be gained by having an Elliott Ness G-Man knocking on doors. Of course Nov. could hit the labs but a frontal assault is not his style and even the anti-doping people won't jibe with a personality such as Novitskys. As Elliott Ness busted Capone on tax fraud, that has to be Novitskys ploy. Jeff is going to have his eyes forced wide open if he goes to Europe. Nothing pretty for Jeff there.

 

[JayZee]

It doesn't quite work like that, at least in contemporary times. Anyhow, with the charity at stake, LA would more likely find sympathy from the people in power now.

Really? I have first hand knowledge of white collar crimes that have been shelved most likely due to lack of manpower/funds to pursue every single case. Often there is a civil action component and I think that plays into the lack of prosecution as well.

As for the baseball comparison, I think cycling is a little different. Congress has a long history of being involved in baseball (labor relations and antitrust exemptions), which I think contributes to their interest in doping in Baseball. I don't see to many Olympic athletes being hauled before Congress to testify regarding doping in Olympic sports, or even NFL players for that matter.

Furthermore, if Armstrong does have some political aspirations down the road, his current predicament may be of some interest to his presumed political party.

I am not saying it is likely, but it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility in my mind.

 

[hughmoore]

So, no smoking gun as yet, so he is off to Europe for a fact find.

Im convinced.


Hugh

 

[TERMINATOR]

I generally agree, but the one place politics might come into play is if Novitsky pursues a violation that would be argued in Texas state court. In that case, there are probably more than one state politician and judge who would quietly step in.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The case is a FEDERAL case that will be heard in a Los Angeles federal district court, which has NOTHING to do with Texas state politics or state courts.

Even if the case somehow is channeled into a FEDERAL court in Texas, local state politics will have no influence on federal court ops.

The fact that you don't even seem to realize this is a federal case and not a state case is troubling.

 

[thehog]

theHog delivers: http://www.fanhouse.com/2010/10/28/lance-armstrong-could-be-target-of-new-tactic-by-prosecutors/

Federal prosecutors investigating Lance Armstrong appear set to use a tool to pursue the seven-time Tour de France champ beyond the normal statute of limitations.

A grand jury empaneled in Los Angeles to investigate whether Armstrong was part of a conspiracy to purchase and use performance-enhancing drugs typically could only consider crimes committed over the last five years. But a person with knowledge of the investigation said prosecutors could claim that Armstrong and others made overt acts to continue the conspiracy, a move that could effectively reset the clock on the statute of limitations.

 

[hughmoore]

"A grand jury empaneled in Los Angeles to investigate whether Armstrong was part of a conspiracy to purchase and use performance-enhancing drugs typically could only consider crimes committed over the last five years."

I dont understand this comment, so they are saying there is no evidence Armstrong has been using drugs in last five years, so they have to go beyond the normal statute of limitations.

WTF



Hugh

 

[scribe]

Really? I have first hand knowledge of white collar crimes that have been shelved most likely due to lack of manpower/funds to pursue every single case. Often there is a civil action component and I think that plays into the lack of prosecution as well.

As for the baseball comparison, I think cycling is a little different. Congress has a long history of being involved in baseball (labor relations and antitrust exemptions), which I think contributes to their interest in doping in Baseball. I don't see to many Olympic athletes being hauled before Congress to testify regarding doping in Olympic sports, or even NFL players for that matter.

Furthermore, if Armstrong does have some political aspirations down the road, his current predicament may be of some interest to his presumed political party.

I am not saying it is likely, but it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility in my mind.

Well, there is a difference between not having the budget to prosecute certain crimes, and a determination to let someone off as a political favor.

 

[Race Radio]

The SOL concern has been covered many times since the ToC. It is not an issue, it is very common to get around it.

 

[python]

so we have 2 new developments reported:

(i) novi is packing his suitcase for europe
(ii) prosecution is looking to extend the statue of limitation under the federal conspiracy statute.

the key quote from the fanhouse article:

Armstrong has continually denied that he used performance-enhancing drugs. Such denials, however, likely wouldn't constitute extending the conspiracy, although his interactions with the managers and any new attempts to hide the presence of a doping conspiracy would

could the bon voyage and the sol extension be linked under an international drug trafficking charge?

 

[thehog]

Floyd is racing Kona next year. He's going to take Lance!

That's unless Lance can't make due to other commitments at the number plate factory.

 

[Oldnell]

Floyd is racing Kona next year. He's going to take Lance!

That's unless Lance can't make due to other commitments at the number plate factory.

I used to enjoy cycling and cyclists until I started reading this forum. It was sad and disappointing to discover that this sewer is populated by vermin who call themselves cyclists. The pig, who makes so many false predictions based on inside knowledge will be disappointed again I fear.

 

[Ferminal]

I used to enjoy cycling and cyclists until I started reading this forum. It was sad and disappointing to discover that this sewer is populated by vermin who call themselves cyclists. The pig, who makes so many false predictions based on inside knowledge will be disappointed again I fear.

So basically, the events of the past twelve months have led to your disillusionment - you no longer believe in miracles.

And trying to paint the people you refer to in your post as the scapegoat, when really it's all down to the false profit.

 

[tubularglue]

What's the Status on Armstrong vs. FDA?

no one knows

I am waiting for the book

 

[flicker]

I used to enjoy cycling and cyclists until I started reading this forum. It was sad and disappointing to discover that this sewer is populated by vermin who call themselves cyclists. The pig, who makes so many false predictions based on inside knowledge will be disappointed again I fear.

Have hope friend, I believe in God, Country, Family and our virtuous yellow one.

In my opinion and I have been called many names here amatuer cyclists are self centered, self rightous, arrogant unfriendly characters, hence the negativity here.

Stick with me kid I know how to ride a bike and joke with the Europeans. HOPE.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I used to enjoy cycling and cyclists until I started reading this forum. It was sad and disappointing to discover that this sewer is populated by vermin who call themselves cyclists. The pig, who makes so many false predictions based on inside knowledge will be disappointed again I fear.

And yet you keep turning up again, simply to complain about what a terrible place this is. You have never made a post that was anything more than an attack on the entire forum. I guess the question that occurs to me is "if you no longer enjoy cycling or cyclists why don't you just go away and quit annoying them?"
I did a quick internet search and I think I found a picture of you

 

[nevada]

Does SOL apply to RICO ?

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Does SOL apply to RICO ?

RICO Statute of Limitations

 

[flicker]

you all are my brothers I love you. Its just that by the comments that I have heard here shows me that so many here know so little and have so much to say and have never competed. The attacks on Armstrong and others here show me that they do not know what an athlete is.

This is what an athlete is, self centered, egotistical, self absorbed, bragadocious focused etc. Just what Armstrong is and what all the cyclists who were quality have been. It even goes for the sportif (century) riders I have met.

When Novitsky, WADA,USDA, FDA get done they will find out what I just wrote about aathletes is true.

Novitsky could have saved a bundle for us taxpayers by walking into anNBA or NFL locke room. Same deal as Armstrong, different sport.

 

[buckwheat]

you all are my brothers I love you. Its just that by the comments that I have heard here shows me that so many here know so little and have so much to say and have never competed. The attacks on Armstrong and others here show me that they do not know what an athlete is.

This is what an athlete is, self centered, egotistical, self absorbed, bragadocious focused etc. Just what Armstrong is and what all the cyclists who were quality have been. It even goes for the sportif (century) riders I have met.

When Novitsky, WADA,USDA, FDA get done they will find out what I just wrote about aathletes is true.

Novitsky could have saved a bundle for us taxpayers by walking into anNBA or NFL locke room. Same deal as Armstrong, different sport.

And therefore there's a direct relationship to cheating?

 

[Benotti69]

....

This is what an athlete is, self centered, egotistical, self absorbed, bragadocious focused etc. Just what Armstrong is and what all the cyclists who were quality have been. It even goes for the sportif (century) riders I have met.

.....

I dont seem to remember Indurain being as you describe quality, Kelly? Contador? Cancellara? Basso? Nibali? to name a few past and recent quality riders?

Uniballer liked to believe he was a law unto himself and he pretty much was for a while, but hey every Dictator cannot rule for ever

 

[flicker]

I dont seem to remember Indurain being as you describe quality, Kelly? Contador? Cancellara? Basso? Nibali? to name a few past and recent quality riders?

Uniballer liked to believe he was a law unto himself and he pretty much was for a while, but hey every Dictator cannot rule for ever

Some mature into gentlemen or have handlers who teach them how to act. As a generalization I am correct. I am talking the killer instinct it takes to make it to the top.

 

[flicker]

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[SpartacusRox]

Public opinion on Hog's post? Pretty much all of the posters on the site that posted the article think that the whole investigation is a waste of money and i don't think that many of them are Armstrong fans per se, they just couldn't care less about the whole thing.

That snapshot of the great unwashed is pretty much how most Americans will view the matter. Outside of the Omerta on this site, I am picking that the tide of public and therefore probably political opinion will be on the side of Armstrong.

99% of Americans couldn't give a toss about cycling. They only see Lance the cancer hero. They will just view the whole thing as once again the government wasting their money while there is real crime to investigate.

As one guy so eloquently put it: "Armstrong, who cares, lets get the world series back on tv."

That quote encapsulates pretty much how the average American Joe will see this whole thing. I think that the responses to the article on Hog's link were pretty much 99% in this vein.

The Feds will turn out to be the bad guys in this in the eyes of the US public, if you can't see that you need glasses.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Integrity is standing your ground even in a minority of 1.

 

[SpartacusRox]

Integrity is standing your ground even in a minority of 1.

Exactly! Thank you Darryl!