::::~ Wheelbuilders thread ~::::

[Black wallnut]

240 lbs. although I'm losing about 3-5 pounds a month.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

Sorta. Have a customer who put a dent in a fairly new rear wheel, Velocity Fusion rim. Spokes are not tweaked or damaged, rim is still true, just dented and he wants a new one. Gonna reuse the spokes, not the nipps(brass) but there is nothing wrong with the spokes. If the wheel is old or potatoe chipped, stress on the spokes means new ones but for a fairly recent wheel...I don't change 'em.

It would have to be a really recent build. But I don't work in a shop anymore so the range of types of repairs I don't see like you do. The only used wheel part that ever gets re-laced in my truing stand would be hubs, everything else is new.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

240 lbs. although I'm losing about 3-5 pounds a month.

Miche Primato or Racing Box hubs, Velocity Deep V rims, double butted spokes 14/15 gauge, 32h 3x.

You could probably save another $40 by substituting the Velocity rims for some KinLin XR-300's. This wheel set should come pretty close to your budget.

 

[Black wallnut]

Thanks RDV4ROUBAIX!

 

[pedaling squares]

I was thinking of getting some Racing Box hubs and Velocity A23s for my wife's bike. I think I recall those hubs getting some kudos in this forum for quality and bang for buck. RDV recommended those hubs a couple of posts ago, was that based on overall quality, or just quality within that budget?

 

[Notso Swift]

"Yes"
They are good for the price (probably the best), but they are not bad regardless of price
Spend more and you get better but there are hubs for double that are not as good
About $100 for the pair is better than a lot, and they are less an that on Total Cycling
As a bonus Miche are available for both Campy and Shimano

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

I was thinking of getting some Racing Box hubs and Velocity A23s for my wife's bike. I think I recall those hubs getting some kudos in this forum for quality and bang for buck. RDV recommended those hubs a couple of posts ago, was that based on overall quality, or just quality within that budget?

Both. Good as anything else out there that costs 200-300 dollars more. Only difference is that these are usually 100g more per set than the rest, and limited spoke hole drilling options, still more than Campy . All being said they are a great bargain.

 

[pedaling squares]

Thanks guys. 100g in the centre of the wheel she can live with. Will try them out. Every girl needs a new wheel set for her birthday.

 

[Black wallnut]

How do 105 hubs compare to the Miche?

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

How do 105 hubs compare to the Miche?

The Shimano 105's are good 'ole cup and cone, open bearing. Super user serviceable, if you know what you're doing wielding a couple cone wrenches. The Miche hubs are cartridge, or press fit bearings, need a specific hub bearing extractor and press to service, expensive for home use, but most reputable shops do this service for cheap. Though the Miche hubs do show great long term durability signs. Either would be a great choice for a budget wheel set. With cup and cone bearings like in the Shimano hubs you, or a shop will have to readjust the bearing preload once the wheel is built, which is the case often times with this type.

 

[fasthill]

I bought a pair of second hand wheels with very good hubs and good rims but most nipples have been rounded by sloppy truing and both wheels need some truing. I'd like to buy a set of new spokes and nipples and relace them.

What's the best procedure with this? Cut the spokes and relace? Or cut -> insert new spoke, repeat?

 

[JayKosta]

Remove the rear gears before removing the spokes.
If some 'weird' spoke lacing is on the wheel, then take time to figure out what length spokes are needed.
If it's a 'standard' lacing, then save at least a few intact spokes to measure so you get new ones of the proper length.
Cutting to remove the others should be ok.

Installing all new spokes can get complicated - it is not as simple as just 'replace them 1 at a time'.
Considerations are:
proper tension
centering the rim with the hub / frame
pre-stressing the wheel before (and after) final truing
up-down (wheel hop) truing
side-to-side truing

Jay Kosta
Endwell NY USA

 

[Bustedknuckle]

I bought a pair of second hand wheels with very good hubs and good rims but most nipples have been rounded by sloppy truing and both wheels need some truing. I'd like to buy a set of new spokes and nipples and relace them.

What's the best procedure with this? Cut the spokes and relace? Or cut -> insert new spoke, repeat?

That's a tough one because ideally, you would reduce tension on the rim, slowly, to prevent the rim from getting bent. Then relace with new spokes and nipples. But if ya can't turn the nipples, just gotta cut them out. Tough on the rim and the hub flanges. BUT cut 'em out, hope that the hub flange survives and the rim isn't too bent up. Relace, true, round and tension.

 

[fasthill]

That's a tough one because ideally, you would reduce tension on the rim, slowly, to prevent the rim from getting bent. Then relace with new spokes and nipples.

That's what I was worrying about, the rim although I didn't think the hubs will be affected. I'll try to see if I can use a screwdriver from the top of the rim and then if it fails, pliers to loosen the spokes.

 

[Notso Swift]

Since you don't mind butchering them why not just use Vice Grips
One on the spoke, one on the nipple
I would never say it other wise but better than cutting them one at a time

 

[fasthill]

OK seems like a plan. Vice Grips then.

 

[42x16ss]

A good friend of mine just picked up some new wheels - 45mm Enve tubulars, Alchemy hubs and Sapim bladed spokes. He loaned them to me for yesterday's bunch ride, to sum it up:

WOW!!!!

RDV - these are the best wheels I've ridden, I can see why you endorse them. I was surprised by how easy they were to control even with a 10-12 knot SE breeze. I NEED a set

 

[PCutter]

A good friend of mine just picked up some new wheels. He loaned them to me for yesterday's bunch ride,

That's some friend!

 

[Fiemme]

That's some friend!

I agree! Can he be my friend.

 

[Marva32]

Forget the friendship, can he adopt me?

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

A good friend of mine just picked up some new wheels - 45mm Enve tubulars, Alchemy hubs and Sapim bladed spokes. He loaned them to me for yesterday's bunch ride, to sum it up:

WOW!!!!

RDV - these are the best wheels I've ridden, I can see why you endorse them. I was surprised by how easy they were to control even with a 10-12 knot SE breeze. I NEED a set

Everybody needs a set of those. I have the same 45's but laced to my Edco hubs with Sapim CX-Rays, have had them since the company was called EDGE. Over the last few years I'm thoroughly convinced that ENVE makes the best carbon rims on the market.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Everybody needs a set of those. I have the same 45's but laced to my Edco hubs with Sapim CX-Rays, have had them since the company was called EDGE. Over the last few years I'm thoroughly convinced that ENVE makes the best carbon rims on the market.

Agree, best carbon rims there are but..........I don't need a set, won't make this .1 offa ton, .6 of a century rider any faster.

 

[42x16ss]

That's some friend!

LOL, yeah true! I've only known him for 15 years and he was sitting next to me the entire ride. TBF I am genuinely interested in buying a set - even more so now

 

[TexPat]

No carbon for me either.

Alloy nipples, though! Just to thumb my nose at RdV. Magical ride. 36 spoke 3X 15/17 with 27mm Pave tubs.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

Nice wheels Pat! Pre-Nemesis, very cool!! Ironically enough I just applied base coat #1 of glue on my Nemesis hooped wheels today for some 25mm Conti Comps.

As per the ENVE discussion, maybe I should've rephrased that "everybody needs a set" to, "everyone that races needs a set."