hmmm ... if there is one thing USADAs case against Armstrong has taught me it is that there is no level playing field even if 'most of the top riders on competing teams were also doing'. Surely Horner's own experience upon moving from Lotto to Discovery / Astana should dispell such thinking?ManInFull said:He didn't see anything out of the ordinary because what he saw is what he expected and is what he believes most of the top riders on competing teams were also doing
You can say that again.The other McHoy said:Chris, as most of you would agree, has always been a likeable fellow. I have met him on several occasions. For what it's worth, he was a great believer in cycling having turned a corner after Rasmussen/men in black summer. He claimed that the peloton had cleaned up and that his improving results were due to this. He claimed if you studied his figures for several years there was no big improvement on his part (I have no idea if this is true or not so open to being told otherwise). Having watched him compete with the best in the world in April-May and then being easily dropped in July by the same guys I always thought he was telling the truth - that he kept steady while others made massive leaps forward just when it mattered.
Something else he told me, which was of interest to me at least, is that he didn't work with any coaches - no links with the likes of Ferarri, Fuentes etc. That in itself would be unusual for a top-level doper as the coach/mentor is normally the key link in the doping chain with USP/Discovery/Radioshack riders.
Maybe he lied to me, maybe he was turned by the money or maybe he really is just the one nice guy who kept himself to himself and ignored all the BS around him.
If guilty, it seems strange to me that the USADA dished up no dirt on him whatsoever or that he hasn't felt the need to confess before someone else does it for him. His team mates who testified did so because they had too, why wasn't Chris compelled to do likewise?
I retain some hope that he told the truth.
That doesn't mean to say I believe him in saying what he is saying now - I'm sure he knew fine well what was going on but chose to ignore it. A Shaccontract that forbids speaking out about it perhaps?
I don't remember any specific examples, but there's definitely been some talk about Horner looking down on non-Americans (or perhaps non-Anglos, I'm not sure).cineteq said:Can you give me an example? I'm asking because I would've picked up on that really quick.
Maybe that's why he's called Redneck? Although, he lives in San Diego, where the Mexican population is huge.hrotha said:I don't remember any specific examples, but there's definitely been some talk about Horner looking down on non-Americans (or perhaps non-Anglos, I'm not sure).
Horner is pulling an Oliver North. Unless the question is ultra specific he is going to be able to say he saw nothing. If you ask about a certain rider on a certain team Saturn, Mercury or Saunier he is able to say nothing.zigmeister said:So where is Horner named as a user of EPO? Accused by anyone?
Because he doesn't jump up and down screaming he saw people doping, he somehow has no credibility and should be banned from the sport, when he may have kept himself separated from many things and people?
You know quarterbacks and centers don't hang out and go to each others houses for dinner every night with their families right? But they somehow come together to work out a plan and compete and make things work, weekly practice and such. Doesn't mean they know each other's schlong size from showers together, nor care to.
Oh wait, Brunyeel actually tried to stop Horner from riding and competing a good portion of the year on RS...so obviously Horner and Bruyneel are best of buddies and he knows more than he leads on.
yeah but he could have kept his mouth shut like the rest of them.roundabout said:Ultimately, as cynical as it sounds, I can't imagine any rider who is employed at the top level publicly saying that "yes, there's doping on teams that I rode for"
Unless a big bad ADA comes calling or worse the police, they will deny and hope that they can get away with not mentioning their past.
Edit: I suppose it's better suited to the reactions from the peloton thread, but I am not going to spam it