When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

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Jun 15, 2009
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58teeth said:
Something tells me that if Wonderboy were still around, this is the type of performances we'd see from him. Maybe he just gave everything he had in his basement to Grandpa.
Actally Horner is his clone since LA isn´t allowed to ride anymore. That is LA´s revenge. He is still riding. He fooled us all...
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Actally Horner is his clone since LA isn´t allowed to ride anymore. That is LA´s revenge. He is still riding. He fooled us all...
Exactly my thoughts too. LA is having a BIG laugh. I had the last laugh is what he is saying.
 
You people just aren't objective.

It's clear Horner has always been this good, he just wasn't able to show it because the aero drag from his ponytail slowed him down.

Honestly people, it's so obvious, how could you miss it?
 
Mar 10, 2009
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Moose McKnuckles said:
Foxy's on a roll not seen since Booger's "Germans invaded Pearl Harbor" soliloquy.
Agreed. Like watching a train wreck into a volcano in the midst of a Category V hurricane.

Bluto Blutarsky, not Booger, BTW. :p
 
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The reason Horner is so good is this. In Oregon they didn't have roads so he didn't ride a bike until his mid 20's. When he did ride his bike he was chased by Lions and Tigers and stuff. He moved to Europe and got a nasty random disease from the European cheese(which comes and goes when needed). He had to go back home and free from European Cheese Illness he destroyed the fields at US races. The Doctors tested him and said the disease(ECI) had gone and he could go back to Europe and here we are, but being so close to European Cheese he could get ill again at any time.
 
BYOP88 said:
The reason Horner is so good is this. In Oregon they didn't have roads so he didn't ride a bike until his mid 20's. When he did ride his bike he was chased by Lions and Tigers and stuff. He moved to Europe and got a nasty random disease from the European cheese(which comes and goes when needed). He had to go back home and free from European Cheese Illness he destroyed the fields at US races. The Doctors tested him and said the disease(ECI) had gone and he could go back to Europe and here we are, but being so close to European Cheese he could get ill again at any time.
Horner was born in Japan.
It's all the godzilla radiation
 
Jun 19, 2009
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Actally Horner is his clone since LA isn´t allowed to ride anymore. That is LA´s revenge. He is still riding. He fooled us all...
You are entirely wrong. This is Horner's revenge on a rider that messed with much of his career via LA's control over the American scene. While Horner's very irritating public support of Lance should be defined as what it was: holding the company line to guarantee his paycheck. I don't think Horner ever liked or admired Armstrong. Armstrong certainly only endures sycophants and unicorn-lovers. He was a total d*ck to Horner and any other talented American.

If anything this would serve to invalidate Armstrong's results. As I've witnessed and contested for years: given identical "support" Horner was always a better rider than Armstrong. There were many others as well and this should serve to place Armstrong where he should be in history: a manipulated chemistry experiment and above-average athlete.
 
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neineinei said:
But Armstrong is quiet?
Of course he is. Lance knew he could make a comeback because Horner and Bottle were on the same program he was. They were the guinea pigs. All three were at peak, roughly the same. Kloden was better than all of them in 2009.

Horner was making every excuse in the book for why they were getting shelled out by Schleck and Contador in 2010 and now? Yeah, he'd annihilate both.

Horner in 2009 IMO should have gotten the final Astana Tour spot...Lance got the position Chris should have. Now there is no Johan, no Schleck's setting the tone, Chris gets his go. Thing is Horner, Lance, Bottle and Kloden all yo-yo-ed. Take the 2010 ToC...crap all of them. Why? Floyd showed up and was talking. Then 2011, Horner and Bottle were in another league.

This Vuelta is simply a culmination of that insane level of doping extended and combined now with some of the 'marginal gains' Sky found that season and put to use over 3 weeks rather than 7-8 days. With one benefit...no distractions or bigger fish getting in Horner's way. He might be the dumbest and oldest GT winner ever. I hope the guys laughing find it funny now, because it is going to degrade to putrid levels now.

Sky really have done cycling a major disservice. Horner has as well. Equilibrium and the natural level of doping have been rapidly shifted. It's going to get a lot worse. Tony Martin should have a crack at being a GC man. Why not? Another Indurain would be swell!
 
Galic Ho said:
Of course he is. Lance knew he could make a comeback because Horner and Bottle were on the same program he was. They were the guinea pigs. All three were at peak, roughly the same. Kloden was better than all of them in 2009.

Horner was making every excuse in the book for why they were getting shelled out by Schleck and Contador in 2010 and now? Yeah, he'd annihilate both.

Horner in 2009 IMO should have gotten the final Astana Tour spot...Lance got the position Chris should have. Now there is no Johan, no Schleck's setting the tone, Chris gets his go. Thing is Horner, Lance, Bottle and Kloden all yo-yo-ed. Take the 2010 ToC...crap all of them. Why? Floyd showed up and was talking. Then 2011, Horner and Bottle were in another league.

This Vuelta is simply a culmination of that insane level of doping extended and combined now with some of the 'marginal gains' Sky found that season and put to use over 3 weeks rather than 7-8 days. With one benefit...no distractions or bigger fish getting in Horner's way. He might be the dumbest and oldest GT winner ever. I hope the guys laughing find it funny now, because it is going to degrade to putrid levels now.

Sky really have done cycling a major disservice. Horner has as well. Equilibrium and the natural level of doping have been rapidly shifted. It's going to get a lot worse. Tony Martin should have a crack at being a GC man. Why not? Another Indurain would be swell!




Well he said he'll do so by losing weight after this season:D
We have seen this before. haven't we:D
 
Jun 18, 2009
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Ferminal said:
Plenty of people have asked the question, no real answers yet... how does age affect ability. If the difference between 35 and 42 is only ~1% then that can easily be made up by taking a few more risks than the others when it comes to needles.

As said a few posts above, it wouldn't matter what age Horner is, his performances are off the charts and obvious doping. The whole age thing is poorly understood but seems some need to use it as part of the justification.
Agree with all of the that. His age is a tiny fraction of the ridiculousness, enough that it's not even worth mentioning. The real reason you don't see a ton of 42 yr old pros is that guys just get tired of it. Horner strikes me as a guy who will never stop racing, ever. He loves racing more than anyone I've ever seen. I bet he'll go from a 48 year euro pro to a 49 year old going back to try and win Redlands, then maybe racing cross full-time.

While there's a slight loss in vo2 as one ages, the effects are small. Also the studies available tend to look at untrained subjects, not guys who are still active. Whatever detrimental effects his age has on his performance, it's more than offset by the fact that he's carried an awfully light race schedule over the last couple of years. Even with all of the top guys juiced, guys still get tired. Whether real or contrived, he has a lot of "knee injuries" that keep him from racing a lot. That's a pretty big advantage he has going for him, that would more than offset a 1% loss in vo2.

I seriously doubt there's any new and improved doping going on. I agree with Rasmussen: he's not doping, well, anymore than he used to...

As far as this being 'sudden form', I have to say that his comments on the subject reflect my own thoughts. He's had this ridiculous form plenty of times. Thing is, he's a stage racer who's not a great TT'r, so that doesn't give him a lot of options. He also can't sprint, so that's going to limit his options for big wins, unlike a guy like Dan Martin or Hesjedal--guys who can climb but have some pop. Lastly, he's always been a legit "team player". Again, unlike someone like Hesjedal who rode at 90% in the team role, hoping for his chance, Horner always sold out in that role (Lotto, RS). Really not the best thing for career advancement or to get results.

In other words, his ridiculous form is no more ridiculous than it's been in the past, IMO. And it's no more ridiculous than the form of Nibali or Valverde, et al.
 
FoxxyBrown1111, we all know Horner is doping so why didn't you go at Froome the same way. This is an American thing you have in your soul. Your loosing your objectivity. You don't have to convince us that Horner is doping. It is really silly.
 
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Can somebody explain the Horner defenders? It's Lance all over again. "Show me where/how Horner doped", "Horner's worked hard his entire career to get to this point!", "He was well-rested!", etc. "Biological passport"! is the new "Passed 500 tests!". These f'n true believers. Did you learn nothing?!?!?!

Watching bike racing I feel like the wife who knows her husband is cheating but doesn't mind so long as he's somewhat discreet and allows the wife the chance to pretend things are okay. At least don't make it blatantly obvious. Maybe hide it a little? With Horner's win, there's no way one can even pretend things aren't horribly, horribly off.

Sky/Wiggins/Froome were bad but this is off-the-charts ridiculous.
 
Jun 18, 2009
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delleErbe said:
Can somebody explain the Horner defenders?
Can someone point to any posters who don't think he's completely jacked?

delleErbe said:
Sky/Wiggins/Froome were bad but this is off-the-charts ridiculous.
when you compare lifetime GT results of Horner to Wigans/Froome, the ridiculousness scale really isn't even close. Horner was never a gruppetto rider, unlike both Sky riders.
 
Oldman said:
You are entirely wrong. This is Horner's revenge on a rider that messed with much of his career via LA's control over the American scene. While Horner's very irritating public support of Lance should be defined as what it was: holding the company line to guarantee his paycheck. I don't think Horner ever liked or admired Armstrong. Armstrong certainly only endures sycophants and unicorn-lovers. He was a total d*ck to Horner and any other talented American.

If anything this would serve to invalidate Armstrong's results. As I've witnessed and contested for years: given identical "support" Horner was always a better rider than Armstrong. There were many others as well and this should serve to place Armstrong where he should be in history: a manipulated chemistry experiment and above-average athlete.
If anything this would serve to invalidate Armstrong's results?

Armstrong's results have already been invalidated, Horner didn't have to go full genius on the Vuelta to achieve that.
 
Nov 29, 2009
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Rumour has that -----

Christophe Moreau has signed for FDJ

Iban Mayo for the new Alfonso Team

and Jan Ulrich for Nettap

providing they can use the Radio Shack/ Team Sky sports drinks !!!
 
Jun 15, 2009
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Bavarianrider said:
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Well he said he'll do so by losing weight after this season:D
We have seen this before. haven't we:D
And he still has 13 to 15 peak years ahead of him. He now dominates TT´s, then he wins his 5 or 6 GT´s, and may later he´ll try a sprint career. It´s a bright future ahead of us, since cyclists can improve from nowhere to GT champs at age 40+.
Degenkolb and Kittel were/are both good ITTlers, now they sprint, bring in some nice smooth evolution and they will be GT contenders when 40.

I can dream big, this whole new clean era makes everything possible. I believe in miracles like TdF 2023
1. Kittel
2. Martin
3. Degenkolb
4. Dekker Tifosi
5. Chad Haga
 
delleErbe said:
Can somebody explain the Horner defenders? It's Lance all over again. "Show me where/how Horner doped", "Horner's worked hard his entire career to get to this point!", "He was well-rested!", etc. "Biological passport"! is the new "Passed 500 tests!". These f'n true believers. Did you learn nothing?!?!?!

Watching bike racing I feel like the wife who knows her husband is cheating but doesn't mind so long as he's somewhat discreet and allows the wife the chance to pretend things are okay. At least don't make it blatantly obvious. Maybe hide it a little? With Horner's win, there's no way one can even pretend things aren't horribly, horribly off.

Sky/Wiggins/Froome were bad but this is off-the-charts ridiculous.
Who are all these people that are saying Horner is not doping? Because I have not seen more than, well haven't seen anyone making that claim.
Sky/Wigans/Froome/let's add Porte here winning everything in sight for a year and a half and then with a couple exceptions coming right back down to earth right after a test for the latest wonder drug starts actually catching one or 2 is less ridiculous?:rolleyes:

Edit: After following that link to the Stage 20 story on the front page, wow those people are still out there, but why don't you go argue with them? You are preaching to the choir in here, well other than your claim that Froome is somehow less of a doper than Horner.
 

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