When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

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Von Mises said:
It wasnt FoxxyBrown1111 who made stupid comparison, it was FGL with his Nibali and Tour of Poland reference. Foxxy only replied with LeMond example. Obviously he is not saying that LeMond was grupetto rider, he is just showing how stupid this Nibali-Tour of Poland link is.
You are right I suppose, I should have used the great Brixia Tour as a reference. My bad.

But, lets get serious, is it a wonder when a proven stage racer like Nibali gets into shape in the space of four weeks? Dont think so, apart from the doping question.

Is it a wonder when a grupetto rider becomes a GT killer in the space of two weeks time? I do think so, yes.

Is Chris Horner a wonder? Hell yeah. But, he was rested, totally focussed, weak field etc etc ;)

he is just showing how stupid this Nibali-Tour of Poland link is
Guess you just seemed to have missed the word ''hypocrite'' dear Foxxy used? You know, Foxxy, the defender of a rider who had bilharzia treatment with pills that basicly kill everything in the body and yet that same rider was able to win the Tour of Oman three/four weeks later with some electric cycling? Speaking of wonders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PLsYipgM1-_1PJuoC8f2MCARNTWPGA6qJA&v=ecJRZeyCg2o#t=1320

versus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=prnp4YRv96U#t=1635

Same comedy gold.
 
Von Mises said:
It wasnt FoxxyBrown1111 who made stupid comparison, it was FGL with his Nibali and Tour of Poland reference. Foxxy only replied with LeMond example. Obviously he is not saying that LeMond was grupetto rider, he is just showing how stupid this Nibali-Tour of Poland link is.
I understand all that. The idea that the comments about Nibali were in any way as preposterous as his intentionally preposterous response RE: LeMond...is preposterous.
 
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Ferminal said:
Pretty mind-blowing, fails to realise that doping to train is just as if not more important than doping to race.
Of course, but thankfully there were OOC tests in the 80's......oh wait. :rolleyes:
 
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Cycle Chic said:
Just reading Vande Veldes affidavit...at point 43.

Dr Del Moral's office in Valencia....now isn't that where Horner went after the final stage of the Vuelta ??

Banned for life - but where's Moral now and whats he doing ? anyone know ?
del moral and valencia. did you need to read van de velde's affidavit for that?
it's common knowledge that errani and ferrer got their gear from del moral in valencia. it's also common knowledge that matt white resides in valencia and that he brought trent lowe there to get his gear from del moral.
so del moral and valencia is old news.

horner's stop in valencia after the vuelat has been pointed out previously with the same insinuations. yes, his stop there could be doping related, but doesn't have to be del moral, i guess.
 
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
You are right I suppose, I should have used the great Brixia Tour as a reference. My bad.

But, lets get serious, is it a wonder when a proven stage racer like Nibali gets into shape in the space of four weeks? Dont think so, apart from the doping question.

Is it a wonder when a grupetto rider becomes a GT killer in the space of two weeks time? I do think so, yes.

Is Chris Horner a wonder? Hell yeah. But, he was rested, totally focussed, weak field etc etc ;)
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I am not interested what Foxxy said or not in past - I do not know what he has said, I have not paid attention. I just talked about your Nibali-Tour of Poland reference.

And no, it is not wonder and I am not wondering about it because I just do not have data and information to make conclusion. I do not even know what was Nibali´s shape or form during Tour of Poland. Yes, he finished 53th, but what does it show - was he out or form or maybe he just did not care and used to get some racing miles into his legs? Same applies to Lemond in 1990. He was 153th in Giro and 1st in Tour, but I do not think that his form or shape or level was 153th in Giro, it just means that he used Giro as a training ride.
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Hey, no problem. He has some GT talent. Like De Greef has. But no 41 year old injured rider can win clean, cleanish or micro doped. This guy took it hardcore BB-wise, All-in-do-or-die, like in the ToC (no testing) to reach the doped records of much younger riders in their prime.

There is no doubt he doped on another level, while it seems Nibali and Co. still took a look in their future. They can´t risk a possible ban like him.
No doubt? How do you make a statement like that? Did you ask Chris? Did you see all the **** he's gone through for the past years? Probably not ! Well, without any facts to back up your comments, why don't you keep it to yourself until you can use something more than your "educated opinion" to support your nonsense. Oh, and one last comment :

Under my personal heading, "What I hate about the internet!"

I just posted this on BICYCLING magazine after reading some of the commentary about Horner's win today:

"I Hate all the negative commentary surrounding this. The desire to taint this accomplishment is mystifying! The obvious questions are : If Chris was not doping when all around him were, why would he do it now when all eyes are on him? I don't defend people as a matter of course, but I am sick and tired of the haters hiding in dark corners of the internet distributing nonsensical and unsupported commentary, while a person such as Chris hangs it out for years on end for all to see and when opportunity meets talent and will, they ignore it and simply cast aspersions on his effort ! Simply tired of the wanna-be's and never was types typing out there dark thoughts and not be called to task!"

As I said, I don't normally respond to idiots - today I made an exception

If I could find an emoticon with a middle finger... that's what you'd be seeing.
 
Oct 16, 2010
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hrotha said:
Come on now. That's not common knowledge, that's just speculation.
which part?
matt white resides in valencia, or at least resided there up till 2012.
del moral's clinic being in valencia is old news as well.
matt white introducing lowe to del moral is also old news.
afai aware, these are three facts, but i could be wrong.
 

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sniper said:
which part?
matt white resides in valencia, or at least resided there up till 2012.
del moral's clinic being in valencia is old news as well.
matt white introducing lowe to del moral is also old news.
Yes, but you didnt just say that - you added more, which hrotha snipped to and I will highlight again.


sniper said:
del moral and valencia. did you need to read van de velde's affidavit for that?
it's common knowledge that errani and ferrer got their gear from del moral in valencia. it's also common knowledge that matt white resides in valencia and that he brought trent lowe there to get his gear from del moral.
so del moral and valencia is old news.

horner's stop in valencia after the vuelat has been pointed out previously with the same insinuations. yes, his stop there could be doping related, but doesn't have to be del moral, i guess.
That is not speculation - there is nothing to support that claim, you made that up.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Yes, but you didnt just say that - you added more, which hrotha snipped to and I will highlight again.

That is not speculation - there is nothing to support that claim, you made that up.
ok thanks, get it. agreed, that part is speculation.
 
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richardschoenberg said:
No doubt? How do you make a statement like that? Did you ask Chris? Did you see all the **** he's gone through for the past years? Probably not ! Well, without any facts to back up your comments, why don't you keep it to yourself until you can use something more than your "educated opinion" to support your nonsense. Oh, and one last comment :

Under my personal heading, "What I hate about the internet!"

I just posted this on BICYCLING magazine after reading some of the commentary about Horner's win today:

"I Hate all the negative commentary surrounding this. The desire to taint this accomplishment is mystifying! The obvious questions are : If Chris was not doping when all around him were, why would he do it now when all eyes are on him? I don't defend people as a matter of course, but I am sick and tired of the haters hiding in dark corners of the internet distributing nonsensical and unsupported commentary, while a person such as Chris hangs it out for years on end for all to see and when opportunity meets talent and will, they ignore it and simply cast aspersions on his effort ! Simply tired of the wanna-be's and never was types typing out there dark thoughts and not be called to task!"

As I said, I don't normally respond to idiots - today I made an exception

If I could find an emoticon with a middle finger... that's what you'd be seeing.
Respectfully, if you've followed cycling for more than a brief time you would question everything, including this Vuelta win.

I like Chris. I've ridden with him. Liked him for years. I don't blame him for competing.

I'm just glad he's not the same kind of A hole Lance is.

As for dark corners of the internet... The clinic isn't that.
 
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richardschoenberg said:
No doubt? How do you make a statement like that? Did you ask Chris? Did you see all the **** he's gone through for the past years? Probably not ! Well, without any facts to back up your comments, why don't you keep it to yourself until you can use something more than your "educated opinion" to support your nonsense. Oh, and one last comment :

Under my personal heading, "What I hate about the internet!"

I just posted this on BICYCLING magazine after reading some of the commentary about Horner's win today:

"I Hate all the negative commentary surrounding this. The desire to taint this accomplishment is mystifying! The obvious questions are : If Chris was not doping when all around him were, why would he do it now when all eyes are on him? I don't defend people as a matter of course, but I am sick and tired of the haters hiding in dark corners of the internet distributing nonsensical and unsupported commentary, while a person such as Chris hangs it out for years on end for all to see and when opportunity meets talent and will, they ignore it and simply cast aspersions on his effort ! Simply tired of the wanna-be's and never was types typing out there dark thoughts and not be called to task!"

As I said, I don't normally respond to idiots - today I made an exception

If I could find an emoticon with a middle finger... that's what you'd be seeing.
+1 Just read chris is releasing his bio passport data. I am sure it will satisfy some of the dark denizens but I'll bet it generates another 50 pages of nonsensical speculation and will reach what ever conclusion fits with the already established opinion of did he dope or didn't he.
 
I applaud him for doing so.

I look forward to my armchair analysis, as well as those of others much more knowledgeable.

The mere fact he is doing so strongly suggests that there is nothing of significance in there.
 

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Master50 said:
+1 Just read chris is releasing his bio passport data. I am sure it will satisfy some of the dark denizens but I'll bet it generates another 50 pages of nonsensical speculation and will reach what ever conclusion fits with the already established opinion of did he dope or didn't he.
Of course you appear to miss the very fact that he is making his BP public is because the ordinary fans have (rightly) zero faith in the system and what you attempt to dismiss as "nonsensical speculation" is perfectly valid.
 
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richardschoenberg said:
Under my personal heading, "What I hate about the internet!"

I just posted this on BICYCLING magazine after reading some of the commentary about Horner's win today:

"I Hate all the negative commentary surrounding this. The desire to taint this accomplishment is mystifying! The obvious questions are : If Chris was not doping when all around him were, why would he do it now when all eyes are on him? I don't defend people as a matter of course, but I am sick and tired of the haters hiding in dark corners of the internet distributing nonsensical and unsupported commentary, while a person such as Chris hangs it out for years on end for all to see and when opportunity meets talent and will, they ignore it and simply cast aspersions on his effort ! Simply tired of the wanna-be's and never was types typing out there dark thoughts and not be called to task!"

As I said, I don't normally respond to idiots - today I made an exception

If I could find an emoticon with a middle finger... that's what you'd be seeing.
Translation: Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. :D

Thinking Horner is doping isn't a desire to taint his victory, nor is the clinic a "dark corner of the internet." with cycling's past it's difficult to take every performance in cycling as a credible and clean performance. And when a 41 year old wins a GT in the manner he did, well if you don't question that performance at least a little then I wonder what other performances in cycling you believed were clean.

To the bolded, what does that even mean or prove? People dope to gain a competitive edge over others so they can win the big races, they don't just stop doping because eyes are suddenly on them when they win those big races.
 
Apr 20, 2012
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richardschoenberg said:
No doubt? How do you make a statement like that? Did you ask Chris? Did you see all the **** he's gone through for the past years? Probably not ! Well, without any facts to back up your comments, why don't you keep it to yourself until you can use something more than your "educated opinion" to support your nonsense. Oh, and one last comment :

Under my personal heading, "What I hate about the internet!"

I just posted this on BICYCLING magazine after reading some of the commentary about Horner's win today:

"I Hate all the negative commentary surrounding this. The desire to taint this accomplishment is mystifying! The obvious questions are : If Chris was not doping when all around him were, why would he do it now when all eyes are on him? I don't defend people as a matter of course, but I am sick and tired of the haters hiding in dark corners of the internet distributing nonsensical and unsupported commentary, while a person such as Chris hangs it out for years on end for all to see and when opportunity meets talent and will, they ignore it and simply cast aspersions on his effort ! Simply tired of the wanna-be's and never was types typing out there dark thoughts and not be called to task!"

As I said, I don't normally respond to idiots - today I made an exception

If I could find an emoticon with a middle finger... that's what you'd be seeing.
In other words, we will see you next year winning Paris - Nice?

I have stated this before;
A: Chris is one of the biggest frauds cycling has ever seen or
B: Chris is the biggest champion cycling has missed, like the Delion/van Hooijdonck guys and more.

If he is the last one, his response to the whole USADA saga is utterly dissappointing. To me that is. On the other hand, Horner could be thinking of a total different strategy. Hell, even the paladin for the next UCI president [Vaughters] is still scared sh!tless for Armstrong and his buffoons.

But, usually my eyes dont lie.

I again applaud Horner for releasing data, but it is pretty useless, it says absolutely nothing when riders stay between the offscores. It is not in the blood. I bet his offscore will not come above 100.

PS: welcome to the forum
 
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