When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

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You can right click on the broken pictures, go to properties and grab the address of each individual picture and paste them into a seperate tab and it will open each pdf.
 
Aug 12, 2009
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Zam_Olyas said:
I resent that very much, plus Nibali is italian so he is honest and clean. :p
You never cease to make me laugh Zam. Keep it up, you make the Clinic worth returning to every once in a while. :)

Benotti69 said:
Mi scuse Zam! I meant Nibali is a slave to fashion :p
Then there is this reply. Gold. Solid GOLD. Brilliant guys. Brilliant.

Mind you tonight whilst I was watching the mens chrono on the podium, when the other person I was watching with had switched their talk from how odd Wiggins looked (apparently he looks different...can't say I like his ink urggghhh) the talk went to how pretty the podium girls shoes were and then how lovely their little white dresses are.

Yeah, slave to fashion fits. Oh and the commentator wouldn't shut up about buying shoes and clothes as the final three headed past the Duomo. Yeah, fashion is the trend apparently. You guys weren't predicting this were you?
 
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A few questions as I've never looked at one of these documents before.

1. Is it normal that there is nothing in the immature reticulocyte field?
2. What is the accuracy of the numbers?
 
therhodeo said:
You can right click on the broken pictures, go to properties and grab the address of each individual picture and paste them into a seperate tab and it will open each pdf.
Yep.
Thats what I am doing right now. Going to be a sloow process


One thing from the early points.
His ret% is remarkably low.
 
Nov 8, 2012
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BroDeal said:
He must be having a hard time getting a new contract.

Let's see Froome and Wiggins and Nibbles do this.
If his passport numbers look less than 'hilarious' maybe JV will sign him

Garmin really needs a dominant GC guy.
 
Pre and during Vuelta


22.Aug
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 15.2 g/dL
hematocrit 45.4 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.5 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.5 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 100.0 fL
OFF-Score 96.70
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.54 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0386 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.85 %

29. AUg
haemoglobin 14.4 g/dL
hematocrit 42.7 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.6 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.7 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.5 fL
OFF-Score 106.53
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.29 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0167 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.39 %

03.Sep
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 13.5 g/dL
hematocrit 40.0 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.4 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.8 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.0 fL
OFF-Score 90.91
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.04 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0218 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.54 %

07.Sep
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 14.3 g/dL
hematocrit 42.9 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.0 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.3 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.1 fL
OFF-Score 98.50
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.33 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0238 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.55 %

14.Sep
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 14.6 g/dL
hematocrit 43.1 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.6 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.9 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.3 fL
OFF-Score 101.10
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.34 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0243 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.56 %


Well, his crit and haemoglobin started to rise during Vuelta.
 
Aug 12, 2009
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Zam_Olyas said:
Doping and consistent. Consistently doping.
You know I was thinking the other day a nice little pun.

VincENZO Nibali product of FERRARI

What do you get?

ENZO FERRARI!!! Just screams winning doesn't it? :p

I really don't get the angle 131313 is pushing? Nibali rub you the wrong way? Did he spit in one of your mates soup sometime? When Foxxy is bringing up an argument in this season in favour of a Southern European, and it sticks...yeah you're not helping yourself.

Face it, Horner was on some uber strong turtle blood and beetroot juice. Stronger than everyone this year by a long shot. Well above his norm. Well above everyone minus the dynamic Sky duo and that is saying something for an LA honcho.
 
Aug 12, 2009
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Von Mises said:
Pre and during Vuelta


22.Aug
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 15.2 g/dL
hematocrit 45.4 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.5 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.5 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 100.0 fL
OFF-Score 96.70
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.54 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0386 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.85 %

29. AUg
haemoglobin 14.4 g/dL
hematocrit 42.7 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.6 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.7 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.5 fL
OFF-Score 106.53
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.29 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0167 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.39 %

03.Sep
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 13.5 g/dL
hematocrit 40.0 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.4 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.8 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.0 fL
OFF-Score 90.91
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.04 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0218 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.54 %

07.Sep
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 14.3 g/dL
hematocrit 42.9 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.0 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.3 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.1 fL
OFF-Score 98.50
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.33 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0238 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.55 %

14.Sep
Biological Parameters
haemoglobin 14.6 g/dL
hematocrit 43.1 %
immature reticulocyte fraction %
mean corpuscular haemoglobin 33.6 pg
mean corpuscular haemoglobin concentration 33.9 g/dL
mean corpuscular volume 99.3 fL
OFF-Score 101.10
red cell distribution width fL
red cells 4.34 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in absolute number) 0.0243 10^6/uL
reticulocytes (in percentage) 0.56 %


Well, his crit and haemoglobin started to rise during Vuelta.
At least his Off Score isn't as comical as some of Bottle's have been. What a joke. They really need to tow the limit in. Over 95 and you're suspect. Over 100 and it's as good as done that you're doping. What's his excuse? Diarrhea?

Looks like he got at least TWO blood bags and some micro transfusions. I wonder how this compares to his ABP from the 2011 ToC? Or was that the year they weren't testing? His retic % screams of manipulation. Way too close. Looks like they've managed to fine tune this crap nicely enough to get past some knuckle heads. I'd love to hear Ashenden's opinion.

Note it was said on this forum 2-3 years ago when discussing how blood doping works (older threads) that the parameters are WAY TOO LENIENT. Nobodies crit level starts that high, drops and then comes back. Pure manipulation. It's a joke. Oh and they weren't testing in Utah were they so a valid reference point for a month before is negligible. Horner's real crit level was probably way over 50% at start of the Vuelta. Oh well...he's got more balls than Froome does releasing this. Can't knock him for that.
 
Nov 8, 2012
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Galic Ho said:
At least his Off Score isn't as comical as some of Bottle's have been. What a joke. They really need to tow the limit in. Over 95 and you're suspect. Over 100 and it's as good as done that you're doping. What's his excuse? Diarrhea?

Looks like he got at least TWO blood bags and some micro transfusions. I wonder how this compares to his ABP from the 2011 ToC? Or was that the year they weren't testing? His retic % screams of manipulation. Way too close. Looks like they've managed to fine tune this crap nicely enough to get past some knuckle heads. I'd love to hear Ashenden's opinion.

Note it was said on this forum 2-3 years ago when discussing how blood doping works (older threads) that the parameters are WAY TOO LENIENT. Nobodies crit level starts that high, drops and then comes back. Pure manipulation. It's a joke. Oh and they weren't testing in Utah were they so a valid reference point for a month before is negligible. Horner's real crit level was probably way over 50% at start of the Vuelta. Oh well...he's got more balls than Froome does releasing this. Can't knock him for that.
The numbers are within parameters. No harm no foul.:D
 
Apr 20, 2012
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Catwhoorg said:
ret% range from 0.39 to 1.15
offscore range from 74.8 114

Now to timeline some of the odd results against races etc.
ALL well within the bandwith, no blood no foul.

Good work by Horner.

A few mini bags during the Vuelta after high altitude training. And of course not such good competition in Spain.

The blood is not the parameter for his performance. Perhaps he gave Salazar a call.

PS: you really have to be a moron to walk the off score line.
 
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looking forward to vaughters' interpretation.
if the passport cleaned up cycling, how does chris fit in?
 

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