When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

[webvan]

Couldn´t be better than riding in Italy. They don´t even go soft with their heroes (like Pantani). And they actually brought Valv-Piti down.

So if ever, the giro is the golden chance to bring this clown down...

Or: He´s afraid and thus will have zilch influence in the outcome of the giro.

Quoted for posterity...

 

[the sceptic]

"Not yet" is the answer actually. His continued employment probably even increases the chance of him getting caught eventually.

There is no more evidence Horner is doping than Sky, so how can you be so sure he is doping?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Couldn´t be better than riding in Italy. They don´t even go soft with their heroes (like Pantani). And they actually brought Valv-Piti down.

So if ever, the giro is the golden chance to bring this clown down...

Or: He´s afraid and thus will have zilch influence in the outcome of the giro.

If Horner is on serious performance pay, he will go all in immediately. Nothing to lose imo.

 

[roundabout]

Maybe he already has a multi-year deal with scuderia Alonso. No point in risking getting busted

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Maybe he already has a multi-year deal with scuderia Alonso. No point in risking getting busted

You know the situation is getting so absurd, perhaps you right. 3 year deal from '15 with Alonso.

 

[The Hitch]

Why not the tdf ?

And no dumb arguments like - cos rui Costa is doing it. Just because Wiggins and lance said once that teams can only have 1 leader (when they wanted to eliminate competition) does not make it true.

 

[DirtyWorks]

There is no more evidence Horner is doping than Sky, so how can you be so sure he is doping?

Horner is "never tested positive." He's not doping because there's no case.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ers-published-biological-passport-values.aspx

As long as Horner stays on his current doping program he's "never tested positive." He knows it.

The among a number of freight-ship-sized holes in the bio-passports is grand tour testing. The system is not set up to catch Horners at grand tours. So, he can magically produce enormous power at a grand tour and then go hide in the peloton using excuses like "I'm returning the favor so I'm working for XYZ at ABC race" the rest of the year.

**Tangent alert***
This is the "why" behind veloclinic's concept of using power as evidence of doping. A clean rider will produce similar power throughout the year obviously with some variance. Dopers who respond well to their regimen, we know, have much more extreme variance in power output.

 

[BroDeal]

This is great news. Ever since Team Sky ruined professional cycling, there has not been much too cheer about. Now is the time to forget about doping. The war has been lost. It is the time to embrace those who race under your own flag (even if they were born in a country thousands of miles away from your shores. grew up in a second country, and live in a third), no matter how juiced they are. In fact, the more jacked the better. Since cycling's future is a jingoistic dope-a-thon, it is time for the Americans to show the Brits how it is done.

Horner, fcuk yeah!
Comin' again to save the motherfcukin' day, yeah.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

A clean rider will produce similar power throughout the year obviously with some variance. Dopers who respond well to their regimen, we know, have much more extreme variance in power output.

Or just "train" really hard and only race twice a year.

 

[proffate]

**Tangent alert***
This is the "why" behind veloclinic's concept of using power as evidence of doping. A clean rider will produce similar power throughout the year obviously with some variance. Dopers who respond well to their regimen, we know, have much more extreme variance in power output.

This might be generally true but isn't it possible for a clean rider to have wild variance? A lot of the retired pros in my area get into and out of shape really quickly. I assume this is an effect of mixing natural aptitude and "laziness".

I mean during a grand tour, steadiness of power is a sign of doping, not cleanliness. It would make sense that a clean rider comes out of the TdF with a very different fitness level than they go into it with (either greater or lesser depending on their natural powers of recovery).

Assuming we know a rider is clean, are you saying it's impossible that he could follow a training/detraining schedule that would lead to large variances in power?

 

[Benotti69]

This is great news. Ever since Team Sky ruined professional cycling, there has not been much too cheer about. Now is the time to forget about doping. The war has been lost. It is the time to embrace those who race under your own flag (even if they were born in a country thousands of miles away from your shores. grew up in a second country, and live in a third), no matter how juiced they are. In fact, the more jacked the better. Since cycling's future is a jingoistic dope-a-thon, it is time for the Americans to show the Brits how it is done.

Horner, fcuk yeah!
Comin' again to save the motherfcukin' day, yeah.

Sky didn't ruin it, it was in tatters, but they have been the biggest hypocrites since USPS.

If Horner is going to ride the Giro might as well invite Di Luca and Ricco.......

 

[BroDeal]

Sky didn't ruin it, it was in tatters, but they have been the biggest hypocrites since USPS.

If Horner is going to ride the Giro might as well invite Di Luca and Ricco.......

Porte is filling in for both of them. Horner will have his hands full.

Hopefully he has been pounding the Hygetropin flavored margaritas in SoCal.

 

[the sceptic]

Sky didn't ruin it, it was in tatters, but they have been the biggest hypocrites since USPS.

If Horner is going to ride the Giro might as well invite Di Luca and Ricco.......

Sky turned back the clock to 1999. They showed the rest of the peloton that you have to become a mutant if you want to be competitive.

The speeds were slower before sky came along. 2013 was ridiculous, and I bet 2014 will be even worse.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I think it all changed with Horner winning the ToC, and after that Sky came along. That remains a fact, no matter if the clinic likes it or not.
Horner & RSH started the arms race again (if it ever stopped).

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I'm downright giddy Horner got a contract, shall we bet on how long before he gets injured? (Not that I wish that on him, or any other rider, for that matter. But still...)

Also, shall we bet on when, and if, he gets busted for doping this season?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

This is great news. Ever since Team Sky ruined professional cycling, there has not been much too cheer about. Now is the time to forget about doping. The war has been lost. It is the time to embrace those who race under your own flag (even if they were born in a country thousands of miles away from your shores. grew up in a second country, and live in a third), no matter how juiced they are. In fact, the more jacked the better. Since cycling's future is a jingoistic dope-a-thon, it is time for the Americans to show the Brits how it is done.

Horner, fcuk yeah!
Comin' again to save the motherfcukin' day, yeah.

Its going to be the good old days again.

So Horner's dancing on the pedals for 45 minutes and Froome's wind up doll accelerations. 40 days of of circus.

 

[del1962]

i see all the cowboys are shouting yee haa with horner, waving their guns and saying its all Sky's fault

 

[BroDeal]

i see all the cowboys are shouting yee haa with horner, waving their guns and saying its all Sky's fault

When federal investigators were on the trail of Armstrong, there was an opportunity to change cycling. After the Festina affair, riders dialed back during the Tour. There was a fraction of the EPO use in 1999 than in 1998. Armstrong saw the respite as an opportunity to gain a large advantage. For a while as the Armstrong affair was head toward its conclusion, there was a chance for the sport to take a different road. Vaughters was talking about speeds being reduced from what they were during the EPO era. He is not saying that anymore. Just like Armstrong, Sky saw opportunity and pushed the pedal to the floorboards. Everyone else now has to follow suit.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

i see all the cowboys are shouting yee haa with horner, waving their guns and saying its all Sky's fault

Actually they hide behind the shield Sky. Giving them a reason why the great Horner is forced to dope. It´s so childish... If they could step forward and say yes "I am a Horner fanboy", yes "I like an american to win at all costs", I could accept.
Guys just be honest; You are not against doping. You are against doping of riders from other countries which prevent doping wins for americans. The simple sad truth. It all comes down to this stupid nationalism...

 

[Ferminal]

Amerika **** yeh. Horner all the way!

 

[hiero2]

When federal investigators were on the trail of Armstrong, there was an opportunity to change cycling. After the Festina affair, riders dialed back during the Tour. There was a fraction of the EPO use in 1999 than in 1998. Armstrong saw the respite as an opportunity to gain a large advantage. For a while as the Armstrong affair was head toward its conclusion, there was a chance for the sport to take a different road. Vaughters was talking about speeds being reduced from what they were during the EPO era. He is not saying that anymore. Just like Armstrong, Sky saw opportunity and pushed the pedal to the floorboards. Everyone else now has to follow suit.

yeah. After the Festina affair. Riders dialed back. Yeah. And what you've just said has been validated by number of ppl who were there. Of course, we have nothing else to go on - but anecdotal validation in this case is better than nothing. Amof, I think it is pretty good evidence.

"Armstrong saw this as an opportunity" - well, I think history bears this out.

But "Sky saw opportunity"? Well - this is the biggest maybe. You've got decent support for what goes previously, but little, or none, for this. This is not a decided, nor adjudicated, matter. It is much in question.

We will see. History will tell.

 

[hiero2]

Actually they hide behind the shield Sky. Giving them a reason why the great Horner is forced to dope. It´s so childish... If they could step forward and say yes "I am a Horner fanboy", yes "I like an american to win at all costs", I could accept.
Guys just be honest; You are not against doping. You are against doping of riders from other countries which prevent doping wins for americans. The simple sad truth. It all comes down to this stupid nationalism...

No. I've been a Horner supporter in the past, thinking he was underrated. However, a couple of years ago, I began to doubt. Last year? I am in a state of extreme doubt. I haven't condemned Horner, but I would be happier if he did not get a contract this year, and was forced into retirement.

Thinking doping as a nationistic impulse? Not.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Actually they hide behind the shield Sky. Giving them a reason why the great Horner is forced to dope. It´s so childish... If they could step forward and say yes "I am a Horner fanboy", yes "I like an american to win at all costs", I could accept.
Guys just be honest; You are not against doping. You are against doping of riders from other countries which prevent doping wins for americans. The simple sad truth. It all comes down to this stupid nationalism...

agree w heiro here foxy

I don't believe in Horner…it doesn't matter to me if 'an American' is winning…I don't really care what country a winner is from. Horner should have retired!
now we will see what comes up after this year..

I wish he would have just gone away...

 

[Master50]

Actually they hide behind the shield Sky. Giving them a reason why the great Horner is forced to dope. It´s so childish... If they could step forward and say yes "I am a Horner fanboy", yes "I like an american to win at all costs", I could accept.
Guys just be honest; You are not against doping. You are against doping of riders from other countries which prevent doping wins for americans. The simple sad truth. It all comes down to this stupid nationalism...

I am a Canadian and I am a fan of Chris Horner. go you Yankee rider go. I like him especially because he is old as riders go.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

No. I've been a Horner supporter in the past, thinking he was underrated. However, a couple of years ago, I began to doubt. Last year? I am in a state of extreme doubt. I haven't condemned Horner, but I would be happier if he did not get a contract this year, and was forced into retirement.

Thinking doping as a nationistic impulse? Not.

I didn´t meant you personally (or @ mewmewmew13). More of the guys who started gay jokes in the Froome thread and worship Horner here. You know the hypocrites...

I have yet to hear from them how they explain Horners ToC 2011 (which was such grotesque that a new thread was dedicated to him back then) performance when Sky wasn´t even in sight of any tour domination...