"When you have class, you cannot lose" - Vinokourov

[Hugh Januss]

But your moms bedroom is all ****ed up!
quote edited by mod

The Lance Armstrong of turrets syndrome speaks....

 

[Anonymous]

The Lance Armstrong of turrets syndrome speaks....

"thanks" ............................................

 

[Ripper]

Holy crap folks, this thread has fallen apart!

Again, and I mean this as a literal translation from Kazakmania (it is not code) ...

CLASS = FERRARI

I think the Vino is working with the F-Man again.

 

[Bala Verde]

OK guys stop the verbal abuse otherwise the thread is over.

 

[Anonymous]

OK guys stop the verbal abuse otherwise the thread is over.

ok my bad ..

8 beers and looking for a spat...

my apologies...even to you huge anu

 

[Hugh Januss]

OK guys stop the verbal abuse otherwise the thread is over.

Oh wow. you are a moderator now? Does that mean TFF will be next?

 

[Mellow Velo]

OK guys stop the verbal abuse otherwise the thread is over.

Congratulations on your promotion!
(hope they don't make you live here, from now on.)

 

[craig1985]

Oh wow. you are a moderator now? Does that mean TFF will be next?

Mention "Lance Armstrong" and cop a 6 month ban.

 

[dolophonic]

Ludwig +1.
Vino is great rider. Dope or no dope.
There may be riders who never doped, doesn't mean they have "class".

 

[Anonymous]

Class
–adjective. Informal. of high quality, integrity, status, or style: class players on a mediocre team.

doesnt have to be all of them... no doubting vino has style, or "class"

 

[Digger]

Ludwig +1.
Vino is great rider. Dope or no dope.
There may be riders who never doped, doesn't mean they have "class".

How do you know he is a great rider? When his career was built on doping.

 

[aarnold517]

wow first Alpe and now Bala...and i can say i knew them way back when before they were big and famous...congrats fellas

 

[krebs303]

Vinokourov says Kashechkin a risk for Astana

Vinokourov says Kashechkin a risk for Astana
"McQuaid was opposed to Kashechkin being part of Astana. The team said he had told them 'you already have a racer who will have recently returned from suspension', referring to me," said Vinokourov.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinokourov-says-kashechkin-a-risk-for-astana

 

[Kennf1]

Vinokourov says Kashechkin a risk for Astana
"McQuaid was opposed to Kashechkin being part of Astana. The team said he had told them 'you already have a racer who will have recently returned from suspension', referring to me," said Vinokourov.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinokourov-says-kashechkin-a-risk-for-astana

I'll say one thing for Vino- he does make me laugh.

 

[craig1985]

Vinokourov says Kashechkin a risk for Astana
"McQuaid was opposed to Kashechkin being part of Astana. The team said he had told them 'you already have a racer who will have recently returned from suspension', referring to me," said Vinokourov.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinokourov-says-kashechkin-a-risk-for-astana

I guess Kash can say hello to the black list. I guess somebody had to have been made a scapegoat out of this.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Reminds me of Roberto Heras. Really sucks for Kashi. Though I'm convinced he doped, he served his suspension, and was what seemed like a potential talent. As Craig says, someone is going to take more heat than others here, in order to make it look like the powers that be are serious. Just surprised Vino is deflecting that on Kash.

wow first Alpe and now Bala...and i can say i knew them way back when before they were big and famous...congrats fellas

Actually, only about three people on here knew me before this forum existed, though a few others made some good guesses. Only one person on here actually knows me in person, that I know of, though I feel like I know several of you.

 

[craig1985]

Reminds me of Roberto Heras. Really sucks for Kashi. Though I'm convinced he doped, he served his suspension, and was what seemed like a potential talent. As Craig says, someone is going to take more heat than others here, in order to make it look like the powers that be are serious. Just surprised Vino is deflecting that on Kash.



Actually, only about three people on here knew me before this forum existed, though a few others made some good guesses. Only one person on here actually knows me in person, that I know of, though I feel like I know several of you.

I guess that is why Heras was not allowed back, he had to take the wrap for Manolo Saiz.

 

[Polish]

ex-postal omerta dopers

I guess that is why Heras was not allowed back, he had to take the wrap for Manolo Saiz.

Taking the "rap" for someone is part of the Omerrrta Code of Honor.
We do not take kindly to that behavior here in the CLINIC grrrrrrrr.
Will you soon be pitying Floyd for taking the rap for Bruyneel?

Heras is just another Ex-Postal doper, really no honor in that. Right?

 

[Polish]

Give me a break please

Reminds me of Roberto Heras. Really sucks for Kashi. Though I'm convinced he doped, he served his suspension, and was what seemed like a potential talent. As Craig says, someone is going to take more heat than others here, in order to make it look like the powers that be are serious. Just surprised Vino is deflecting that on Kash.



Actually, only about three people on here knew me before this forum existed, though a few others made some good guesses. Only one person on here actually knows me in person, that I know of, though I feel like I know several of you.

Alpe, are you implying that it is OK to dope if you have potential talent??
Just be prepared to take a 2 year "sabbatical' after you are caught?

"Kashi", as you call him, blatantly cheated, lied and denied, then hid behind the "shield' of Omerta. Some might argue that he threatened the safety of cycling juniors, setting the example that he did

But he now deserves to get a 5 or 6 or 7 figure salary? Incredible.

A 2 year suspension is a joke - the teams are correct to imply their own lifetime bans on the dopers!

But watch RadioShack go and hire him......$&%#ers.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Alpe, are you implying that it is OK to dope if you have potential talent??
Just be prepared to take a 2 year "sabbatical' after you are caught?

"Kashi", as you call him, blatantly cheated, lied and denied, then hid behind the "shield' of Omerta. Some might argue that he threatened the safety of cycling juniors, setting the example that he did

But he now deserves to get a 5 or 6 or 7 figure salary? Incredible.

A 2 year suspension is a joke - the teams are correct to imply their own lifetime bans on the dopers!

But watch RadioShack go and hire him......$&%#ers.

I think you missed the point there a little bit. Why are some guys welcomed back and others banished?

 

[Polish]

I think you missed the point there a little bit. Why are some guys welcomed back and others banished?

Some have class, some don't duh.
It is the topic of this thread

 

[python]

just to clarify. there were several reliable reports that vino and kash don't get along anymore. people saw them avoiding each other during the worlds. vino's assertion that it's patty who blocks cash from joining astana should be taken with several grains of salt. another factor against kash is berto. one of his conditions for staying was no kash. don't know why. that said, kash was unfairly screwed imo. may be he deserved it but basso and vino clearly are riding for pt teams in violation of the uci's own code. that's hypocrisy imo and i like vino a lot.

 

[craig1985]

Taking the "rap" for someone is part of the Omerrrta Code of Honor.
We do not take kindly to that behavior here in the CLINIC grrrrrrrr.
Will you soon be pitying Floyd for taking the rap for Bruyneel?

Heras is just another Ex-Postal doper, really no honor in that. Right?

No. I would have a lot more respect if Flandis had just said that he did it, he felt rock bottom after bonking on the previous stage and felt he had nothing to lose. Instead he went down the whole it's a set-up nonsense. I think most people with a working brain would of told you they were not surprised Flandis did test positive. Just the same way most people will tell that Ivan Basso was uber-jacked when he won the 2006 Giro. Not even Lance won a GT by more then 10 minutes.

 

[blackcat]

Kash really is getting fucked over on the new Astana.

Why is Miller welcomed back with open arms?

Why are Kash and Vino persona non-grata? This is not about the duplication, the cumulative sum. That does not make a difference on their respective characters.

This seems to me to be out and out racism. Kashechkin and Vino getting fucked over. Personally, I am indifferent to them. But they have been marginalised as the "other".

 

[Polish]

No One EXPECTS the Spanish Inquisition

Why are Kash and Vino persona non-grata?

This seems to me to be out and out racism

Not sure if its racism as much as Religious Persecution?

Astana is the only ProTour team from a predominately Muslim Country...