Where does the Olympic Road Race rank in prestige?

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Where do you rank the Olympic Road Race?

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El Pistolero said:
I'm starting this topic to get other people's opinion about what they think is the Scala naturae of the classics/important one-day races. In other words, the Great Chain of Being. Which classic rules supreme? Which one is at the bottom?

The list:

The Monuments:

Milano- San Remo
De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Paris-Roubaix
Luik-Bastenaken-Luik
Giro di Lombardia

The other Classics:

Gent-Wevelgem
De Amstel Gold Race
La Flèche Wallone
Paris-Tours

Important One day races:

Olympic Road Race
World Championship on the Road

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My Scala Naturae:
1. Olympic Championship on the Road(depends on what profile the race is held though. Screw the 2012 Olympics).
2. World Championship on the Road(again, depends on what profile).
3.. Paris-Roubaix. L'enfer du Nord. La Reine!
4. Liège-Bastogne-Liège. La Doyenne!
5. De Ronde van Vlaanderen. Vlaanderens Mooiste!
6. Giro di Lombardia. La classica delle foglie morte!
7. La Flèche Wallone
8. Amstel Gold Race
9. Milano-San Remo. Meh! ;) OK, La Primavera
10. Paris-Tours.
11. Gent-Wevelgem(there's just something that makes me think lowly of this race)

Ps: If I forget to add a race to the list just tell me and I'll consider adding it. No semi-classics please.

Feel free to discuss if you disagree.

And on an unrelated note perhaps. What would you guys think of a special jersey for the Olympic champion? Perhaps 4 years in a cool jersey is a too big gift?

No, I didn't make this up. http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10741
 
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Fetisoff said:
Well, as far as I know Chavez is fairly popular in China. Even if he's not, this sort of ties in to the very first post I've made in this thread.
Our Canadian office is on the outskirts of Stratford, Ontario, so every ****ing dog knows Justin Beiber, of course. You get into Latin America, Eastern Europe, even Iran FFS, they be like "Justin who", but everyone knows Hugo

i just love how this thread turned into a Hugo Chavez vs Justin Bieber discussion.. **** is absurd!
and yeah, China perhaps wasn't the best example..
 
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woodenswan said:
i just love how this thread turned into a Hugo Chavez vs Justin Bieber discussion.. **** is absurd!
and yeah, China perhaps wasn't the best example..

Well, it's a nice little break from most threads turning into Cav or Andy bashing
 
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Fetisoff said:
What about 2008?

Like I said, changed my opinion since then. I think in terms of prestige(that doesn't mean how much media attention the winner gets) the Olympics is about the same level as a Monument, that's why I chose the second voting option.

The reason why I find the World championship the most prestigious event these days is because it has a jersey. And to ride a whole year with a special jersey gives you a special status in the peloton. Every race you ride the crowds will know you're the world champion, you can't miss it. Now if the Olympic champion got a special jersey(Paolo Bettini actually had one, but wasn't allowed to wear it) for four years then I might change my opinion again, but we all know that's not going to happen.

Also the problem with the Olympic event will always be its history. How do you explain someone that the greatest cyclists of all times never won the Olympics or got a medal in it? Eddy Merckx, Roger de Vlaeminck, Freddy Maertens, Gimondi, Fausto Coppi, Bartali, Jacques Anquetil, Bernard Hinault, etc

I also think what makes an event prestigious is the route it has(hence why I said screw the Olympics of 2012). A cycling event needs an iconic and special route to be more prestigious. Ronde has its cobbled hills like the Muur van Geraardsbergen(not anymore but oh well) and the Oude Kwaremont, Roubaix its brutally hard cobbled sectors like the Carrefour de L'arbre, Milan-San Remo has the Poggio(every cycling fan knows the Poggio), etc

Also the crowds add to the prestige of a race. I just love seeing the crowds go wild in races like the Ronde van Vlaanderen and Paris-Roubaix. At the 2008 Olympics there were no real crowds. No one in China cared about the cycling event and it showed. It detracts from the prestige of such an event.

All these things considered, I just can't call the Olympics the biggest prize in cycling. ;)
 
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The Hitch said:
Ive been arguing that orr is way more important than the monuments, ive stayed away from the worlds precisely because that is a different kettle of fish.

What? You laughed at Alessandro Ballan for getting third in Roubaix as if he was some third tier cyclist. :rolleyes:

And you just voted that it's possibly the biggest prize in cycling. That means you think it can even fight with the Tour de France.
 
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El Pistolero said:
I think in terms of prestige(that doesn't mean how much media attention the winner gets) the Olympics is about the same level as a Monument, that's why I chose the second voting option.

Hmm, I guess I misinterpreted your posts, i thought you were arguing for the third option. I guess we're actually in some sort of agreement here. Except for the fact that Hugo Chavez >>> Justin Beiber
 
El Pistolero said:
And you just voted that it's possibly the biggest prize in cycling. That means you think it can even fight with the Tour de France.

I love these open goals.

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The Hitch said:
So if I think its just below the Tour but way way way above the monuments, i vote...

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spalco said:
Sorry, I didn't want to put in too many options to ensure a clear conclusion. Just vote for whatever comes closest in your opinion.


Keep em coming ;)
 
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Well, you said the Olympics were better than the Worlds in that post. ;)

"it's just below the Tour". Which means that it's the event closest to the Tour.

And way way way way above Monuments? Just being curious here, how many Monuments do you think an Olympic road race is worth? :eek:
 
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OK, just for the hell of it (since there's another 15 minutes till the hockey game starts and I'm bored) - don't wanna start a new thread, since I'm sure there's a few like that buried somewhere, how would you rank let's say TDF, WC, ORR, Giro, Vuelta, Monument wins?
 
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Fetisoff said:
OK, just for the hell of it (since there's another 15 minutes till the hockey game starts and I'm bored) - don't wanna start a new thread, since I'm sure there's a few like that buried somewhere, how would you rank let's say TDF, WC, ORR, Giro, Vuelta, Monument wins?

Tour de France
Giro d'Italia
World Championship cycling
Paris-Roubaix
Liège-Bastogne-Liège/Ronde van Vlaanderen(can't really decide anymore)
Milan-San Remo(last few editions weren't a bunch sprint anymore, so my opinion of this race sky rocketed)
Giro di Lombardia

I honestly don't know where to put the Vuelta. I don't have a high opinion of the race although on the other hand it will be the return of Contador, but still... Let's just say it depends on the field that will be there. It already has the best rider of the world, so they're off to a good start.

As for where I place the Olympics, like I said, it depends a bit on the route and the crowds that will be there. I'd put it somewhere between the Monuments I guess.

But if someone wins his fifth Roubaix next year then let's just say I'll rate that particular achievement above the Worlds and Giro. :) He'd earn him self the most rare nickname in this sport of ours.
 
El Pistolero said:
Tour de France
Giro d'Italia
World Championship cycling
Paris-Roubaix
Liège-Bastogne-Liège/Ronde van Vlaanderen(can't really decide anymore)
Milan-San Remo(last few editions weren't a bunch sprint anymore, so my opinion of this race sky rocketed)
Giro di Lombardia

I honestly don't know where to put the Vuelta. I don't have a high opinion of the race although on the other hand it will be the return of Contador, but still...

As for where I place the Olympics, like I said, it depends a bit on the route and the crowds that will be there. I'd put it somewhere between the Monuments I guess.
But the world championship road race does not depend on the route?
 
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Olympic gold medals should only be awarded to the pure sports where no device is needed to compete. That means Cycling goes into that category. All those judged and other sports requiring something else mechanical or prop are not Olympic sports but exhibition sports. The only pass I'd give is for the baton in a relay race.

Just because countries get into the medal count hoopla with no regard to which pure sports were actually won is total BS. This goes along with the kid who wants a medal because his parents forked over a fee to play some sport category. Each year another BS sport is added just to satisfy some countries lack of medal or to pad the medal count for some country.

I'm not saying I won't watch the cycling race but there is no way the Cycling Olympic Medal is worth more than any ProTour race where there is a quality field of racers, maybe more than a stage at the Tour of Qatar or China, just maybe. Anyone thinking or hyping such a thing is just delusional and basically in the "I want a medal because my parents paid a fee for me to play a sport, even though I never showed up to practice" category.
 
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The Hitch said:
But the world championship road race does not depend on the route?

It has history and it has a jersey. 2 things that make up for it. But yes it also depends on the route, just to a lesser extent than the Olympic event because of the aforementioned reasons.

Also another thing I'd like to make clear:

Rainbow jersey > Olympic Gold
Silver medal at Worlds < Olympic Silver

I would be pretty happy if Boonen "won" a silver medal at the Olympics, but would be extremely disappointed if Phil got silver at the Worlds.

The Olympics is in my opinion the only event in the world where a second or third place matters. I don't even think that of the Tour de France.
 
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ElChingon said:
Olympic gold medals should only be awarded to the pure sports where no device is needed to compete. That means Cycling goes into that category. All those judged and other sports requiring something else mechanical or prop are not Olympic sports but exhibition sports. The only pass I'd give is for the baton in a relay race.

Just because countries get into the medal count hoopla with no regard to which pure sports were actually won is total BS. This goes along with the kid who wants a medal because his parents forked over a fee to play some sport category. Each year another BS sport is added just to satisfy some countries lack of medal or to pad the medal count for some country.

I'm not saying I won't watch the cycling race but there is no way the Cycling Olympic Medal is worth more than any ProTour race where there is a quality field of racers, maybe more than a stage at the Tour of Qatar or China, just maybe. Anyone thinking or hyping such a thing is just delusional and basically in the "I want a medal because my parents paid a fee for me to play a sport, even though I never showed up to practice" category.

"Pure sports" - what an absurd concept.

Will then run with no shoes in the buff like in ancient Greece?

Is the pole vault banned because you need a pole?

What about weight lifting, can they lift weights, or do they have to do pull-ups to prove how strong they are?

In the swimming, will costumes, goggles or swimming caps be permitted?

The boxing would have to turn into bare-knuckle boxing, would it?
 
first off good question?i chose somewhere at the bottom"my reasoning being that as a fan of professional cycling i have a favourite rider and favourite team i support.Now asking wether i would prefer my favourite rider to win an olympic roadrace or a GrandTour/classic?Then the answer is simple and clear,nothing compare's to winning the tour,giro,vuelta,paris-roubaix.etc.
 
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Of the three choices I'd go with below the monuments but important-ish, but more precisely I'd put it below a lot of other races.

First of all, I'm not interested in what "the cyclists" or "the fans" or "the people" or anyone else thinks - I look at it as if I were a cyclist. And for several reasons, the Olympics wouldn't really be on my radar.

For one thing, cycling is the world's most beautiful sport, and it's the world's most beautiful sport for several reasons which won't fit into the Olympic mould. The great stage races and one-day races are more than just physically and psychologically demanding sporting events. They are journeys through a region or a nation's political geography and history; where the scenes of sporting combat take place on the roads of military conflict, national frontiers, sectarianism, religious devotion, scientific discovery, recent and historical tragedy, the urban and the rural, industry, engineering marvels, modernity and museum, great locations in film and television, and a healthy dose of tourism promotion and local politicking. It's not always alluded to, it sometimes goes unspoken, but it is almost always there. Even as the race routes change, they are irreversibly soaked in these characteristics. In other sports these are peripheral attachments, but I don't know any sport so conscious of its relationship to the past and present of the society around it, where these things take a front seat in what makes a race happen, and often in what makes a race great. Most sports just happen in a place made for that sport to happen. The nature of great bike races - even new ones - makes them journeys beyond merely what the score is at the end.

The Olympics doesn't have this. I mean, in theory it should. It happens in places where history and poltics and culture exist, but they aren't emblematic of the event. We're supposed to put all that stuff to one side, in little television inserts and tokenistic newspaper articles about the host country, boxes where it can be fetishised safely away from "the sporting spectacle" and "the Olympic values" of gutless faux-apoliticism.

You might think, "Well the World Championships is just a nomadic circuit race too, what's the difference kid?"

Well, yeah it is. It's one of the reasons why I don't rate the Worlds as highly as most people do - well below the monuments, and below a lot of other one-day races too, in fact. But the Worlds does have something that the Olympics doesn't have, and that is that it's ours, goddamit. It's put on for us. No bill-sharing with synchronised swimming; no being tacked-on to an event which doesn't really care whether we're there or not; no generic medals, those non-descript symbols of a sport being crushed into conformity with what the public is supposed to understand a sport to look like. Those rainbow bands say This Is Cycling.

(Okay, the Worlds does have the medals, but come on, if you won the Worlds and you had the choice of gold medal or rainbow jersey, you know what you'd choose.)

On the non-romatic, entirely sporting side of things, the Olympics has a small field (a pathetic 67 riders at the Beijing women's race). You could make the argument that this means it's somehow more elite, but in reality it means a lot of great riders with something positive to bring to the table just don't show up. It's a nice opportunity for the non-traditional cycling countries, but it would be even nicer if they had a few more riders around like themselves and could actually club together to make a break for it, rather than being relegated to near-certain solitary toiling.

Personally, as some who's pretty unpatriotic I'm also not a big fan of the national teams setup. I like the Brits to do well because it might lead to more interest in cycling in Britain, and when it comes to the younger riders I often know more about the Brits than the other countries so I have a bit more of an emotional investment in them. But by and large I see national partisanship as pointless. So to me stuff like the Worlds and Olympics feels a bit like cycling on holiday. Mix in the other factors I mentioned about the Olympics and it starts to become something I don't really recognise as my cycling at all. Pseudo-cycling. It's why I could never take Paolo Bettini's gold helmet or Samuel Sánchez' claims that his victory in the Olympics was more special than winning the Tour de France seriously.