Which rider is underrated/overrated?

[DFA123]

Who the hell is saying that? No one has said that he is a GT contender already.

For me, Aru is on a level with riders like Pinot and Bardet. Good young riders with potential but who may well never end up winning anything of note. From what I read on here, most people seem to place him above those two.

 

[Netserk]

For me, Aru is on a level with riders like Pinot and Bardet. Good young riders with potential but who may well never end up winning anything of note. From what I read on here, most people seem to place him above those two.

That is because he is above those two (at least above Bardet).

 

[Jspear]

For me, Aru is on a level with riders like Pinot and Bardet. Good young riders with potential but who may well never end up winning anything of note. From what I read on here, most people seem to place him above those two.

Based on this year (the first year where he was given big leadership roles) he is above both Bardet and Pinot. He placed 3rd and 5th overall in two gt's + he won stages in both those gt's. No we shouldn't hype him up to much, but I do think that he will win a gt someday. I think more things would have to go right for Bardet or Pinot to win a gt.

 

[DFA123]

Based on this year (the first year where he was given big leadership roles) he is above both Bardet and Pinot. He placed 3rd and 5th overall in two gt's + he won stages in both those gt's. No we shouldn't hype him up to much, but I do think that he will win a gt someday. I think more things would have to go right for Bardet or Pinot to win a gt.

I don't really agree with that. Sure, he has had two good placings in GC's, but who has he actually finished ahead of? Dan Martin? Sami Sanchez? Rolland? these are second rate GC riders that are never going to challenge for an overall win. He has yet to finish above anyone of real note and is still behind the likes of Uran and Rodriguez.

Pinot's 3rd place was more impressive for me, finishing above Valverde - a notable GC rider. The stage wins were obviously good for Aru, but they were the kind of wins on 'easy' mountain stages that don't win you a GC.

The last bit I agree with, that more will have to go right for Bardet or Pinot to win a GC, but that is largely because they will enter the TdF every year. Aru will likely be up against a weak field in the Giro sooner or later (a bit like this year).

 

[Flamin]

I don't really agree with that. Sure, he has had two good placings in GC's, but who has he actually finished ahead of? Dan Martin? Sami Sanchez? Rolland? these are second rate GC riders that are never going to challenge for an overall win. He has yet to finish above anyone of real note and is still behind the likes of Uran and Rodriguez.

Pinot's 3rd place was more impressive for me, finishing above Valverde - a notable GC rider. The stage wins were obviously good for Aru, but they were the kind of wins on 'easy' mountain stages that don't win you a GC.

The last bit I agree with, that more will have to go right for Bardet or Pinot to win a GC, but that is largely because they will enter the TdF every year. Aru will likely be up against a weak field in the Giro sooner or later (a bit like this year).

The kid is 24 and the Giro this year was the first time he pushed himself over 3 weeks. He won a big MTF and finished on the podium. What more could he have done to show he has tremendous potential?

His consistency in the Vuelta, second GT of the year, at such a young age is something really special too and is maybe even more impressive than what he showed in the Giro.

 

[DFA123]

The kid is 24 and the Giro this year was the first time he pushed himself over 3 weeks. He won a big MTF and finished on the podium. What more could he have done to show he has tremendous potential?

His consistency in the Vuelta, second GT of the year, at such a young age is something really special too and is maybe even more impressive than what he showed in the Giro.

Well, in my opinion, a rider with tremendous potential should be finishing above riders like Uran and Rodriguez, who nowadays are second tier GC riders. Like Quintana does for example (and Pinot did in the TdF against Valverde)

For me Aru is in the same bracket as several other young riders - good but he hasn't ever finished above a real GC contender yet, and he has consistently lost time on hard mountain stages.

I realise I'm in the minority here though, and don't want to seem like I'm hating on Aru, I just don't yet rate him quite as highly as a lot of people do.

 

[HappyLoser]

Well, in my opinion, a rider with tremendous potential should be finishing above riders like Uran and Rodriguez, who nowadays are second tier GC riders.

Basically, they are not 2nd tier GC riders.

Uran had real chance to beat Quintana, Stelvio stage destroyed all OPQS tactics. Uran is slightly worse than Wiggo, excellent TTer and good climber on steady slopes.

Purito is extremely explosive when he finds his form. Rogriguez was dropped multiple times by Majka in TdF but he found his form back for Vuelta. Of couse, this year was far too bad for him, but does it mean he is 2nd tier GC rider?

 

[DFA123]

Basically, they are not 2nd tier GC riders.

Uran had real chance to beat Quintana, Stelvio stage destroyed all OPQS tactics. Uran is slightly worse than Wiggo, excellent TTer and good climber on steady slopes.

Purito is extremely explosive when he finds his form. Rogriguez was dropped multiple times by Majka in TdF but he found his form back for Vuelta. Of couse, this year was far too bad for him, but does it mean he is 2nd tier GC rider?

Well, you obviously have a different definition to me. For me, Uran and Rodriguez are a clear level below Froome, Nibali and Contador (1st tier GC riders). They have no chance of beating any of the latter barring accidents or really bad form.

 

[Gloin22]

For me, Aru is on a level with riders like Pinot and Bardet. Good young riders with potential but who may well never end up winning anything of note. From what I read on here, most people seem to place him above those two.

Aru already won 3 grand tour stages in his second year pro.

 

[MellowJohnny]

Underrated : The Yates twins, Geraint Thomas, Adam Hansen, Kristoff, Grivko, Slyvain Chavanel, Haussler, Lofkvist, The Netapp team, Degenkolb,

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Underrated: Nibali, Wiggo, Froome (after this mediocre season he is suddenly someone AC can beat with one leg tied to his back unless there are 200km of itt...), Valverde (one of the all time best all-rounders), EBH (I think he will hae a great 2015 ), Lutsenko (If he improves a bit more his Vinoesque attacks might stick next year )

Overrated: Every colombian except perhaps Quintana and Arredondo, Kwiat, Hesjedal, Porte, Mollema, Sagan

 

[El Pistolero]

How is Kwiatkowski overrated when he just won the second biggest race in the world?

While watching the WC I was wondering who paid the Polish team to ride for them because I totally forgot about Kwiatkowski.

 

[damian13ster]

Underrated: Nibali, Wiggo, Froome (after this mediocre season he is suddenly someone AC can beat with one leg tied to his back unless there are 200km of itt...), Valverde (one of the all time best all-rounders), EBH (I think he will hae a great 2015 ), Lutsenko (If he improves a bit more his Vinoesque attacks might stick next year )

Overrated: Every colombian except perhaps Quintana and Arredondo, Kwiat, Hesjedal, Porte, Mollema, Sagan

You just named 2 out of 3 most overraed Colombians (Chaves being 3rd).
Agree with you on Hesjedal and Porte though.
Kwiat is hyped, but World Champion at 24? Kind of hard to overrate that.

Underrated, Wiggins, Nibali, Valverde, Rebellin, Tony Martin (he is a true monster and not just in TT + amazing teammate)

 

[Bushman]

Well, in my opinion, a rider with tremendous potential should be finishing above riders like Uran and Rodriguez, who nowadays are second tier GC riders. Like Quintana does for example (and Pinot did in the TdF against Valverde)

For me Aru is in the same bracket as several other young riders - good but he hasn't ever finished above a real GC contender yet, and he has consistently lost time on hard mountain stages.

I realise I'm in the minority here though, and don't want to seem like I'm hating on Aru, I just don't yet rate him quite as highly as a lot of people do.

It was his first year as a leader in a GT for god's sake. How did Bardet or Pinot do in their first year as a leader/free role?

And Valverde was sub par in the Tour.

 

[Mellow Velo]

The kid is 24 and the Giro this year was the first time he pushed himself over 3 weeks. He won a big MTF and finished on the podium. What more could he have done to show he has tremendous potential?

Change teams.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Underrated: (...) EBH (I think he will hae a great 2015 )

Not living up to your potential, and people giving up hope, is not the same as underrating.
I would be happy to finally see him breaking through, but I'm not betting on it.

 

[DFA123]

It was his first year as a leader in a GT for god's sake. How did Bardet or Pinot do in their first year as a leader/free role?

Well, since you ask, Pinot finished 10th in the Tour, winning a stage in the process. When he had just turned 22! At the same age, Aru was still competing in the Baby Giro and only racing in Italy.

Bardet and Pinot have both had at least a couple of years of solid results now - Pinot in particular came into pro cycling at a high level and has continued to improve. For me, Aru hasn't done enough yet to be rated above those two, yet on here most people seem to put him a level above.

This is why I think he is over-rated - not because he hasn't done well (he has been very good this year), but because he is being rated higher than riders of a similar ability/level in my opinion.

 

[Vesica]

Massively overrated:
Rui Costa, only races you'll see this guy are Tour of Swiss and Worlds

Overrated:
Kelderman, very talented, but not worth to call him the next (kelder)mercx.
Yates twins, not as far as some say

Underrated:
Kristoff, can do both classics and sprints, may be mentioned more as a favorite.
Dan Martin, deserves more credits

 

[cineteq]

Aru and Pinot are overrated. It's not about placing.
Bardet and Talansky are underrated.
Funny people's arguments saying Quintana and Nibali are overrated.

Massively overrated:
Rui Costa, only races you'll see this guy are Tour of Swiss and Worlds

Overrated:
Kelderman, very talented, but not worth to call him the next (kelder)mercx.
Yates twins, not as far as some say

Underrated:
Kristoff, can do both classics and sprints, may be mentioned more as a favorite.
Dan Martin, deserves more credits

Good list, I agree somehow.

How is Kwiatkowski overrated when he just won the second biggest race in the world?

No kidding. But maybe because he was let go by 2 overrated riders like Gerrans and Valverde?

Underrated: Nibali, Wiggo, Froome (after this mediocre season he is suddenly someone AC can beat with one leg tied to his back unless there are 200km of itt...), Valverde (one of the all time best all-rounders), EBH (I think he will hae a great 2015 ), Lutsenko (If he improves a bit more his Vinoesque attacks might stick next year

Overrated: Every colombian except perhaps Quintana and Arredondo, Kwiat, Hesjedal, Porte, Mollema, Sagan

Sagan overrated? You must hate him. Froome underrated? And he's always a favorite to win a GT?

 

[El Pistolero]

Massively overrated:
Rui Costa, only races you'll see this guy are Tour of Swiss and Worlds

Overrated:
Kelderman, very talented, but not worth to call him the next (kelder)mercx.
Yates twins, not as far as some say

Underrated:
Kristoff, can do both classics and sprints, may be mentioned more as a favorite.
Dan Martin, deserves more credits

Costa has won 3 Tour stages, a Canadian WT race and was third in Lombardia.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Sagan overrated? You must hate him. Froome underrated? And he's always a favorite to win a GT?

Sagan is good at everything, but not extrodinary at anything. Perfect green jerseyrider, but not nuch else.
When I say that Froome is underrated, I'm simply pointing towards the increasing amount of posters here that seem to think that this season somehow is indicative to that AC will take the giro/tour double quite easily next year. As if Froomes rather unlucky season this year suddenly was his top level. He is a favourite to every gt he enters because he is one of the 3 best gt riders in the world.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

How is Kwiatkowski overrated when he just won the second biggest race in the world?

While watching the WC I was wondering who paid the Polish team to ride for them because I totally forgot about Kwiatkowski.

Overrated by many as a gc rider. Was really really really impressive in the WC, but I woud like to see some more of those top notch performances before I would put him in the super elite class of cyclist (with Cancellara, AC, Nibali etc.)

 

[Akuryo]

Underrated : The Yates twins, Lofkvist,

Yates brothers are overrated, not underrated. What have they done so far? Winning against Taaramäe? Okay, the 6th place of Adam at Dauphine was impressive for a first year pro, but other than that they had mediocre seasons (in relation to what was expected of them).

Löfkvist ended his career and was not underrated, but overraced - which led to chronic fatique. And that ended his spell in the peloton. Great job FDJ.

How is Kwiatkowski overrated when he just won the second biggest race in the world?

While watching the WC I was wondering who paid the Polish team to ride for them because I totally forgot about Kwiatkowski.

I think they meant GC-wise. In the classics, he is already one of the favorites for next April together with Gilbert, Gerrans, Valverde and Dan Martin. And except Martin they are all well in their 30s ... he could win a few of those and is not overrated (in that area).

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Sagan is good at everything, but not extrodinary at anything.

You're really saying that? Does your cycling memory only go one season back?

 

[Arredondo]

Yates brothers are overrated, not underrated. What have they done so far? Winning against Taaramäe? Okay, the 6th place of Adam at Dauphine was impressive for a first year pro, but other than that they had mediocre seasons (in relation to what was expected of them).

Löfkvist ended his career and was not underrated, but overraced - which led to chronic fatique. And that ended his spell in the peloton. Great job FDJ.

Adam would have finished at least in the top-5 in the Clasica San Sebastian without that crash. As a first year pro, that's impressive. Just as his 6th place in the Dauphine.

I don't know how you can be overrated then. Nobody says he's a potential GT-winner.