Which rider is underrated/overrated?

[Akuryo]

WTF was expected from neo pros Most neo pros don't even get any decent result as they work for the team..

Jesus Christ, I sometimes don't get this forum.

The Yates comments were hilarious indeed. I mean, they were outstanding this year, especially Adam. How can anyone judge them "overrated"? Being Neopros in their first year?

But these two brothers were not seen as "just some neo pros" - they were seen as the new stars of british cycling. Sir Bradley would be nothing against them. Not my view on them, but a lot of people said things like that about them. And they failed these expectations. Not mine. I know that most neo pros don't achieve sh*t in their first few years.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Thats just nonsense, think about that again. 2013 was full of bad luck, 2014 was still stong if not the Boonen of two years ago who had the geatest cobbled season of all times....
Remember how he won Robaix that year? This years edition could have gone hos way as well. But you know whats also great about Boonen? He doesnt mind his team mates winning races he'd like to win.

On that remark: every one who pointed out that Terpstra was underrated absolutely right.

Booonen is a superb rider that's true, but he is getting old wich is very normal because he has 34, I only think that he will not be in 2012 level anymore.

 

[greenedge]

When GreenEdge started, no word of a lie, I repeatedly insisted that Gerrans was the kind of guy who would sit in the pack to come 7th in the uphill sprint at the end of the Ardennes races and the team had a much better thing going with Clarke.

I remember- he looked so promising in 2011 for those races. He's still got a few more years left, and OGE might have to be tactical next year if no one helps them pull in the Ardennes.

That's bit of BS.

Before the 2014 season: 0 pro wins
After 2014 season: 5 pro wins

That no matter what is development in right direction.

Ok, I'd thought he had won a bit more beforehand, sorry. I suppose he did have Modolo to work for most of those years as well.

 

[MBotero]

Slightly overrated/overhyped-Quintana
Massively overhyped-Contador
Overrated-Mollema,Rui Costa,Pinot,Bardet,JVB,Talansky
Underrated-Wiggins,Nibali,Valverde,Froome,Uran,GVA,TVG,Terpstra,Aru

Downplaying Nibali anyway is the most hilarious thing on this forum,the guy one all the ****ing GT's,his GC classification over the years in GT's is also very impressive and still there are some people who call him overrated

 

[LaFlorecita]

Slightly overrated/overhyped-Quintana
Massively overhyped-Contador
Overrated-Mollema,Rui Costa,Pinot,Bardet,JVB,Talansky
Underrated-Wiggins,Nibali,Valverde,Froome,Uran,GVA,TVG,Terpstra,Aru

Downplaying Nibali anyway is the most hilarious thing on this forum,the guy one all the ****ing GT's,his GC classification over the years in GT's is also very impressive and still there are some people who call him overrated

You have to put everything into perspective. Some people think he is equal to or better than Froome and Contador uphill - which is of course bull****.*

*mostly fanbois who think this though: maxmartin, damian13ster and cineteq

 

[El Pistolero]

Slightly overrated/overhyped-Quintana
Massively overhyped-Contador
Overrated-Mollema,Rui Costa,Pinot,Bardet,JVB,Talansky
Underrated-Wiggins,Nibali,Valverde,Froome,Uran,GVA,TVG,Terpstra,Aru

Downplaying Nibali anyway is the most hilarious thing on this forum,the guy one all the ****ing GT's,his GC classification over the years in GT's is also very impressive and still there are some people who call him overrated

He won the 2010 Vuelta because Igor Anton crashed out, he won the 2014 Tour because Froome and Contador crashed out. He's very lucky.

Even if he lost the 2010 Vuelta to Mosquera, he would've later be handed the win. He basically only had to beat Peter Velits. What has he ever done in Gts besides that?

 

[cineteq]

*mostly fanbois who think this though: maxmartin, damian13ster and cineteq

You, of all people, are calling "fanboys" the most objective posters in the forum?

 

[Red Rick]

Nibali is an overachiever. I don't think his achievements are overrated but rather his absolute level of racing. Since 2009 he was always among the top 7 climbers in every GT he rode. His two greatest climbing performances were against pretty stage competition too, which makes it hard to put into perspective. That said, he is a true racer and I have a lot of respect for that

 

[El Pistolero]

Nibali is an overachiever. I don't think his achievements are overrated but rather his absolute level of racing. Since 2009 he was always among the top 7 climbers in every GT he rode. His two greatest climbing performances were against pretty stage competition too, which makes it hard to put into perspective. That said, he is a true racer and I have a lot of respect for that

I rate Nibali as third or fourth best Gt rider over the last few years. Not sure where Quintana stands right now.

And eventually age will catch up with Contador of course.

 

[Red Rick]

You, of all people, are calling "fanboys" the most objective posters in the forum?

Well, it actually makes her the most qualified person to identify other fanboys, duh

Anyway, so much hyping going on here its sometimes hard wether its fanboyism or jokingly hyping

 

[Red Rick]

I rate Nibali as third or fourth best Gt rider over the last few years. Not sure where Quintana stands right now.

And eventually age will catch up with Contador of course.

In terms of absolute level: Contador>Froome>Nibali>Quintana
In terms of achievements: Contador>Nibali>Froome>Quintana

And age will catch up with everyone eventually, Nibali and Froome aren't that much younger, and Froome has the kind of intensive training style with which people tend to burn out a bit faster than others. Quintana is still very young though, but I don't think his level was much more impressive than last year. I don't know how much room his still has for improvement

 

[cineteq]

Well, it actually makes her the most qualified person to identify other fanboys, duh

You said so matter-of-factly that people are going to believe this nonsense. Remember, only unbiased people like myself, among others, are able to make that call.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well, it actually makes her the most qualified person to identify other fanboys, duh

Anyway, so much hyping going on here its sometimes hard wether its fanboyism or jokingly hyping

Exactly

 

[Red Rick]

You said so matter-of-factly that people are going to believe this nonsense. Remember, only unbiased people like myself, among others, are able to make that call.

You lost me there, I'm not sure who is trolling and who is getting trolled her.

FYI, I was only half serious, it takes one to know one, and I don't think you're perfectly unbiased

 

[LaFlorecita]

You lost me there, I'm not sure who is trolling and who is getting trolled her.

FYI, I was only half serious, it takes one to know one, and I don't think you're perfectly unbiased

He's been repeating over and over that he's an independent observer and that to those who are not biased it's obvious that Nibali is by far the best and most awesome cyclist.

Which ironically shows he is extremely biased.

 

[Vesica]

He won the 2010 Vuelta because Igor Anton crashed out, he won the 2014 Tour because Froome and Contador crashed out. He's very lucky.

That's just speculative. Fact is that he won Giro, Tour and Vuelta, not many riders can say that. Maybe not the best, but great rider imo.

 

[LaFlorecita]

That's just speculative. Fact is that he won Giro, Tour and Vuelta, not many riders can say that. Maybe not the best, but great rider imo.

But the riders he won against should not be forgotten. In my opinion his GT wins will never be as special as those of other riders.

 

[cineteq]

You lost me there, I'm not sure who is trolling and who is getting trolled her.

This is funny

 

[Libertine Seguros]

But the riders he won against should not be forgotten. In my opinion his GT wins will never be as special as those of other riders.

Such as Cobo, Hesjedal or Evans' oppositions for their GT wins?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Such as Cobo, Hesjedal or Evans' oppositions for their GT wins?

I did not specify which riders.

 

[Red Rick]

Such as Cobo, Hesjedal or Evans' oppositions for their GT wins?

Well, Mollema got 4th in that Vuelta, De gendt got 3rd in that Giro and Voeckler got 4th in that Tour

Being a one day fly is just very detrimental for the credit your getting for your win anyway. Who cares about Pereiro's Tour win?

 

[contador977]

Evans deserves more credit for his wins.

Yes he probably does, but part of it has to do with Cadel Evans and how boring he is as a rider. I dont think he made races interesting in general. He never attacks, just follow wheels and beat the climbers in the TT.

 

[richo36]

Nibali is so underrated on this forum. Yes there are a couple people who overrate him but generally everyone talks him down. I don't know if I was watching a different tour to everyone else this year but after 9 stages nibali was 2 min and 36secs up on contador. I think contador is a better climber than nibali but is he 2mins and 36 secs better??? A lot of you say nibali won the tour because contador and froome crashed, even tho nibali was in the commanding position before contador crashed.

Also how people say contador is overrated is beyond me. Almost wins whatever he targets.

Froome is a difficult one to decide. I think at the moment he is underrated but that is assuming that next year he gets back to his old ways.

 

[cineteq]

Nibali is so underrated on this forum. Yes there are a couple people who overrate him but generally everyone talks him down. I don't know if I was watching a different tour to everyone else this year but after 9 stages nibali was 2 min and 36secs up on contador. I think contador is a better climber than nibali but is he 2mins and 36 secs better??? A lot of you say nibali won the tour because contador and froome crashed, even tho nibali was in the commanding position before contador crashed.

Fanboys turn the blind eye on the facts, what can I say? Many of the them just follow what others say without analyzing the facts. They have no valid arguments.

 

[contador977]

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