Who has/hasn't reached their peak?

[Michielveedeebee]

Isn't the Paterberg x3 gonna change things ie: Spartacus won't be there at the end or is it too short, too far from the finish, too likely to be just GW with the Kemmel redux.

I'd think the selection will be made on the Kwaremont, not on the Patersberg, it's simply too short(imo) to get a gap that would last untill the finish... Except if your name is Cancellara of course

 

[Praetor]

Cancellara's biggest problem this year was the weakness of his team.

Next year's team look to be even weaker, so I'd say Gilbert has a decent shot at winning Flanders.

 

[airstream]

Contador won the Giro by 6.10

He won the 2009 Tour de France by 4.11

In the 2011 Giro he got 1.16 from Time bonuses, which dont exist in the Tour.

Take away the Time bonuses and that leaves 4.54

Which isnt that far from the 4.11 of 2009.

Ugh And Contador is a stronger TT'er than Evans for the TdF as he's got more tt victories if to believe you. The same stuff. Not everything is determined solely by the numbers. The advantages should be taken into account with regard to the circumstances. We discussed them in detail on other thread. Hm I said about his peaks actually, dont get with what part of my post you don't agree.

To win the Tour'12 Contador has to either beat Evans in TT or practise Verbier part 2 and 3, which is very unlikely. What "ease" do you mean?

 

[The Hitch]

Ugh And Contador is a stronger TT'er than Evans for the TdF as he's got more tt victories if to believe you.

Again changing the subject completely but ok.

According to a lot of posters actually. And the evidence posted by all those posters was a lot deeper than just the above.

If you want, feel free to do a poll to see if it is just me who is of the above opinion.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Again changing the subject completely but ok.

According to a lot of posters actually. And the evidence posted by all those posters was a lot deeper than just the above.

If you want, feel free to do a poll to see if it is just me who is of the above opinion.

yea, the goal post have been moved a lot of times by Airstream.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ugh And Contador is a stronger TT'er than Evans for the TdF as he's got more tt victories if to believe you. The same stuff. Not everything is determined solely by the numbers. The advantages should be taken into account with regard to the circumstances. We discussed them in detail on other thread. Hm I said about his peaks actually, dont get with what part of my post you don't agree.

To win the Tour'12 Contador has to either beat Evans in TT or practise Verbier part 2 and 3, which is very unlikely. What "ease" do you mean?

Whatever you want to say, Contador still has a much, much bigger chance to win than your precious Andy.

 

[Angliru]

Ugh And Contador is a stronger TT'er than Evans for the TdF as he's got more tt victories if to believe you. The same stuff. Not everything is determined solely by the numbers. The advantages should be taken into account with regard to the circumstances. We discussed them in detail on other thread. Hm I said about his peaks actually, dont get with what part of my post you don't agree.

To win the Tour'12 Contador has to either beat Evans in TT or practise Verbier part 2 and 3, which is very unlikely. What "ease" do you mean?

What is your reasoning behind believing that a reoccurrence of his 2009 Tour form is "very unlikely"? You dismiss the fact that he had done the Giro in 2011 along with the crashes and resulting injury to his knee as an explanation for his less than "Contador-like" performance in the Tour. If I understand you correctly you chalk it all up to his being past his peak with no consideration or regard given to the actual real life "circumstances", using your own word.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

reading all these declining debates here, im starting to hope to see Vino win next yrs tour XD he can`t decline, that is not ment to be.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

reading all these declining debates here, im starting to hope to see Vino win next yrs tour XD he can`t decline, that is not ment to be.

[**** other people off mode]Vino has been on the decline since 07 [/**** other people off mode]

 

[ramjambunath]

I was just thinking about John Lee Augustyn in the transfers thread and he needs a good season in the next two years or else he may have peaked without ever reaching his peak.

 

[Morbius]

I'm don't think Cav has reached his peak yet, but it will be hard to tell until a serious challenger comes along which may not be for at least a couple of years (barring accident etc).
It will be interesting to see how Cav reacts to a challenger - whether he stays and competes as a wiser more tactically aware sprinter, or whether he attempts to move towards classics. Given his interest in the history of the sport, I suspect the classics is more likely

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

[**** other people off mode]Vino has been on the decline since 07 [/**** other people off mode]

you are just mean

 

[Michielveedeebee]

you are just mean

I was semi-kidding He's not on the same level anymore, but he's still one of the very best at what he does.. Attacking and winning because of it.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I was semi-kidding He's not on the same level anymore, but he's still one of the very best at what he does.. Attacking and winning because of it.

i`ll remember this when he wins next years tour XD

 

[Michielveedeebee]

i`ll remember this when he wins next years tour XD

Avatarbet?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Avatarbet?

hey! if i can win the tour with vino on pcm, why cant he win for real?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

hey! if i can win the tour with vino on pcm, why cant he win for real?

I get 5th in the Tour with Gilbert, PCM isn't all that realistic sometimes

 

[airstream]

What is your reasoning behind believing that a reoccurrence of his 2009 Tour form is "very unlikely"? You dismiss the fact that he had done the Giro in 2011 along with the crashes and resulting injury to his knee as an explanation for his less than "Contador-like" performance in the Tour. If I understand you correctly you chalk it all up to his being past his peak with no consideration or regard given to the actual real life "circumstances", using your own word.

I don't say about possible reoccurrence of his form. The opponents got stronger, whereas his team got weaker. Yeah, you can say Alberto doesn't need help, he won the Giro without any helpers. But having this team and considering the Tour hassle on all of the stages, Contador will be tired more. BMC and Radioshack will be organized very thoroughly. Moreover now Contador is perceived a bit differenly than in 2007. They will initially stick to his wheel. Naturally, we know nothing, if Andy will coincide to him, mountains and Evans will still be strong and so on. But flying away will be very difficult. The Tour'11 convinced me that general mountain level flattened. To blow this backwater is a complicated task. OK, let's assume only Contador will need to attack in the mountains, whereas Wiggo, Evans and maybe Kloden will defend themselves, having done first TT better. Will Contador be able to tear them on all of MTF's?
Huh, thanks, Ill try to pick out some other words.

 

[El Pistolero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8F2ycQvAkI

Cadel Evans has and never will be able to keep up with Contador in the mountains in a GT they both peaked for. As shown in the vid, the difference between them is immense.

 

[airstream]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8F2ycQvAkI

Cadel Evans has and never will be able to keep up with Contador in the mountains in a GT they both peaked for. As shown in the vid, the difference between them is immense.

Caddie is not so explosive. No one argues with that. How many kms far out did Conta attack? 10 sec for 1k?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

OK, let's assume only Contador will need to attack in the mountains, whereas Wiggo, Evans and maybe Kloden will defend themselves, having done first TT better. Will Contador be able to tear them on all of MTF's?

Kloden will be a domestique. The first MTF is before the first ITT, by the way.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I have clearly not hit my peak as being an annoying fanboy.

I don't mean any disrespect to Alberto but do you think he could top his dominant performances at the 2009 Tour of the 2011 Giro? I am not saying he is on the decline but it seems hard to imagine him being even more dominant.

What's funny is he has always been charitable in his truiamphs. Imagine if he showed no mercy.

 

[The Hitch]

whereas Wiggo, Evans and maybe Kloden will defend themselves, having done first TT better. Will Contador be able to tear them on all of MTF's?

Id be more scared of Menchov. Assuming your a white-russian what you got against him?

 

[Midnightfright]

What's funny is he has always been charitable in his truiamphs. Imagine if he showed no mercy.

I did have a dream the other night that Contador leading by 4 minutes in stage 20 of the tour comftably over took his 2 minute man and stopped just before the finish line got off his bike and flipped the birds as theu finished.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I was semi-kidding He's not on the same level anymore, but he's still one of the very best at what he does.. Attacking and winning because of it.