Who is a clean rider

[The Hitch]

You are reminding me of Iznogouds habits

Well I guess Machado might be clean

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Well that, or the rider will claim his body produced the extra testosterone and they will contribute thousands of dollars to a defence fund to get him off.

... while other (ex-)naives hurt the business by indeed running away. PR job or not, why you think cycling introduced the BP? Because a major market of fans got sick of scandals, thus the UCI had to react. Some of those ex-fans might even consider to come back one day if they see a change... OTOH if all fans would be like the ones who knowingly cheer for dopers, cycling would have no reason for tests at all, WADA wouldn´t exist, and every single race would be fixed for the highest bidder.

 

[the sceptic]

I might be in the minority here. I (would) cheer for clean riders, or those who I think are clean. When the majority dopes (and thus the clean ones are hard to spot), I cheer for those who are the most believable (thus at max micro doping). This being said, I give a major phuck of rider style (that doesn´t mean that I don´t like some riders style over others; it´s just no criteria for me if I like a rider as a whole or not) or whatever. This prevents me from becoming one of those clinic hypocrites who condemn one group of allegedly dopers (the ones that are written about hateful posts 24/7), but hail other obvious dopers. Because this makes them no better than the group of old LA fanboys whose stance was "my doper is better than yours"...

Those who knowingly cheer for dopers are way worse than those naive who think the riders they cheer for are clean. Why? The ones who support cheaters keep the cheating business going (not only in cycling). They basically are spineless, while the naive will run away if "his" rider is caught and thus hurt the cheating business...

Riders I believe in/cheer for now: DeGreef, Gerdemann, Pinot, Roche, Taaramae, Kittel, Degenkolb, LeMevel, and then some

The irony of this post is beautiful. Didnt you spend all summer cheering for the Dawg?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The irony of this post is beautiful. Didnt you spend all summer cheering for the Dawg?

OFC I did, because I knew it would get the clinic explode. It was for pure Schadenfreude against the clinic hypocrites... But I didn´t cheer for him in the way it´s discussed here (favourite riders I truly like).

 

[DirtyWorks]

Revenue will be affected - and it has. Have sponsors not left the sport over doping?

Russia (katousha??) is still at it.
Khazaks (Astana) still pouring money into the sport.
Dutch (Belkin) are new.
British (Sky) have a few years left.
Garmin (JV) not a USAC deal at all but still going.
China, Oman, UK bought new-ish races.
Quatari's buying worldwide rights to race feeds for Bein Sports.
ASO is expanding with the ownership of the Vuelta.
UCI shrinking the schedule.

Everywhere I look I don't see "the sport" hurting. I see the UCI forcibly shrinking the elite ranks and not sanctioning riders for doping infractions.

 

[melkemugg]

What are you lot on? You spend years speculating and conspiring who is the dirtiest and cant even come up with a couple of fellas that might be clean? Not even for the sake of speculating? It seems like the clinic is not even capable of even imagine that someone might be clean.

Instead it becomes a huge discussion on whatever you should care if anyone is clean or not. Well, i care. Even if there are a couple of doped riders i enjoy watching i I like the riders to be clean. I dont care if i get let down again and again and again. I can take it, i dont take my pride too seriously.

 

[Netserk]

Revenue will be affected - and it has. Have sponsors not left the sport over doping?

No. They haven't left because of doping. They left because of controversy. They left because something was done to stop the doping. They would be happy to stay if nothing was found out.

Such sponsors are among the reasons why the sport doesn't clean up. Ditto with the similar fans. Their effect is a dirtier sport.

 

[ebandit]

good on ya

good on ya melkemugg................hope is good

alas it is always easier to accuse comparred toproving innocence

I'm sure/hopeful that in the worldtour the number of clean cyclists is increasing

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

What are you lot on? You spend years speculating and conspiring who is the dirtiest and cant even come up with a couple of fellas that might be clean? Not even for the sake of speculating? It seems like the clinic is not even capable of even imagine that someone might be clean.

Instead it becomes a huge discussion on whatever you should care if anyone is clean or not. Well, i care. Even if there are a couple of doped riders i enjoy watching i I like the riders to be clean. I dont care if i get let down again and again and again. I can take it, i dont take my pride too seriously.

Seems you dont have a problem with cheating either.

 

[melkemugg]

Seems you dont have a problem with cheating either.

What do you mean?

 

[UlleGigo]

Who is a clean rider?

This should be renamed, The Ammo for Later Thread

'But YOU said he wuz CLEANZ! Grrrr stooopid'.

But seriously, Horner.

 

[Nathan12]

JC Peraud?

 

[MonkeyFace]

I would hope Taylor Phinney. His rise was kind of ridiculous and that fact that his parents were both Olympian cyclist is something out of a USSR athlete breeding program. Either, the guy was juicing as junior when he was tearing up the track against grown men or he is just that talented. I would hope for the latter.

But even at that I strongly suspect that most cyclist create tiers of doping in their heads. If I am sick and I am trying to recover, it is ok. I need some decent results to get my next contract so it is ok. As long as I am not blood doping, it is not really doping. It is similar to a brother my brother when my brother went to Hungary to visit his inlaws. His wife told him that her brother didn't drink anymore. They went out and he saw her brother drinking wine and asked her about that. She responded "wine, that doesn't really count."

 

[Catwhoorg]

Phinney certainly talks like a clean rider.

It was his interview/comments that really got the discussion going on 'finish bottles' and tramadol use.

 

[MonkeyFace]

Phinney certainly talks like a clean rider.

It was his interview/comments that really got the discussion going on 'finish bottles' and tramadol use.

I think to be clean you almost have to be ok with your results even if you don't win often or at all. More so racing yourself to see what you can do and not really basing your performance on anything anyone else did.

 

[lllludo]

Russia (katousha??) is still at it.
Khazaks (Astana) still pouring money into the sport.
Dutch (Belkin) are new.
British (Sky) have a few years left.
Garmin (JV) not a USAC deal at all but still going.
China, Oman, UK bought new-ish races.
Quatari's buying worldwide rights to race feeds for Bein Sports.
ASO is expanding with the ownership of the Vuelta.
UCI shrinking the schedule.
Everywhere I look I don't see "the sport" hurting. I see the UCI forcibly shrinking the elite ranks and not sanctioning riders for doping infractions.

You forgot ORICA still in a nice deal with australia's Greenedge.

Btw do you think Gerrans and Albasini, non existant in March & April and suddenlysuper-strong last week, are clean riders ?
Do you think OGE a team with very little transparency (who's in their staff) packed with former dopers such as White, Stephens, O'Grady, Weening, Nardello, A.Davis, Cooke including dodgy doctors Manuel Rodriguez Alonso + another italian guy is a clean environment ?

 

[sniper]

Btw do you think Gerrans and Albasini, non existant in March & April and suddenlysuper-strong last week, are clean riders ?
Do you think OGE a team with very little transparency (who's in their staff) packed with former dopers such as White, Stephens, O'Grady, Weening, Nardello, A.Davis, Cooke including dodgy doctors Manuel Rodriguez Alonso + another italian guy is a clean environment ?

based in girona.
very clean environment.

 

[Escarabajo]

I would hope Taylor Phinney. His rise was kind of ridiculous and that fact that his parents were both Olympian cyclist is something out of a USSR athlete breeding program. Either, the guy was juicing as junior when he was tearing up the track against grown men or he is just that talented. I would hope for the latter.

But even at that I strongly suspect that most cyclist create tiers of doping in their heads. If I am sick and I am trying to recover, it is ok. I need some decent results to get my next contract so it is ok. As long as I am not blood doping, it is not really doping. It is similar to a brother my brother when my brother went to Hungary to visit his inlaws. His wife told him that her brother didn't drink anymore. They went out and he saw her brother drinking wine and asked her about that. She responded "wine, that doesn't really count."

You see, in Europe that doesn't count!!

Definitions might change from culture to culture, country to country, sport to sport, etc.
At the end of the day doping is doping, I know.

 

[proffate]

I think to be clean you almost have to be ok with your results even if you don't win often or at all. More so racing yourself to see what you can do and not really basing your performance on anything anyone else did.

Unfortunately, it's hard to get a pro contract to race against yourself. And I doubt many straightedge riders would be super stoked to ride as a domestique for a doper.

 

[DirtyWorks]

What are you lot on? You spend years speculating and conspiring who is the dirtiest and cant even come up with a couple of fellas that might be clean? Not even for the sake of speculating? It seems like the clinic is not even capable of even imagine that someone might be clean.

Instead it becomes a huge discussion on whatever you should care if anyone is clean or not. Well, i care. Even if there are a couple of doped riders i enjoy watching i I like the riders to be clean. I dont care if i get let down again and again and again. I can take it, i dont take my pride too seriously.

Phil Gaimon. In the U.S. Continental level I'm sure more than a few are cleans.

WT is a whole other game. There are completely different rules on every side.

 

[Nathan12]

What does clean mean? I think someone like Dan Martin is probably fairly clean compared to Contador and Froome, but I doubt he's completely clean or else he wouldn't be competing at the sharp end of World Tour races. It's a game of perceptions, and that includes the cyclist's appraisal of himself.

 

[kingjr]

What does clean mean?

Clean means completely clean.

 

[Catwhoorg]

What does clean mean?

Operating inside the WADA doping rules, that is the only clean that really matters.

 

[Archibald]

Also, think about omerta. Now why would someone clean be part of that? Why wouldn't they be expressing outrage at all the doping right and left, complaining to the press, ratting out (anonymously) other riders, etc., etc.? The only explanation is because they are all in on it - they are all doping.

you're answer is to think of what happened to Bassons

Enjoy the bike racing but dont get emotional about riders, you will only be shat on.

yeah, didn't someone say that it's like watching Game of Thrones and that you shouldn't get too attached to any particular character?

 

[jw1979]

My guess is Phinney is clean. The super genetically gifted seem to be the ones who like to speak out about anti-doping most. LeMond is in this boat too. Cheetahs get upset at leopards that find a way to outsprint them. They think it's their birthright to win. If everyone played by the rules, it would be, but that's not how life works. Life finds a way, and so do the leopards who have to race the cheetahs for a living.