Who is a clean rider

[Morbius]

Andy is clean
Since 2011 anyway. He sets the clean benchmark. Anyone who finishes ahead of him is doping.

 

[lllludo]

based in girona.
very clean environment.[/QUOTE

Difficult to know about their organization. For example who are their docs ? The team don't communicate anymore about it.
Orica is based Girona, their equipments are near Varese in Italy and the riders are everywhere in Europe. For example Gerrans often trains with Porte and Froome around Nice and have a private trainer named Benoit Nave.

 

[sniper]

What does clean mean? I think someone like Dan Martin is probably fairly clean compared to Contador and Froome, but I doubt he's completely clean or else he wouldn't be competing at the sharp end of World Tour races. It's a game of perceptions, and that includes the cyclist's appraisal of himself.

currently it seems garmin are at the cleaner end of the spectrum.
the irony is they're getting their asses whooped by a peloton with a JV-cleanliness certificate.

 

[lllludo]

Andy is clean
Since 2011 anyway. He sets the clean benchmark. Anyone who finishes ahead of him is doping.

I am not 100% sure Andy rode the Tour last year clean but you can see he's not the same rider he used to be.
If you look at the cobble stage in the Tour 2010 he was super-fluid and very efficient on the bike and never in the wind and fearless against bigger rider. He also used to be a good descender.
After 2011 and his crash in 2012 he's scared, his positioning in the peloton is hazardous he wastes a lot of energy and his position on the bike has changed.
His brother Frank, who now probably prepares just like him, has been more successful than Andy since his return in 2014. He almost won the mountain stages in Paris-Nice and Crit International and was top 20 in LBL.

 

[MonkeyFace]

Operating inside the WADA doping rules, that is the only clean that really matters.

So, use bogus TUEs is riding clean?

 

[karlboss]

Of the world tour teams I'm most likely to trust FDJ. Sign the best riders from a country with a rich history and rack up points in small sprints and breakaways. Best TTer got half his TT points in the national championships, best climber is a pure climber and still drops a minute per MTF to the very best climbers in GTs.
Well certainly more faith than any other WT team.

 

[Catwhoorg]

So, use bogus TUEs is riding clean?

A bogus TUE, as in not granted according to the rules in place ?

Do I even have to answer that ?

(No, its obviously not clean)

 

[Christian]

I noticed the discussion here is mostly about more or less well-known riders.

But what about the unknown guys, the "sh*t riders" as Wigans so eloquently put it. I know I can't name more than 5 current Cofidis riders and I seriously respect anyone that can.

But they also matter. They make up 85% of the peloton. So it's nice and all when Hamilton says 85% are doping, but then here we discuss Wigans, Evans, Phinney and other riders of "the top 15% percent", Garmin, former USPS riders and outspoken anti-doping advocates. But that still leaves the vast majority of professional riders, that we don't have a clue about (who do they train with, who is their doctor, what amateur team did they race on...) and, when we are honest, don't really care about either.

Are those all doping? I have my doubts. Of course some will be cleaner than others, but in order for everyone to be doping, it seems that team-run programs à la Telekom, Rabobank or USPS would be required. Of course those might still exists, it just seems less likely to me in the case of teams such as Cofidis for example. But I will gladly be proven wrong!

Cheers

 

[86TDFWinner]

Im bumping this old hag.

Or maybe Phinney, but i dont like BMC.

What about Cadel?

Taylor Phinney trains regularly in Denver with Allan Lim.

Which at best, makes him questionable sad to say. Wasn't he also working with Och?

 

[Archibald]

I noticed the discussion here is mostly about more or less well-known riders.

But what about the unknown guys, the "sh*t riders" as Wigans so eloquently put it. I know I can't name more than 5 current Cofidis riders and I seriously respect anyone that can.

But they also matter. They make up 85% of the peloton. So it's nice and all when Hamilton says 85% are doping, but then here we discuss Wigans, Evans, Phinney and other riders of "the top 15% percent", Garmin, former USPS riders and outspoken anti-doping advocates. But that still leaves the vast majority of professional riders, that we don't have a clue about (who do they train with, who is their doctor, what amateur team did they race on...) and, when we are honest, don't really care about either.

Are those all doping? I have my doubts. Of course some will be cleaner than others, but in order for everyone to be doping, it seems that team-run programs à la Telekom, Rabobank or USPS would be required. Of course those might still exists, it just seems less likely to me in the case of teams such as Cofidis for example. But I will gladly be proven wrong!

Cheers

coppel, taarame(sp?), julien simon and navarro (i think)
as for whether they're clean, I'd consider betting that they might be, although wasn't narvarro one of AC's GT winning crew?

as for FDJ (mentioned by someone else), isn't Offredo with them?
clean? I'd take a punt that Jeannesson is. He's never really fulfilled his potential from a few years back

 

[Afrank]

coppel, taarame(sp?), julien simon and navarro (i think)
as for whether they're clean, I'd consider betting that they might be, although wasn't narvarro one of AC's GT winning crew?

Yes, for like all his career he's ridden on the same team as Contador. Only moved to Cofidis to take his own chances in 2013.

as for FDJ (mentioned by someone else), isn't Offredo with them?
clean? I'd take a punt that Jeannesson is. He's never really fulfilled his potential from a few years back

Yes again.

 

[Netserk]

What is suspicious about Offredo?

Or is Bassons also suspicious...

 

[Archibald]

What is suspicious about Offredo?...

didn't he get banned for missing tests?

 

[Netserk]

didn't he get banned for missing tests?

Which leads to my next sentence in that post.

Yes, I do think dirty riders game the system, but I also think it's possible for a clean athlete to **** it up.

 

[Archibald]

Sure, mistakes can be made.
but Offredo's were multiple, no?
I'm sure he did it more than once, which is why he was banned.

I can't comment on Bassons, I have no recollection of his being banned for anything. I never heard of him til after his retirement, and only know of how he [was] retired.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Sure, mistakes can be made.
but Offredo's were multiple, no?
I'm sure he did it more than once, which is why he was banned.

I can't comment on Bassons, I have no recollection of his being banned for anything. I never heard of him til after his retirement, and only know of how he [was] retired.

After Bassons retired he raced some mountain bike events mostly in France. In one of these he abandoned the race but was called up for testing. They couldn't find him and he was banned. Later the ban was change I believe. It happened in 2012.

 

[Netserk]

After Bassons retired he raced some mountain bike events mostly in France. In one of these he abandoned the race but was called up for testing. They couldn't find him and he was banned. Later the ban was change I believe. It happened in 2012.

Are you sure it was changed?

Anyway as for Offredo: one or two of the three mistakes were done by his team IIRC where it couldn't and didn't have any positive effect, so clearly weren't gaming the system.

 

[Netserk]

Sure, mistakes can be made.
but Offredo's were multiple, no?
I'm sure he did it more than once, which is why he was banned.

I can't comment on Bassons, I have no recollection of his being banned for anything. I never heard of him til after his retirement, and only know of how he [was] retired.

It wasn't for missing tests (just once that leads to a ban) but incorrect whereabouts.

Like Rasmussen, just obviously not gaming the system like he did.

 

[hrotha]

I suppose his drop in performance is just a big coincidence.

 

[Netserk]

I suppose his drop in performance is just a big coincidence.

I'm not saying he's clean, but his ban certainly seems to be closer to Bassons' than Chicken's one from my pov.

 

[del1962]

Because of what Decanio said about him I am sure Steve Tuft is clean and was even during the dark times.

Good to see him in the pink jersey

 

[jens_attacks]

thomas dekker.

 

[Benotti69]

Because of what Decanio said about him I am sure Steve Tuft is clean and was even during the dark times.

Good to see him in the pink jersey

Glad to see you are a true cycling fan and not a johnny come lately sky fan.


Svein Tuft. I mean he is part of one's commonwealth afterall and a subject of her Maj.

 

[TANK91]

I would say every brit rider on Sky is clean i mean they are tooclassy to dope like those dirty countries

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I would say every brit rider on Sky is clean i mean they are tooclassy to dope like those dirty countries

This is ripe for the taking but not interested.