Who is a clean rider

[the sceptic]

If you have some evidence that Leinders was running a doping program while at team Sky then you might have a point.

We do however have lots of evidence that Fuentes was running a doping program.

However if you think that employing a doctor that had a doping past means that they are inevitably running a doping program, you have just implicated an awful lot of riders in the peleton, not just at team sky.

 

[The Hitch]

Business is business, Hitch.

So the only way for the biggest celebrity in the sport, who's team is part owned by sky italia, to inform the giro he wants to ride it is to seek out a doper and get him to act as a messenger?

 

[The Hitch]

However if you think that secretly employing a doctor that had a doping past, while lying to the world that you don't hire dodgy doctors, and then destroying the Tour de France in a manner not seen since EPO came into cycling means that they are inevitably running a doping program.

Fixed it for you

 

[del1962]

Well if you want to believe in Basso's performances before his BB where found with Funetes, who am I to stop you

 

[del1962]

Fixed it for you

Please dont change my words, it is really quite a pathetic piece of trolling

 

[the sceptic]

Well if you want to believe in Basso's performances before his BB where found with Funetes, who am I to stop you

What is the difference between Fuentes and Leinders? They are both doping doctors. You just desperately want to believe that one of them stopped injecting riders when he started working for your favourite team.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Anyway Basso is clean now because i was told. "He was young and he tried to dope"

 

[stutue]

So the only way for the biggest celebrity in the sport, who's team is part owned by sky italia, to inform the giro he wants to ride it is to seek out a doper and get him to act as a messenger?

It would certainly put him in a better negotiating position having Acquarone approach him, rather than the other way round.

You do know how business works don't you?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

What about the clean rider Ivan the smiling assassin Basso

I can't be baited anymore.

 

[melkemugg]

Anyway Basso is clean now because i was told. "He was young and he tried to dope"

Well, according to his results lately they might have told you right.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Anyway Basso is clean now because i was told. "He was young and he tried to dope"

I believe it too Zam

 

[Libertine Seguros]

So the only way for the biggest celebrity in the sport, who's team is part owned by sky italia, to inform the giro he wants to ride it is to seek out a doper and get him to act as a messenger?

I now have visions of Wiggins, acting as patron of the péloton, halting hostilities on a ride and shouting out "who among you has Michele Acquarone's phone number? I need to talk to him!"

Basso being the only person to put his hand up, Wiggins tries to get the number off him, but because Basso is a secretive, shady doper character, he insists that Wiggins can't have the number, and he will send the text for him.

 

[Digger]

2006 Wiggins....contrast it to a few years later. He's a hypocrite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3h61gL2Xno&app=desktop

 

[The Hitch]

2006 Wiggins....contrast it to a few years later. He's a hypocrite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3h61gL2Xno&app=desktop

So he was training 100% in 2006 already. When his focus was by his own accord, 100% the road and his season aim the tdf.

And he didn't challenge for a tt, he didn't challenge for a stage, he didn't challenge for the gc, he didn't challenge for the top 50 or even the top 100 or even the top 120 and he told.kimmage this wasn't for him.

But 3 years later when he trains 100% suddenly bes 130 places further up competing for stages.

Now I'm not the best at maths but I feel there's a calculation missing here.

 

[The Hitch]

Please dont change my words, it is really quite a pathetic piece of trolling

The accusation of trolling really loses it's potency when you use it every single day and USD it to describe 75% of the forum.

And there was nothing in my post remotely false or provocative. It's true that sky hired lienders while preaching ztp. If you think pointing that out is trolling, well I suppose that's in character with the rest of your post

 

[Digger]

So he was training 100% in 2006 already. When his focus was by his own accord, 100% the road and his season aim the tdf.

And he didn't challenge for a tt, he didn't challenge for a stage, he didn't challenge for the gc, he didn't challenge for the top 50 or even the top 100 or even the top 120 and he told.kimmage this wasn't for him.

But 3 years later when he trains 100% suddenly bes 130 places further up competing for stages.

Now I'm not the best at maths but I feel there's a calculation missing here.

He was equivocal back then. No smoke without fire. Kick them out. Then he improves dramatically and his words on doping go the same way. Just a coincidence....he loves lance. Ac isn't guilty and guys like leinders have a role to play.

 

[Amazinmets73]

What's the general consensus on the pack fill of the peloton these days?

 

[HSNHSN]

It's not entirely on-topic, since it's not an active rider, but I wonder what the Clinic thinks about Thorwald Venenberg. Rode for Rabobank in the early 00s, yet didn't achieve anything at all. I always liked this rider. Might he be another one to have gone down for not wanting to dope?

As for the current peloton, I have to admit being rather pessimistic. There seems to be a lot going on that shouldn't. I expect there to be some riders who don't dope, but giving actual names? Isn't that a bit too hard a question?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

As for the current peloton, I have to admit being rather pessimistic. There seems to be a lot going on that shouldn't. I expect there to be some riders who don't dope, but giving actual names? Isn't that a bit too hard a question?

What has changed?

Seriously. What has changed?

Publicly posted values? Increased testing? Independent testing? Anything?

Nothing has changed.

Welcome to the Newer Than New Clean Era. Yippee!

 

[Afrank]

What has changed?

Seriously. What has changed?

Publicly posted values? Increased testing? Independent testing? Anything?

Nothing has changed.

Welcome to the Newer Than New Clean Era. Yippee!

A few things changed actually, everything got scientific. And Riders started cutting out the nutella, using their own pillows, and washing their hands.

 

[Archibald]

It wasn't for missing tests (just once that leads to a ban) but incorrect whereabouts.

Like Rasmussen, just obviously not gaming the system like he did.

I didn't say it was for missed tests, only that whatever he'd done was done more than once.
Anyway, the original question was what made him seem suspicious - having been banned did (regardless of not knowing what it was for).
moving right along...

So the only way for the biggest celebrity in the sport, who's team is part owned by sky italia, to inform the giro he wants to ride it is to seek out a doper and get him to act as a messenger?

have to say, that's an interesting way to twist some casual peloton gossip being passed on...
Anyone know what Sky's tea lady has overheard lately? and which race directors she's chatting too?

 

[sniper]

He was equivocal back then. No smoke without fire. Kick them out. Then he improves dramatically and his words on doping go the same way. Just a coincidence....he loves lance. Ac isn't guilty and guys like leinders have a role to play.

I read you of course but how plausible is it that he got his early trackresults clean?

 

[DirtyWorks]

What's the general consensus on the pack fill of the peloton these days?

Cleanest peloton ever.

But, let's be fair. It is a team sport so some team members work much further out to set their leader up. So "pack fill" is a little harsh.

 

[stutue]

I read you of course but how plausible is it that he got his early trackresults clean?

If you accept the "most incredible transformation in the history of cycling" (insert ridiculous hyperbole of your choice) or the "went from hating dopers to being Lance's best friend" argument then you'd have to posit that he rode clean.

 

[hrotha]

If you accept the "most incredible transformation in the history of cycling" (insert ridiculous hyperbole of your choice) or the "went from hating dopers to being Lance's best friend" argument then you'd have to posit that he rode clean.

Nope. Kohl doped since he was 19.