Who is the most over rated cyclist???

[auscyclefan94]

Note: Im not a lance fan, But it annoys me how much tossers like you jump in and have ago at him for doping, when he never has tested positive. Go spread your hatred elsewhere.

Idiot of the month. Kohl was doping since he was 19 and only got caught for using EPO last year. Doesn't that tell you something. LA tested positive in '99 and that is a FACT.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

road as well as track. now concentrating on road and no track so a nice try feller.

Nice name BTW - Spanky Wonderlust! like it.

thanks.

and i get what you are saying. but that's not what you said. exact language is required. a single false piece of information in a forum like this and the whole fabric of the internet could fall apart!

 

[richo36]

Idiot of the month. Kohl was doping since he was 19 and only got caught for using EPO last year. Doesn't that tell you something. LA tested positive in '99 and that is a FACT.

note:read my WHOLE POST!!! Ill put the key part in bold just for you cause clearly you are blind.

Where is your proof of this??????? Stop making wild accusations with no proof. innocent until proven guilty. I hate dopers, Ill never support Basso or Vino as they have been proven guilty. Unless a rider has been proven gulity you should not accuse them, its simple. If Armstrong gets done for doping in the next week (hypthetically), Yes i would then question hes past results but until then he deserves credit for his 7 TDFs.

Note: Im not a lance fan, But it annoys me how much tossers like you jump in and have ago at him for doping, when he never has tested positive. Go spread your hatred elsewhere.

And To your above point, he got done for the smallest amount that is under the limit in 1999. Which he had a docters certificate. If he covered this up this info would never of be come public. They would of kept it top secret.
Anyway i dont wont to fill this thread with stuff that should be in the clinic.

 

[BroDeal]

Have to go with Armstrong. {EDITED BY MOD; DOPING = CLINIC}

Wigans is in second place. One performance (based almost entirely on a team time trial) on a terrible TdF route with no real mountain stages that was designed for an old man and he is the new British pasty white hype.

 

[issoisso]

And To your above point, he got done for the smallest amount that is under the limit in 1999. Which he had a docters certificate. If he covered this up this info would never of be come public. They would of kept it top secret.
Anyway i dont wont to fill this thread with stuff that should be in the clinic.

Don't yell at people if you don't know the facts. He got done for corticosteroids and got away because of the certificate. He also tested positive for EPO in 6 different stages and got away on a technicality with the B samples.

He tested positive for EPO 6 times. Fact.

 

[Berzin]

A tad over the top as he would of still been a very good rider if there was a level playing field.

He was garbaggio in the Tour before he got on the more dedicated doping plan.

A one-day rider who couldn't time trial or climb with the big boys of the peloton.

If anything, I think the issue is understated.

 

[afpm90]

Like i said, i just used the Main GC contenders as there is no bais in who i put up. Otherwise it would be ten riders i feel are overated, and you would all be complaining about who ive put on the list. So stop complaining about a list that was the most controlled possible list i could make.

Obviously Contador isnt overated but still there is couple people out there who think that he is. Personally i agree with wiggans being top of the list. You just need to look at the giro threads to see that.

Why didn't you start a thread without a poll, where people could suggest cyclists they think are overrated? Then we could discuss the choices of each one.

 

[saganftw]

Have to go with Armstrong. {EDITED BY MOD - DOPING = CLINIC}

Wigans is in second place. One performance (based almost entirely on a team time trial) on a terrible TdF route with no real mountain stages that was designed for an old man and he is the new British pasty white hype.

i d like to introduce you to his palmares,you can see top 20 CLM ind results in TDF at the age of 22...i agree its not top of the world but i wouldnt call that "he wasnt even able to TT"

not to mention,he was 24 !!! when he got cancer,age that many riders dont have endurance to compete for GC in grand tours

you cant deny he was talented rider

 

[Mellow Velo]

Why didn't you start a thread without a poll, where people could suggest cyclists they think are overrated? Then we could discuss the choices of each one.

Quite.
However, the aim of the thread was to have a laugh at "Wiggans" expense.
A nice little clique has formed who seems to get much enjoyment out of belittling him, because he's the closest thing to a British contender out there.

Far better to debate names suggested by various posters.

I would have nominated the Euskatel 3, as being far better candidates for the title of most overrarted rider.

1) Iban Mayo: After his 2003 Tour and 2004 Dauphine Libere, he was going to be the man to finally overthrow Armstrong.
What happened? He imploded as a GT rider, became an average domestique and popped for EPO.
2) Haimar Zubeldia: Considered, at the same time to be a better GT prospect, due to better ITTing capablilties.
What has he amassed? A couple of top 5 finishes, one when riders higher in the GC were "removed"
3) Samuel Sanchez: Biggest prospect of them all and a rider I find very exciting to watch.
A very good one day record. Can both climb and ITT. What he managed?
Two Vuelta podium and a string of GT podium misses or no shows.

 

[Nearly]

He tested positive for EPO 6 times. Fact.

It bothers me that I keep seeing the terms "tested positive" and "fact" used a little loosely and LOUDLY on these forums (other than in the clinic where anything is fair game).

Now I do not mean to flame (and will go searching the annals of the clinic as no doubt this has been raised by others in the past) but surely no one is "positive" until the whole A and B sample routine is followed? At best you can say that it is 'fact' that somone's inconclusive A sample tested positive to EPO or whatever. It is stretching things (and weakening the case being argued) to say they have "tested positive, period, fact etc". Of course high probability that the B samples would have followed suite (especially in light of analyses of Ashenden and others) is another thing but it is not fact.

 

[issoisso]

It bothers me that I keep seeing the terms "tested positive" and "fact" used a little loosely and LOUDLY on these forums (other than in the clinic where anything is fair game).

A test on a sample is positive. However, a rider cannot be suspended unless the B sample is also positive. In this case they /QUOTE]

The guy starts throwing lies as fact. We have two choices. Reply here, in the wrong forum, or let the lies slide.

Lesser of two evils

Now I do not mean to flame (and will go searching the annals of the clinic as no doubt this has been raised by others in the past) but surely no one is "positive" until the whole A and B sample routine is followed?

At best you can say that it is 'fact' that somone's inconclusive A sample tested positive to EPO or whatever. It is stretching things (and weakening the case being argued) to say they have "tested positive, period, fact etc". Of course high probability that the B samples would have followed suite (especially in light of analyses of Ashenden and others) is another thing but it is not fact.

A test on a sample is positive. However, a rider cannot be suspended unless the B sample is also positive. In this case the facts are that the 6 A samples were positive for EPO and the B samples could not be tested.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

richo36, you say you can never support Vino or Basso because of your stance against doping, yet defend Armstrong.

Ivan Basso has never failed a drugs test. Armstrong has.

 

[Cycle Gran Canaria]

Most overrated

Who do you think is the most overrated rider?????

I clicked Sastre before I seen Wiggins was there, Wiggins of course, like all the UK sports football & cricket, the players are feted like greek gods about to conquer all, and then a Greek tradegy unfolds as always.

On a lighter note, why does Team Sky remind me of the German football team in Escape to Victory?

 

[richo36]

Why didn't you start a thread without a poll, where people could suggest cyclists they think are overrated? Then we could discuss the choices of each one.

I thought a poll would make it alittle more exciting. And we have pretty much done that anyway. Everyone has pretty much said other cyclists and discussed them.

richo36, you say you can never support Vino or Basso because of your stance against doping, yet defend Armstrong.

Ivan Basso has never failed a drugs test. Armstrong has.

I apoligise, i am only new to cycling (3 to 4 years) so from what i read on here, and heard from commentators i thought basso actually testing positve (I should of read into before i accussed). Just read up on this, im sorry. I would sort of support Basso, (it still seems pretty suspect) just wished i relised this pre giro.

Also armstrong has not been proven guilty, yes he has failed 6 times but with out the b sample it means nothing. I should of made that more clear when i put up my first comment to a lance hater (should of been a little smarter to relise this). All im trying to say was lance deserves more credit for his 7 TDFs, Personally i would not support him because of his history with doping but until he is actually proven guilty we should respect his achievements.

Anyway lets stop talkin about this, it doesnt belong in this thread

 

[Nearly]

richo36, you say you can never support Vino or Basso because of your stance against doping, yet defend Armstrong.

Ivan Basso has never failed a drugs test. Armstrong has.

I am sorry for being pedantic but Basso was of course found to have breached the doping rules whilst Armstrong has not (yet) been nor has he "failed" a test (for doping purposes A & B positive = fail).

That said I would not stop supporting Basso or Vino or continue to support Armstrong based on my faith in the system

 

[Anonymous]

this is not the clinic

 

[Jamsque]

this is not the clinic

You are ****ing on a forest fire dimspace.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I am sorry for being pedantic but Basso was of course found to have breached the doping rules whilst Armstrong has not (yet) been nor has he "failed" a test (for doping purposes A & B positive = fail).

That said I would not stop supporting Basso or Vino or continue to support Armstrong based on my faith in the system

Last word on this based on its belonging in the Clinic, not here: Basso has indeed been found to have breached the doping rules, but that wasn't the point that was being made. Armstrong was being defended as innocent because of not failing a test, while in the same post Basso was being criticised, and I felt that, since the poster was using 'never failed test = innocent' as a parameter, that I would point out that Basso would therefore be innocent (which he, of course, isn't) if that were the sole parameter. I could just as easily have plugged in Valverde, or Scarponi, or Pellizotti.

 

[redtreviso]

Nicky Hayden... ooops

 

[Anonymous]

why isnt Tommy D on the list?

 

[sublimit]

thanks.

and i get what you are saying. but that's not what you said. exact language is required. a single false piece of information in a forum like this and the whole fabric of the internet could fall apart!

Yes I realise that, its probably not the first time I've ****ed up

Wiggo's early road career is not a subject i'm particulary clued up on, maybe i should take a look at his wikipedia page but i'm trying to avoid doing that at the moment..

 

[sublimit]

I clicked Sastre before I seen Wiggins was there, Wiggins of course, like all the UK sports football & cricket, the players are feted like greek gods about to conquer all, and then a Greek tradegy unfolds as always.

On a lighter note, why does Team Sky remind me of the German football team in Escape to Victory?

Thats just media hype. Most people here that follow sport look on the black side as far as English sporting excellence is concerned because it tends to fall apart most of the time.

Still, England are doing well against Bangladesh in the Cricket test match and may win that one.

 

[Bala Verde]

Kirchen, Devolder?

 

[Moondance]

Jakob Fuglsang

For Timmy

 

[Angliru]

Leif Hoste, Stijn Devolder (granted, he did just win Ronde van Belgie) and sadly enough Tommy D - I really like him...

And actually I also think Jose Rojas is overrated - he was predicted as the next Valverde (not from a doping stand point), but hasn't delivered other than decent results imo...

Isn't Rojas primarily a sprinter?