Who was the real winner of Flanders?

[Digger]

I was refering to British riders.....(you see what I mean?)

Lol...Name the ones you are referring to so, because there really has been s huge amount of British riders in the Tour de France in the 'modern era'.

 

[Digger]

I would say this is evidence of a Irish conspiracy but we all know the Irish are too busy drinking to organize anything.

We organised it over a Pint of Guinness, while we were on a break from looking for leprechauns.

 

[Machine]

So why did you bring up Armstrong then

Because he is American. We were comparing recent British and American cycling history. I was admitting that the role high profile riders in the American scene has played apart in the different attitude. It's not just the reaction to over the top patriotism.

I did this unprompted as well.

 

[fatandfast]

Armstrong is a house hold name and a national legend in the US. None of the riders mentioned are anything like that, even though they of course have a high place in the history of British cycling.

Unless something out of this world happens Lemond and Armstrong are the household name cyclists in the US for decades to come. Liephiemer and Zabriski just don't roll off the tongue.

 

[180mmCrank]

You keep changing the point of reference with each post!!! It's funny. You keep saying well I didn't mean exactly that, I meant this. Just slightly changing the goalposts. I think when you make the statements about yanks, haters, most of them from America, you're on fairly thin ground calling another poster a moron. Your ignorance in general, and of the sport, is a joy.

Yes - he does do that 'goal post thing' doesn't he... and you are right it's not helping to call anyone a moron.

Is there any more real discussion to be had here are we just posting for the sake of it? Not sure it's got much to do with who won Flanders

 

[Machine]

You keep changing the point of reference with each post!!! It's funny. You keep saying well I didn't mean exactly that, I meant this.

Can you show me where I did that?.

 

[Digger]

Well we can get onto the awkward Irish people thing if we want. I have Irish in my family. There is an anti imperialist history and therefore a strong part of their culture is sticking up for the little guy against the big bullies, mentality. This can lead to lots of self righteous moralising.
That's probably why they are highly represented in this hater grouping phenomenon.

LOL this is brilliant stuff - do you know anything about cycling, or are you just here showing off your pop pyschology? How many countries are you trying to insult before the night is out?

 

[pmcg76]

I think we are heading of track with this so trying to keeo it back in line.

There are people on here who think Wiggins or others dope because of their performances and suspicious blood level. Personally speaking, I need more than that to throw accusations but I understand why others do question and I aint gonna bust a gut defending them. As I said in my previous post, different posters have different levels for determining guilt. I dont agree with others but thats there very cynical but understable belief system. No need to freak out.

There is a few who are not happy with this targeting of riders and what they see as a lack of evidence against them. They have a different level of determining guilt, again understandable but using nationality as a way of promoting a clean agenda is a dangerous line to follow. I would love to believe Sky are clean and have heard all the PR, spin whatever you want to call it.

I fall somewhere between both groups and I dont use nationality as a base to justify anything. As I always say, dont believe in anything too much and you will suffer less chance of being disappointed.

 

[180mmCrank]

Can you show me where I did that?.

Not sure anybody really needs to ... or could be bothered. Would it make any difference?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

....
I wouldn't quite discribe the doctor as a full out hater, though he has gone down in my opinion recently.....

Awww, is that because I keep referring to you as BPC, BPC?

 

[180mmCrank]

Thanks PMCG for trying to get us back on track - I think we are so far up the siding we will never get this thread back...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Thanks PCMG for trying to get us back on track - I think we are so far up the siding we will never get this thread back...

Where did 'Pmcg' mention Cancellara or Flanders??

 

[pmcg76]

Thanks PMCG for trying to get us back on track - I think we are so far up the siding we will never get this thread back...

Yeah sorry about that, it was an Irish gang up there for a bit but I am starting to have my suspicions on this 'Machine' guy. Might be way of though, need more time.

And yeah Dr, edited my last post, actually thought I was in the other thread as well, oh dear.

 

[BikeCentric]

Yeah sorry about that, it was an Irish gang up there for a bit but I am starting to have my suspicions on this 'Machine' guy. Might be way of though, need more time.

And yeah Dr, edited my last post, actually thought I was in the other thread as well, oh dear.

You're not way off at all, 100% correct to be suspicious actually as "Machine" is BPC/Arbiter/Sprocket01 etc. and you've been bandying with a troll. And owning him on all points of course.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

I think you admit that weight loss isn't a brand new strategy when you point out that it is blindingly simple. It is a new strategy for Wiggins, however, and he has benefited from this greatly.

You are right that British cycling has put a lot of money into technology and studies on looking for the edge. Wiggins has talked about how they've got scientists timing all the attacks at previous tour de frances to see if they can work out some formula. This type of thing won't necessarily bring any real benefits on the road, but it is something British fans can be pleased about.

There is nothing particularly wrong with jingoism in sport in particular. It's just that a small group of mainly American cycling fans have reacted against their own notoriously patriotic society by turning anti patriotism into a sort of cult. It's the in-thing to completely despise and smear their own riders to the point of parody. That's fine, they can despise their own riders all want if they wish to, but they shouldn't just expect people from other countries to be in their cult. They must understand that it's a psychological phenomenon relevant to their own experience of American society and therefore not something that will mean anything to people outside of it.

In Britain the problem is we're often not patriotic enough, therefore we try to overcompensate with sports and release ourselves from our negativity, so it's the sort of opposite situation to the yanks.

Absolutely bang on.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Well we can get onto the awkward Irish people thing if we want. I have Irish in my family. There is an anti imperialist history and therefore a strong part of their culture is sticking up for the little guy against the big bullies, mentality. This can lead to lots of self righteous moralising.

That's probably why they are highly represented in this hater grouping phenomenon.

Yeah, I have Irish in my ancestry too and yet when I mention it to an Irishman it's as if I've **** myself or I've told him I've got AIDS...

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

We can only conclude that his journalistic ineptitude is directly responsible for the death of Tom Simpson.

You really are a prize one...

 

[Digger]

Yeah, I have Irish in my ancestry too and yet when I mention it to an Irishman it's as if I've **** myself or I've told him I've got AIDS...

Jusr responded to a troll...that's why I;m editing.

Back on point....

 

[BroDeal]

This thread takes me back a few years. Only back then it was Americans buying into stupid explanations for Armstrong and getting angry whenever the myth was questioned. Now it's Brits. They even have their own enemy that is out to get them because of jealousy. It is the Americans instead of the French.

P.S. Has anyone PMed Alpe to get the idiocy from the latest incarnation of BPC deleted?

 

[peloton]

P.S. Has anyone PMed Alpe to get the idiocy from the latest incarnation of BPC deleted?

What's the latest alias? Will put on ignore.

 

[BroDeal]

What's the latest alias? Will put on ignore.

Machine = BPC

 

[peloton]

Machine = BPC

Thanks. Ignored and reported.

 

[180mmCrank]

With respect to BPC et al...

What is the difference between a mild socio-path and a troll? Are we saying they are one and the same or something different?

For what it's worth I would expect a troll to be acting deliberately and knowingly trying to antagonise and disrupt. A socio-path is typically unaware of the consequences of their dysfunctional behaviour.

I have always and will continue to maintain that BPC is a mild socio-path. And IMHO mostly harmless, clueless and bloody irritating.

 

[Kender]

Well we can get onto the awkward Irish people thing if we want. I have Irish in my family. There is an anti imperialist history and therefore a strong part of their culture is sticking up for the little guy against the big bullies, mentality. This can lead to lots of self righteous moralising.

That's probably why they are highly represented in this hater grouping phenomenon.

but but but...

you said it was the americans that were the main haters. but when you find out the people you're baiting are irish you change your mind?

>>> Anatomy of a forum troll <<<

 

[Oldman]

but but but...

you said it was the americans that were the main haters. but when you find out the people you're baiting are irish you change your mind?

>>> Anatomy of a forum troll <<<

Wait a minute....what if you're Irish-American? Twaddle! Oh wait, them's fightin' words. Grrrrr
Most American cyclists that see behind the curtain dislike Armstrong and his type immensely because of his phony self-righteousness. His cheating is another issue altogether.