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I don't think that next year's Tour suits Quintana more. It is not very good for someone that just hits a peak for 3-4 days.
This year's Tour was his chance and he completely blew it. Of course I might be wrong, but 2015 route was tailor-made for him
AlexNYC said:
I don't think that next year's Tour suits Quintana more. It is not very good for someone that just hits a peak for 3-4 days.
This year's Tour was his chance and he completely blew it. Of course I might be wrong, but 2015 route was tailor-made for him
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I think Porte will be out of contention on the first rest day already. Tejay may last up until stage 14. BMC may want to focus on stage wins instead.Dazed and Confused said:
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LOL, how did he blow it? His team did a terrible job in the second stage, and he still came very close to winning at the end. If Sky had made a similar error, Quintana would have won instead; thus, the difference was that Sky did what they had to do while Movistar didn't.
About next year's Tour, you might be right. There isn't a stage like Alp d'Huez, which seems to be Nairo's specialty, but there are enough mountains where I think Quintana could gain time. This year Quintana knew he had Alpe d'Huez where he could make up a lot of time, so he didn't attack earlier and tried to save himself. Next year we will see him attacking a lot earlier. Also, I'm probably in the minority, but I think those two time trials will play into his hands. He won't beat Froome in the flat TT, but he could have a net gain in both.
damian13ster said:
LOL, how did he blow it? His team did a terrible job in the second stage, and he still came very close to winning at the end. If Sky had made a similar error, Quintana would have won instead; thus, the difference was that Sky did what they had to do while Movistar didn't.
About next year's Tour, you might be right. There isn't a stage like Alp d'Huez, which seems to be Nairo's specialty, but there are enough mountains where I think Quintana could gain time. This year Quintana knew he had Alpe d'Huez where he could make up a lot of time, so he didn't attack earlier and tried to save himself. Next year we will see him attacking a lot earlier. Also, I'm probably in the minority, but I think those two time trials will play into his hands. He won't beat Froome in the flat TT, but he could have a net gain in both.
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Yeah, Tejay should consider the Giro. Podium is even possible now that all the big guns are focusing on the Tour.AlexNYC said:
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Contador wins, uniting with his acolyte Aru to light up the race with scathing attacks that destroy Froome, particularly in the third week when Dawg fades badly. Nairo to come strong in the last week, but having been too cautious earlier in the race, he finishes 2nd. Valverde works well for Nairo, wins a stage, and comes 6th, then goes on to medal in Rio.
While Alberto and Aru are getting along great guns, Vino and Oleg have a huge disagreement and demand that the two stars cease working together, because each wants to destroy the other guy's team. The riders ignore the bosses, and continue to work together. One day, back in the convoy, it all comes to a head when Vino and Oleg start screaming obscenities in Russian at each other from the team cars. We see a little demolition derby action, until Faustino is finally forced to sucker-punch Oleg to shut him up. Both Vino and Oleg are thrown off the race, and the UCI revokes their credentials from all races for the rest of the year. Alberto and Fabio continue to work together happily, with Tiralongo working hard, and Sagan (green jersey secure) especially enjoying the all the drama, including riding alongside a cracked Froome and doing wheelies up the mountainside whilst Dawg studies his powermeter numbers in disbelief.
At some point, Landa gets tired of babysitting Froome during the Aru/Contador attacks, so he takes off on his own and wins the stage. He is very happy about this, but Brailsford isn't. Cound is furious, and begins a twitter war with Landa. (I don't know if Landa has twitter. If he doesn't, Cound will come to the forum and argue with Taxus instead
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LRP and Teeeeejayyyyy spend the whole three weeks fighting for leadership, carefully protecting their spots between 7th and 10th on GC. Ochowicz attempts to save BMC's race from the PR disaster by winning the coveted teams classification, but alas, Movistar takes that again, as per usual.
As far as the flat stages go, let's just say that Cav discovers that Farrar is a bit of a liability as a leadout man.
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Oh hell no. It ain't as desperate as all that. No reason on earth to start liking LRP.
Contador wins, uniting with his acolyte Aru to light up the race with scathing attacks that destroy Froome, particularly in the third week when Dawg fades badly. Nairo to come strong in the last week, but having been too cautious earlier in the race, he finishes 2nd. Valverde works well for Nairo, wins a stage, and comes 6th, then goes on to medal in Rio.
While Alberto and Aru are getting along great guns, Vino and Oleg have a huge disagreement and demand that the two stars cease working together, because each wants to destroy the other guy's team. The riders ignore the bosses, and continue to work together. One day, back in the convoy, it all comes to a head when Vino and Oleg start screaming obscenities in Russian at each other from the team cars. We see a little demolition derby action, until Faustino is finally forced to sucker-punch Oleg to shut him up. Both Vino and Oleg are thrown off the race, and the UCI revokes their credentials from all races for the rest of the year. Alberto and Fabio continue to work together happily, with Tiralongo working hard, and Sagan (green jersey secure) especially enjoying the all the drama, including riding alongside a cracked Froome and doing wheelies up the mountainside whilst Dawg studies his powermeter numbers in disbelief.
At some point, Landa gets tired of babysitting Froome during the Aru/Contador attacks, so he takes off on his own and wins the stage. He is very happy about this, but Brailsford isn't. Cound is furious, and begins a twitter war with Landa. (I don't know if Landa has twitter. If he doesn't, Cound will come to the forum and argue with Taxus instead
)LRP and Teeeeejayyyyy spend the whole three weeks fighting for leadership, carefully protecting their spots between 7th and 10th on GC. Ochowicz attempts to save BMC's race from the PR disaster by winning the coveted teams classification, but alas, Movistar takes that again, as per usual.
As far as the flat stages go, let's just say that Cav discovers that Farrar is a bit of a liability as a leadout man.
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BigMac said:
Oh hell no. It ain't as desperate as all that. No reason on earth to start liking LRP.
Quintana will naturally attack more and also more opportunities/less time hanging on through cobble stages/etc...all wishful thinking at this point but will make for a good race
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that is actually a good point and for me another reason that Contador will be main favourite for me, do not know what to expect from Froome, he is probably strongest in the terms of power but still I am hoping he will be surprised somehow somewhere
damian13ster said:
that is actually a good point and for me another reason that Contador will be main favourite for me, do not know what to expect from Froome, he is probably strongest in the terms of power but still I am hoping he will be surprised somehow somewhere
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If, objectively, you feel Contador is the favorite (which he totally isnt), then you should seriously consider throwing a few hundred bucks or more after him since he is at around 6-10 the money again.
Not the best route for Tejay and Richie. I never expected TJ to do anything more than top-5 at best, but Richie can potentially podium, or even win. They should be the ones who are the most disappointed about the route. For all it matters, I think its pretty equal to Contador, Quintana and Froome. The latter would obviously have preferred more ITT, but with 4 MTF's (one of them being Ventoux where he still should be fresh), I think he will be moderately happy about this one since is kinda similar to 2013 with 4 MTF (1 Pyrenees, Ventoux and 2 Alps) without too much bad weather, cobbles and other things shitty northern France has to offer (not that I dont like cobbles, it just sucks when they spend 10 days in totally flat country).
bassano said:
If, objectively, you feel Contador is the favorite (which he totally isnt), then you should seriously consider throwing a few hundred bucks or more after him since he is at around 6-10 the money again.
Not the best route for Tejay and Richie. I never expected TJ to do anything more than top-5 at best, but Richie can potentially podium, or even win. They should be the ones who are the most disappointed about the route. For all it matters, I think its pretty equal to Contador, Quintana and Froome. The latter would obviously have preferred more ITT, but with 4 MTF's (one of them being Ventoux where he still should be fresh), I think he will be moderately happy about this one since is kinda similar to 2013 with 4 MTF (1 Pyrenees, Ventoux and 2 Alps) without too much bad weather, cobbles and other things shitty northern France has to offer (not that I dont like cobbles, it just sucks when they spend 10 days in totally flat country).
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Angliru said:Gigs_98 said:
...because of the Tour parcours being officially announced? Plus what else are we to banter about with the season over?
There's always the clinic
Voting for Contador, and even if he doesn't make it, I still hope that he can make a spectacle (Think he can make the Culoz stage to a Fuente Dé 2.0)! And I am optimistic regarding Pinots chance for top-5. No cobbles, not to much time trialling, and Ventoux on the 14th of July Hoping that he can overcome his fear of speed though..
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His style isn't easy on the eye, but the guy attacks left and right, and rides with heart and courage. What the hell do you want?
nayr497 said:
His style isn't easy on the eye, but the guy attacks left and right, and rides with heart and courage. What the hell do you want?
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rick james said:
King Of The Wolds said:nayr497 said:
Seriously? "Most aggressive" "attacking every chance he gets" "attacks left and right"
I'm not saying that froome doesnt attack, but he surely isnt any better than other riders. He only attacks on final climbs and he always attacks when the sky train is spent. The point is that when a sky rider sets a ridiculously high pace, nobody else can attack, and when froome is the strongest rider (which is often the case) the one attack he does just automatically prevents all other attacks.
I can completely understand nayr497. A rider who only attacks in expected situation and never wins by tactics but pure power on the last climb isnt attractive to watch. Sky always tries to control the race, even if it doesn't make any sense (vuelta 2014), he normally has such a strong team, so even if someone else is stronger and does a long range attack he can hide behind his domestic's and watch them how they close the gap (tdf 2015) and (as it was already mentioned) his "elbows out" riding style just looks horrible. Okay, maybe some people like that, everyone as he wants, and I can imagine that many people like his destroyer attacks (PSM was actually a very good stage, even I agree), but IMO a rider should be called an aggressive rider, if he does crazy long range attacks, and just does everything he can to get time, and not if he does predictable (but ofc. very good) attacks from a few kilometers out.
But Froome does do everything he can to get time? Hence the attacks.
Am I missing something here? Do you have to be weaker in order to be considered aggressive?
Just look at the Quintana's Giro or Aru's Vuelta win. Completely opposite to what Froome is doing when demolishing everyone in Tour
Am I missing something here? Do you have to be weaker in order to be considered aggressive?
Just look at the Quintana's Giro or Aru's Vuelta win. Completely opposite to what Froome is doing when demolishing everyone in Tour
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A rider absolutely dominates a race in a TT before the first mountain stage. He has a huge advantage and doesnt attack anymore on the moutain stages which are left, because he doesnt have to. He didnt do a tactical mistake, but you can still not call him the most aggressive rider. And as we have seen in the vuelta 2014 his riding style doesnt change if he is weaker and if he has a disadvantage.
And what do you mean with Quintana/Aru? Quintana was ill in the first week of the giro 2013 so he only attacked in the last two. But even then he wasnt so much better, so you can't really blame him (also because besides that he made an attack with which he got 4 minutes on Uran. This is the kind of racing I want to see). And if you want to blame him that he didnt attack on the other stages, what has Froome done after his LPSM this year. Aru on the other hand tried and tried to drop dumoulin but couldn't. And once again, the way he finally got the time. Thats how racing should look like.
I don't say he does something wrong, but that doesnt mean he is the most aggressive rider. Just as an example:damian13ster said:
A rider absolutely dominates a race in a TT before the first mountain stage. He has a huge advantage and doesnt attack anymore on the moutain stages which are left, because he doesnt have to. He didnt do a tactical mistake, but you can still not call him the most aggressive rider. And as we have seen in the vuelta 2014 his riding style doesnt change if he is weaker and if he has a disadvantage.
And what do you mean with Quintana/Aru? Quintana was ill in the first week of the giro 2013 so he only attacked in the last two. But even then he wasnt so much better, so you can't really blame him (also because besides that he made an attack with which he got 4 minutes on Uran. This is the kind of racing I want to see). And if you want to blame him that he didnt attack on the other stages, what has Froome done after his LPSM this year. Aru on the other hand tried and tried to drop dumoulin but couldn't. And once again, the way he finally got the time. Thats how racing should look like.
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In a game where the players play optimally, aggressive as you define it amounts to not being the strongest climber.
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I am actually considering throwing some change on a Contador win at a bookmaker but I've never done any betting
Red Rick said:
I am actually considering throwing some change on a Contador win at a bookmaker but I've never done any betting
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