Who won the 2010 tour?

[Carols]

In horseracing they do it in a way that the record reflects who crossed the line first. So if Horse A won but was DQed his past performance record shows finish position 1(lengths won by) and in small print DQ. Of course this is so the betting public when deciding who to place their $$ on is aware that the horse was actually faster then the others.

Alberto won and was DQed, he was the strongest and .50 picograms of clen didn't make him so. He is the best cyclist I've seen since Hinault.

 

[greenedge]

I think Contador deserved this victory more. With Floyd i feel no sympathy because he knowingly took heaps of drugs ( therefore i consider Oscar the winner ) but here i still think Contador is the winner.

 

[jens_attacks]

Who won here?

landis hands down.absolutely no doubt about that

also heras won it fair and square.

 

[Sophistic]

Sport is not like an election, in an election it is whoever gets the most votes that wins, in sport it is whoever is strongest to make it to the finish line first. And it is not 100% certain that Contador knowingly doped too increase his performance.

what a nonsense...so if someone jumps on a motorbike and gets to the line first he is the strongest?a game is defined by its rules, you cant be the strongest if you break them. being aware of the doping process is also irrelevant, who and how the stuff gets into your body doesnt change the effect, and coaches could dope their athletes without consequences.

 

[hrotha]

Andy won because he was the fastest guy to manage not to test positive. Them's the rules.

 

[airstream]

it would be interesting to see the result of the pole, if victim hadnt been Contador and it hadnt dragged on for 18 months.

 

[ferryman]

it would be interesting to see the result of the pole, if victim hadnt been Contador and it hadnt dragged on for 18 months.

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[will10]

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Ironically this is a poll started by a Pole.

 

[movingtarget]

Andy won because he was the fastest guy to manage not to test positive. Them's the rules.

I agree. They are professional athletes. There are so many rules and they know the consequences if they break the rules intentionally or not. Does not matter whether it was accidental or not. If it was from a supplement, don't the riders have team doctors to refer to if they are in doubt. Legally Schleck is the winner and I don't have any sympathy at all for Contador, Valverde, Basso, Hamilton, Landis etc.....To me if they knowingly dope or accidentally dope it is the same. One is cynical and the other is stupid. If they are great riders they have more to lose so you would think they would be extra careful with medicines and diet anyway. I am not much of a Schleck fan but I have no problem with him being seen as the 2010 winner even though he should have won the race on the road anyway like Hinault said.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't have any sympathy at all for Contador, Valverde, Basso, Hamilton, Landis etc.....To me if they knowingly dope or accidentally dope it is the same. One is cynical and the other is stupid.

You're so funny it almost makes me cry.

 

[phanatic]

I feel Hitch biased the results by using the past tense, instead of something along the lines of "Who is the winner...?" This clearly leads forumites to think of the past news reports, rather than the present corrections, and so I hope the mods will discount all the Bertie votes. I'm sure Hitch will argue that his use of the past tense clearly means, in context, "who do you consider to be," but that will be something for the expert grammarians to hammer out in the appropriate venue. In the meantime, as you were.

 

[The Hitch]

Ironically this is a poll started by a Pole.

Airstreams freudian slip confirms that the belurussians are still thinking about us. as i suspected.

 

[airstream]

Airstreams freudian slip confirms that the belurussians are still thinking about us. as i suspected.

ah, take it easy. honestly i had no clue about your origin. just a typo though the fact, that we see so many things in cycling differently, invites reflection.

 

[movingtarget]

You're so funny it almost makes me cry.

I don't believe in the Contador crucifixion I worry more about the sport and the damage that has been done to it. Don't cry, you will probably enjoy the resurrection. The margin between first and second in the Vuelta could be interesting..........

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't believe in the Contador crucifixion I worry more about the sport and the damage that has been done to it. Don't cry, you will probably enjoy the resurrection. The margin between first and second in the Vuelta could be interesting..........

I will enjoy it. Of course. I'm a fangirl. But that has nothing to do with why I'm crying.

I'm crying because you're too funny. Saying knowingly or accidentally doping is the same is just hilarious.

 

[movingtarget]

I will enjoy it. Of course. I'm a fangirl. But that has nothing to do with why I'm crying.

I'm crying because you're too funny. Saying knowingly or accidentally doping is the same is just hilarious.

What I mean is that there should be no excuses for accidental doping. They have the lists of banned substances etc. Let's face it, no one believes the contaminated meat excuse, if it was from a supplement, fair enough but that's being careless and you would think especially these days, that it should not happen if they take precautions. If they use something for the first time to help with injury etc, you would think they would do some checking. Of course I am not comparing Contador's case to Hamilton, Landis or Ricco where it was premeditated doping. I enjoy watching Contador compete, I guess I am disappointed by the damage to the sport........again.

 

[krismtb]

Voted Contador.

You just can't go back and re-write history.

First you modify the winners.

1) Remove Contador as winner in TDF 2010
a) Add Andy as winner
b) Move everyone else up
c) repeat for all races

2) Remove Contador's results wherever they are present in stages
a) Remove individual stage wins
b) award the wins to the next person down
c) award bonus points too? why not? (non-tdf races)
d) what about relative competitions going on in other categories (mountain,green jersey, etc)

3) Restructure contracts for riders who are now winners of stages and/or races?
a) surely their value has gone up now, right?
b) what about testing racers who now have a win instead of 2nd place? is there a rule that winners get tested? top3?

4) Create a big propaganda machine to convince fans that the "new winners" are better than we currently think they are
a) digitally re-create the races, photo-shopping out contador
b) fabricate andy vs menchov great battle in the mountains
c) repeat for all races contador's removed from

5) Finally, repeat 1 through 4 above for all racers caught doping
a) first, identify all these horrible criminals (evil people like contador and Ullrich first) - anyone got the rest of the list?
b) restructure all of the race results lists for specified cretins, removing any record of their smelly existence from stinking up our sport


And after all this, we as fans can be assured that the next race we watch, the next winner and champion we are amazed by and inspired by, could all be completely useless and wiped off the records. Go ahead, try and enjoy your race now, knowing it could mean jack sh*t in a couple months, or maybe a year ... or 10.

 

[happychappy]

Just for remember the guys without memories.. a picture talk more than 100 words.

This. Whatever has happened, there is only one winner.

 

[phanatic]

You just can't go back and re-write history.


b) fabricate andy vs sanchez great battle in the mountains

Some histories will be rewritten until the historians get it right.

 

[El Pistolero]

History is written by winners. Unless you have enough video material to show otherwise.

 

[Froome19]

The fact is Contador was deemed to have cheated and therefore was disqualified and did not win. You cant cheat in a game/race and then when you are found out you still claim to have won the race.
Its like committing fraud and then refusing to give up the money once you're caught as you claim you have earned it.
Whether Andy won is up to debate though and seeing as Contador didn't win and someone must have won, logically it would be the person who finished highest (apart from contador) which happens to be Andy

 

[phanatic]

History is written by winners. Unless you have enough video material to show otherwise.

Yes, but it's hard to learn from victories.

 

[The Hitch]

The fact is Contador cheated and therefore was disqualified and did not win. You cant cheat in a game/race and then when you are found out you still claim to have won the race.

How do you know Contador cheated? Even his enemies admit its possible he didnt cheat.

Scrap that, you heard it here first. Contador cheated, Froome19 says so.

 

[Potomac]

I voted contador.

 

[Froome19]

How do you know Contador cheated? Even his enemies admit its possible he didnt cheat.

Scrap that, you heard it here first. Contador cheated, Froome19 says so.

Unfortunately whether Contador cheated or not is totally irelevant.
If he was deemed to have cheated then he is punished duly.

"The fact was he was deemed to have cheated and therefore was disqualified and did not win."

the key point was that he was sentenanced and then disqualified.
but I have changed it for you anyway