That statement has held more truth than it does now. Bala is not that boring, that side him has been totally blown out of proportion.
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Tell me one memorable win from valverde...BigMac said:That statement has held more truth than it does now. Bala is not that boring, that side him has been totally blown out of proportion.
You can stick nonsense like that up your a**. Who are you to say what a true cycling fan is.portugal11 said:Because true cycling fans don't like riders that normally suck wheels until 500 m to the finish line. ( please, i'm talking in the big races and not in these spanish classics like murcia or valencia)BigMac said:I don't see how Valverde cannot not be considered a legend.
I'll be telling my grandchildren about him and how he probably was the most talented rider I've seen racing, on par with a Peter Sagan, and that despite him not achieving half of what he could have, few, if any, looked as dominant as him for such a long time.
portugal11 said:Because true cycling fans don't like riders that normally suck wheels until 500 m to the finish line. ( please, i'm talking in the big races and not in these spanish classics like murcia or valencia)BigMac said:I don't see how Valverde cannot not be considered a legend.
I'll be telling my grandchildren about him and how he probably was the most talented rider I've seen racing, on par with a Peter Sagan, and that despite him not achieving half of what he could have, few, if any, looked as dominant as him for such a long time.
portugal11 said:Tell me one memorable win from valverde...BigMac said:That statement has held more truth than it does now. Bala is not that boring, that side him has been totally blown out of proportion.
Thats not borderline stupid, its just stupid. Its like telling you do mention one memorable win from Boonen...portugal11 said:Tell me one memorable win from valverde...BigMac said:That statement has held more truth than it does now. Bala is not that boring, that side him has been totally blown out of proportion.
All his Ardennes wins were a sprint. He won the Vuelta without any single great performance. Valverde does attack, but mostly when he isn't in contention for the win, or when racing in smaller races.Valv.Piti said:Thats not borderline stupid, its just stupid. Its like telling you do mention one memorable win from Boonen...portugal11 said:Tell me one memorable win from valverde...BigMac said:That statement has held more truth than it does now. Bala is not that boring, that side him has been totally blown out of proportion.
Thats your subjective definition of memorable. It can be very memorable even when you don't finish it off alone.Netserk said:All his Ardennes wins were a sprint. He won the Vuelta without any single great performance. Valverde does attack, but mostly when he isn't in contention for the win, or when racing in smaller races.Valv.Piti said:Thats not borderline stupid, its just stupid. Its like telling you do mention one memorable win from Boonen...portugal11 said:Tell me one memorable win from valverde...BigMac said:That statement has held more truth than it does now. Bala is not that boring, that side him has been totally blown out of proportion.
Boonen on the other hand has the longest solo win in Roubaix in recent time, another Roubaix solo, and a solo in Ronde. Not to mention how he countless of times attacks from far out, only to win in a sprint.
Stating that as a fact.Netserk said:I said nothing about memorable. I just stressed how Boonen and Valverde aren't comparable. Valverde does have an image of a passive and conservative racer, who prefers to bank a secure podium place than risking everything for the win. There's a good reason for that. He is the antithesis of Vino as a racer, which is why the later is more legendary despite slightly inferior palmares.
Not by everyone. I take Valverde's style of racing over Vino any day.Netserk said:I said nothing about memorable. I just stressed how Boonen and Valverde aren't comparable. Valverde does have an image of a passive and conservative racer, who prefers to bank a secure podium place than risking everything for the win. There's a good reason for that. He is the antithesis of Vino as a racer, which is why the later is more legendary despite slightly inferior palmares.
Libertine Seguros said:Memorable Valverde wins?
Dauphiné GC 2009 (one of his most memorable performances, going from afar on Mont Ventoux and gifting the stage win to Szmyd even though he almost had to stop to let the Pole pass
Great post!Libertine Seguros said:Memorable Valverde wins?
portugal11 said:Gerrans beats devolder...Zinoviev Letter said:The word legend is a bit misleading because most people probably reserve that title for a smaller, more elite, subset of these riders. But "two really big wins" is a useful metric when thinking about a rider's place in history. There are plenty of guys who got lucky and took home a big race, particularly the one day races. There really aren't many who've done it twice. Devolder is probably the closest thing there is to a recent rider who won two of these races without obviously belonging to a top tier, and Devolder was very good.
Without a doubt. Gerrans gets criticized a bunch (undeservedly in my mind) but even without his monuments, he's got a really nice palmares and his 2014 was terrific.Zinoviev Letter said:portugal11 said:Gerrans beats devolder...Zinoviev Letter said:The word legend is a bit misleading because most people probably reserve that title for a smaller, more elite, subset of these riders. But "two really big wins" is a useful metric when thinking about a rider's place in history. There are plenty of guys who got lucky and took home a big race, particularly the one day races. There really aren't many who've done it twice. Devolder is probably the closest thing there is to a recent rider who won two of these races without obviously belonging to a top tier, and Devolder was very good.
I strongly disagree. Gerrans has a stronger palmares, as befits a stronger rider, and there's little flukey about his wins. He is the punishment the cycling Gods inflict on puncheurs when they ride boringly enough to bring his set of skills into play.
Completely agree, he's been on of the best one day riders in the world in the last few years. Winning the combination of MSR and LBL is a huge achievement as well when you think of the different skill sets required; especially to do so within a couple of years of each other. How many other riders in the current peloton would you even give a small chance of doing that? From memory, I think only Kelly, Bettini, De Vlaeminck and Merckx have won both of them in the last 50 years. So he's in pretty exalted company.Zinoviev Letter said:portugal11 said:Gerrans beats devolder...Zinoviev Letter said:The word legend is a bit misleading because most people probably reserve that title for a smaller, more elite, subset of these riders. But "two really big wins" is a useful metric when thinking about a rider's place in history. There are plenty of guys who got lucky and took home a big race, particularly the one day races. There really aren't many who've done it twice. Devolder is probably the closest thing there is to a recent rider who won two of these races without obviously belonging to a top tier, and Devolder was very good.
I strongly disagree. Gerrans has a stronger palmares, as befits a stronger rider, and there's little flukey about his wins. He is the punishment the cycling Gods inflict on puncheurs when they ride boringly enough to bring his set of skills into play.
roundabout said:Early 'fun' Valverde looking lost without a wheel to suck
https://youtu.be/qcyGRyEIiwU?t=1328
It was a great finish, but ultimately without Sevilla Froomeing him he was never going to win that one.
zlev11 said:roundabout said:Early 'fun' Valverde looking lost without a wheel to suck
https://youtu.be/qcyGRyEIiwU?t=1328
It was a great finish, but ultimately without Sevilla Froomeing him he was never going to win that one.
this is a terrible post. who is sucking wheels on a 10% grade? he got dropped.