Why Alberto Contador is Cycling's One True Champion

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gooner said:
You're asking for a doped rider(you effectively encourage it) to beat what you see as doping with other riders. :confused:
I feel like I've explained my position many times already but oh well.
I don't dislike Sky because (I think) they dope. I dislike them because of their dominance, their massive hypocrisy, their lies, their bullying and because they are an insult my intelligence and take the fans for fools. I wish we could have cycling without any doping involved but I realize this is simply impossible. There is nothing I can do to stop the doping from happening. So I just (try to) enjoy the action and ignore the doping aspect. But then a team like Sky comes along and cue all the things I listed above. It ruins the racing for me so of course I hope someone can beat them and if it could be my favorite rider that would be even better.

So to summarize: I am not hoping for a doped rider to beat Sky because they dope. I am hoping for a rider to beat Sky because they ruin the sport for me and I realize doping abuse is inevitable in this scenario.
 
LaFlorecita said:
gooner said:
You're asking for a doped rider(you effectively encourage it) to beat what you see as doping with other riders. :confused:
I feel like I've explained my position many times already but oh well.
I don't dislike Sky because (I think) they dope. I dislike them because of their dominance, their massive hypocrisy, their lies, their bullying and because they are an insult my intelligence and take the fans for fools. I wish we could have cycling without any doping involved but I realize this is simply impossible. There is nothing I can do to stop the doping from happening. So I just (try to) enjoy the action and ignore the doping aspect. But then a team like Sky comes along and cue all the things I listed above. It ruins the racing for me so of course I hope someone can beat them and if it could be my favorite rider that would be even better.

So to summarize: I am not hoping for a doped rider to beat Sky because they dope. I am hoping for a rider to beat Sky because they ruin the sport for me and I realize doping abuse is inevitable in this scenario.
You write as if Sky win everything, which patently they don't. What is wrong with having strong opposition to your personal hero or heroes? You wouldn't want him to just turn up and win.
 
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ebandit said:
............aye! a bigger fraud than other riders..............which is where i started

Mark L
It is very clear to me that Contador is on the same or at least on a similar program as the Sky leaders. It's obvious, there is no other way to explain Contador looking as unhealthy as Froome. Tinkoff didn't hire all those ex-Sky employees for nothing. I wish he wouldn't risk his health like that but at the same time we can't expect him to lie down and just let it happen.
I am amazed that you managed to twist that to suit your "Contador is the biggest fraud in cycling" narrative.
 
wrinklyvet said:
You write as if Sky win everything, which patently they don't. What is wrong with having strong opposition to your personal hero or heroes? You wouldn't want him to just turn up and win.
Yes, they don't win everything, praise the lord. Only he knows what I would have done to myself if they were winning every single race they started. :rolleyes:
Fact is, they've been by far the most dominant team in stage racing for several years. It's not about me, it's not about my personal favorites or my opinions. It's about a greater sentiment among the fans, many of them are sick of watching Sky dominate.
 
LaFlorecita said:
wrinklyvet said:
You write as if Sky win everything, which patently they don't. What is wrong with having strong opposition to your personal hero or heroes? You wouldn't want him to just turn up and win.
Yes, they don't win everything, praise the lord. Only he knows what I would have done to myself if they were winning every single race they started. :rolleyes:
Fact is, they've been by far the most dominant team in stage racing for several years. It's not about me, it's not about my personal favorites or my opinions. It's about a greater sentiment among the fans, many of them are sick of watching Sky dominate.
It would be frustrating, wouldn't it, for so many if that happened - not least for other riders? But out of frustration can grow organisation and determination. I don't get this "bad for the sport" thing. At any given time there will be some with strengths that the others must overcome. Sometimes it will be your team or rider.
 
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The only true champion is Lance, surely.

Anyway good luck to contador this year, break a leg as the actors say.
 
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He's an old desperate doper who'll do anything to win.
When he's good he has just taken a bag. When he's bad he has just had a bag taken out.
When he's skinny he has taken Aicar. When he's not skinny he's winding down.

Seems like a more polite version of Armstrong to me. Although he is a classy rider it must be said.
To be fair to Armstrong he was great fun in his day too (if we're looking at the whole thing as a soap opera of course, which we seem to be). Contador, as is his right, does his talking on the bike. He's a bit vanilla in personality though.
 
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dwyatt said:
42x16ss said:
He won 3 GTs by the time he was the same age as Froome when he got 2nd at La Vuelta. He had much better U23 results too.

There's astonishing natural talent there but I wouldn't go as far as the OP though, it was a case of right person, right time. Always believed that the clen positive was pay back for 2009. McQuaid almost certainly asked for "extra special scrutiny" :rolleyes:

I've never understood this view point - we know some cyclists are doping at 18 or even earlier, good u23 could just mean he started doping early. Someone being good from ayoung age means nothing to me.
True, but that also depends on things like how early they started in the sport, affluence of the family (dope isn't that cheap when you're struggling) and immediate influences.

IIRC correctly, Contador didn't start until mid/late teens and he is from a working class area of Madrid. I may be wrong but this suggests he had to show a rather substantial amount of talent before someone felt that it was worth doping him.
 
Let's not lie to ourselves. Bad for Sport on the boards means nothing but Bad for one's personal excitement, emotions and Joy from following cycling. It's a top of ignorance to equate a fanboys \ fangirls interest to a Global interest of the Sport named cycling.
 
Maxiton said:
|Note to mods: if you want to move responses to this here from the "Will Contador be juiced" thread, that would be cool|

I posted this in the "Will Contador be Juiced" thread, but it's long and a lot to think about, and covers something I think important in the sport of cycling - or what remains of the sport. So I'm posting it here as a separate thread in hope of facilitating discussion.

Herein I explain as best I can, a) why Contador is a significant figure in cycling - its one true champion - and why his sanction for clenbuterol is largely irrelevant; b) why Sky doping is all but a certainty; and, c) why this is not mere fan favoritism.

Today, in 2016, it's pretty much settled business that cyclesport and doping go hand in hand. They always have. Starting with the end of the Armstrong era and going back through the decades we have it on record that virtually the entire GC was doped. The missing bits, the GC riders whose doping is not documented, are few indeed; but given what is documented, and given as well the attitude of the sport as a whole towards doping, we can infer that while there may have been, literally, one or two or three exceptions - it's possible - the entire GC was doped. If there were exceptions, then, they prove the rule: it's a sport that relies on PEDs.

Fans and sponsors and teams alike regarded this fact with complete equanimity until the death of Tom Simpson in 1967. Since then, however, it's been kept increasingly on the down-low.

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Keeping it on the down-low opened the sport to all kinds of corruption: intimidation, blackmail, bribery, sabotage, cover-ups, and race-fixing (though, admittedly, race-fixing has always had a role regardless). The UCI, which exists to govern the sport, was not immune from this corruption but complicit in it, due to its additional role of protecting and promoting the sport. Chosen, money-making riders such as Armstrong were protected; while their adversaries and lesser lights were popped. This served to prop up the money making while giving the impression of fighting PED use. Outside of the favored few, then, riders were subject to being caught, and sanctioned, if they stepped out of line, pissed off the wrong person, or simply made a mistake in implementing their own program.

After Armstrong - and after the interlude of Landis, which is its own story, one in which Verbruggen and Armstrong possibly had a hand - cycling had a new champion, Alberto Contador. Contador was an upcoming race leader of the classical European mold, and molded by the sport itself: talented, dedicated, solely focused on his sport. He kept his head down and his mouth shut and followed orders and in so doing met with great success. So far, so good. What had not yet been tested, though - or even forged, even after his first TdF win - was his true mettle as a champion. This finally happened when Armstrong decided to come back - to the team, it turned out, led by Contador himself.

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Now this Spanish boy who had always kept his head down and followed orders faced a true dilemma. What is a champion to do when cycling's capo dei capi, the UCI's own favored son, Verbruggen and Pat's best partner, and BFF of his own team manager, comes back determined to usurp the young champion's role, which the capo dei capi feels is rightfully his and his alone? If the Spanish boy knuckles under he concedes to himself and everyone watching that the champions' role was never truly his and never can be. But if he defies the bosses he has a very clear inkling, this son of cycling, of what's in store.

Well, we know how he responded and how the story played out. We know he won that Tour and how, subsequently, the next year, his blood sample was sent off for extra-special, extraordinary scrutiny - which turned up one one-millionth of a gram of clenbuterol, a controlled substance. And so he was duly sanctioned.

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In standing up to these creeps and their coercion, in insisting on his role as champion even despite implied consequences, Contador actually proved himself to be champion. Not their champion, but ours, the fans and the riders - for if it isn't our sport, whose is it? In defying them, Contador stole some fire from the mountain (to take a line from Steve Jobs) and brought it back to where it rightfully belongs: away from the corrupt creeps controlling the sport, controlling its teams and riders, back to those who make the sport.

In doing this he redeemed himself as a man, as an athlete, and as champion - and he redeemed the honor of the sport, as well, even if only for a moment. He paid a price - the sanction - as he must have inferred he would; but this sanction, too, was redeemed - absolved - by what he achieved and reclaimed, for himself and for us.

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Now the UCI has a new golden boy, a new money making machine: Rupert Murdoch, in the guise of the miraculous Sky team and its unlikely leader, Chris Froome. The Sky team and an entire nation of new, newly enthusiastic, naive, money spending fans.

Given the history, culture, context, and control of the sport as outlined above; and given as well their arguably suspect exploits and antecedents; and given additionally all the money being minted, and even national and corporate soft power being projected: it seems reasonable to look upon Sky with the most wary of eyes, and to question what those eyes think they see.

Cycling has a new golden boy, but as of now it has only one true champion: Alberto Contador.

Agree? Disagree? Discuss.
To quote Mark Cavendish MBE: "Umm, who says that? Internet forum people?" :)
 
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42x16ss said:
dwyatt said:
42x16ss said:
He won 3 GTs by the time he was the same age as Froome when he got 2nd at La Vuelta. He had much better U23 results too.

There's astonishing natural talent there but I wouldn't go as far as the OP though, it was a case of right person, right time. Always believed that the clen positive was pay back for 2009. McQuaid almost certainly asked for "extra special scrutiny" :rolleyes:

I've never understood this view point - we know some cyclists are doping at 18 or even earlier, good u23 could just mean he started doping early. Someone being good from ayoung age means nothing to me.
True, but that also depends on things like how early they started in the sport, affluence of the family (dope isn't that cheap when you're struggling) and immediate influences.

IIRC correctly, Contador didn't start until mid/late teens and he is from a working class area of Madrid. I may be wrong but this suggests he had to show a rather substantial amount of talent before someone felt that it was worth doping him.
How dare you post facts?! It is clear he was already doped before he even started cycling.
 
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beatthatrat said:
He's an old desperate doper who'll do anything to win.
When he's good he has just taken a bag. When he's bad he has just had a bag taken out.
When he's skinny he has taken Aicar. When he's not skinny he's winding down.

Seems like a more polite version of Armstrong to me. Although he is a classy rider it must be said.
To be fair to Armstrong he was great fun in his day too (if we're looking at the whole thing as a soap opera of course, which we seem to be). Contador, as is his right, does his talking on the bike. He's a bit vanilla in personality though.
You are right, in 2013 he had blood taken out every day of the year which is why he was a bit below his usual best. Turns out it was all preparation for 2014 because as you can see he had bags infused every day, how else can we explain him being so strong all year round. Then in 2015 he was bad again so I guess you and your friends should fear him.
 
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ebandit said:
LaFlorecita said:
beatthatrat said:
desperate

you and your friends should fear him.


...again there lies the issue.....better to observe than let your heart rule your head

it's cycling............there is no fear about whom wins....

Mark L
Oh when I see (=observe) some of the things written about him I think it is not ridiculous to believe the thought of him winning is nightmare material for some.
 
This thread is obviously an insult to the thousands and thousands of cyclists that are practicing the sport in an honest way. But what else could I expect from the CN Clinic. I just wish the OP did not post this utter crap with Ferdi as avatar. Enough insulting the true greats...

For the moment I consider Wout Van Aert as cycling's true hero because he's our only chance against Mathieu Van der Poel, if I'm not considering Mathieu Van der Poel a true hero for being our only chance against Wout Van Aert but even Julien Taramarcaz is a cycling champion for not having any chance against the former two, like thousands of other riders, okay. Even Tanguy Turgis is hero despite the fact that he's unknown to anybody here except the readers of the Guess Who Game.

But since this thread is made in the name of the not late Trotskyist warmongerer Hitchens, I guess it all falls into place. Those people hate Islam for a good reason. Islam condemns any form of idolatry, including the sporting idolatry. A true Muslim could not iconize Mr Contador because he's not a deity, he's just a human being with his flaws, like anyone else.

I do hope that in July Sky keeps on winning. Not that I like them, of course. The most detestable race in the calendar being won by the most hated team on earth can only be beneficial for cycling and in particular for the classics and cyclocross. That's why I've always wished Chris Horner someday wins it but at least he won the Tour of Spain, I can contend with that. The race is totally discredited by now. I know it's nihilistic, but it's your fault for insulting the classics by implying that classic riders and cyclocross riders cannot be true champions. If you don't want to see Sky dominate, all you gotta do is stop watching Bore de France and rather focus on the classics but you'll never do that. I never watch Bore de France, so I don't get to see Sky winning that often. And at least I can't be accused of contributing to their success because YOU - TV viewers - are making them so successful by watching them race, okay? So desist now! Stop whining.

After all, Sky riders have never been exposed to (blood) doping. Contador showed plastic residues in his urine that might indicate the use of blood bags. But even if you don't consider it a proof of blood doping, even if Contador is racing clean, that's not a reason for insulting thousands of riders by only iconizing one guy, okay? And since, most of you don't even believe he's racing clean, well then it's your choice for apologizing doping. Your problem, I mean. Sky's supposed doping is not an excuse. Lesser evil Policy is never an excuse. And natural born talent is NEVER an excuse, either. On the contrary, it's an aggravating factor. If you don't have talent but you still need to perform, I can figure out without justifying that you dope. If you have talent and you still (blood) dope, you are just a miserable person because you have no excuse. You could have performed with your talent alone but you still chose substances. No mercy for this kind of riders.

Edit: @LaFlo, this post of mine is not addressed at you. Don't feel targeted. :)
 
oldcrank said:
Maxiton said:
Herein I explain as best I can, a) why Contador is a significant figure in cycling - its one true champion - and why his sanction for clenbuterol is largely irrelevant; b) why Sky doping is all but a certainty; and, c) why this is not mere fan favoritism.

Today, in 2016, it's pretty much settled business that cyclesport and doping go hand in hand....................

..................Now the UCI has a new golden boy, a new money making machine: Rupert Murdoch, in the guise of the miraculous Sky team and its unlikely leader, Chris Froome. The Sky team and an entire nation of new, newly enthusiastic, naive, money spending fans.

Given the history, culture, context, and control of the sport as outlined above; and given as well their arguably suspect exploits and antecedents; and given additionally all the money being minted, and even national and corporate soft power being projected: it seems reasonable to look upon Sky with the most wary of eyes, and to question what those eyes think they see.

Cycling has a new golden boy, but as of now it has only one true champion: Alberto Contador.
To quote Mark Cavendish MBE: "Umm, who says that? Internet forum people?" :)

Wow, I will propose "" because Frodo says it aint so"" for the weakest argument ever delivered on these boards; and such a weak reply to such a terrific post.

Even the detail down to quoting "MBE" - the thrashings of a follower coming up for the third time. (I could come over all Blackcat and quote "muscular Christianity - Sir David, Sir Bradley, even Cookson OBE", the Empire's version of the the "Lance cancer shield" - but instead I will just respond with "Sir Jimmy Saville".)

Talk about clutching at straws. Frodo the guy who gave us in Jan 2013, just before Lance confessed to quite a lot, if not everything on Oprah, the attack on the reporters (aka fans with typewriters), accompanied with his desperate shouts "Leave me alone - why do you always ask about doping ?"

Err - Frodo its because some of us, unlike those dumb money spending, chamois sniffing, can I pay £3,500 for three days riding with St David Millar (Rouler magazine 2016), have a brain. And for those of us with that brain, we don't swallow the stuff you and your best friends put out.

“Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the skeptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one hell of a race. This is a great sporting event and you should stand around and believe it. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets — this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it. So Vive le Tour forever!”

http://www.cyclosport.org/20-Mar-2015/news/maserati-to-sponsor-tour-de-yorkshire-ride-with-david-millar-as-an-ambassador.html

https://rouleur.cc/journal/bicycles/interview-david-millar-chpt-iii-clothing


Maxiton - that was a great post. Is there a trail to follow that Lance and Hein were in negotiations to buy the Tour (I pressume Weisel was in the mix somewhere there as well) ? If so that is a great find.


Blast, I was so distracted by the thought of buying a St David shirt I nearly forgot my second point.

Did Frodo ride with a motor to get over the Cipressa and the Poggio ? After all, I would rate Spartacus as probably the most popular cyclist amongst the chamois sniffers in 2010, with Frodo a very close second.

Oh and if Femke has one hell of a dodgy family stealing parakeets with her brother facing a maximum possible Jail term of 5 years how about someone whose brother did get six years. Compare and contrast parakeets v being parts of a drugs ring selling stuff to teenagers.
http://road.cc/content/news/16592-mark-cavendishs-brother-gets-six-years-after-police-drugs-bust

Got to laugh at the comment in that last story

"Just being related in name doesn't mean a thing though and it won't harm his reputation, MC has goals and too much talent. " Tell that to Femke's lawyer I am sure he can use that in her defence !

Google translate BS to English worked wonders for me again " I luuurrrve you mark , I really luurrrveee you, I go to bed dreaming of you.......please let it not be true that you are a crook like your brother...........please ! ........Please say it is not so......."
 
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ebandit said:
LaFlorecita said:
ebandit said:
LaFlorecita said:
beatthatrat said:
desperate

fear


issue
Oh when I see (=observe) some of the things written about him I think it is not ridiculous to believe the thought of him winning is nightmare material for some.

then say that....don't join the OP in lapping up the PR that somehow alberto

is 'the peoples champion' alone in defence of cycling v undesirable teams

Mark L
You can have your opinion and I can have mine. Thanks and have a nice day.
 
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Freddythefrog said:
oldcrank said:
To quote Mark Cavendish MBE: "Umm, who says that? Internet forum people?" :)

Wow, I will propose that ""Because Frodo says it aint so"" for the weakest argument ever delivered on these boards; and such a weak reply to such a terrific post.

Even the detail down to quoting "MBE" - the thrashings of a follower coming up for the third time. (I coujld come over all Blackcat and quote "muscular Christianity - Sir David, Sir Bradley, even Cookson OBE", the Empire's version of the the "Lance cancer shield" - but instead I will just respond with "Sir Jimmy Saville".)

Talk about clutching at straws. Frodo the guy who gave us in Jan 2013, just before Lance confessed to quite a lot, if not everything on Oprah, the attack on the reporters (aka fans with typewriters), accompanied with his desperate shouts "Leave me alone - why do you always ask about doping ?"

Err - Frodo its because some of us, unlike those dumb money spending, chamois sniffing, can I pay £3,500 for three days riding with St David Millar (Rouler magazine 2016), have a brain. And for those of us with that brain, we don't swallow the stuff you and your best friends put out.

“Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the skeptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one hell of a race. This is a great sporting event and you should stand around and believe it. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets — this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it. So Vive le Tour forever!”

http://www.cyclosport.org/20-Mar-2015/news/maserati-to-sponsor-tour-de-yorkshire-ride-with-david-millar-as-an-ambassador.html

https://rouleur.cc/journal/bicycles/interview-david-millar-chpt-iii-clothing


Maxiton - that was a great post. Is there a trail to follow that Lance and Hein were in negotiations to buy the Tour (I pressume Weisel was in the mix somewhere there as well) ? If so that is a great find. <snip>

Freddythefrog, thanks for the funny and pertinent post. (Especially enjoyed the Sir Jimmy Saville comment.) I was beginning to get a little depressed after reading pages of brick-a-bracks and name-calling being tossed back and forth.

It seems to me that at one time there were quite a few articles on line that talked about the deal Verbrugggen and Armstrong were putting together to buy the Tour. (Some of the articles said they were trying to buy the entirety of the ASO, not just the Tour.) I remember reading something Joe Lindsey wrote about it at bicycling.com. All those articles seem to have disappeared now. I did find this, though, at the Sidney Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/once-he-dominated--now-lance-could-own-the-tour/2008/09/19/1221331205913.html

Verbruggen and Armstrong had formed a consortium for the project. I don't know that it included Weisel, but I expect it would have.

There were also articles about the deal falling through, but I can't find those now, either. Maybe someone better versed in searching can.

Echoes said:
This thread is obviously an insult to the thousands and thousands of cyclists that are practicing the sport in an honest way. But what else could I expect from the CN Clinic. I just wish the OP did not post this utter crap with Ferdi as avatar. Enough insulting the true greats...

For the moment I consider Wout Van Aert as cycling's true hero because he's our only chance against Mathieu Van der Poel, if I'm not considering Mathieu Van der Poel a true hero for being our only chance against Wout Van Aert but even Julien Taramarcaz is a cycling champion for not having any chance against the former two, like thousands of other riders, okay. Even Tanguy Turgis is hero despite the fact that he's unknown to anybody here except the readers of the Guess Who Game.

But since this thread is made in the name of the not late Trotskyist warmongerer Hitchens, I guess it all falls into place. Those people hate Islam for a good reason. Islam condemns any form of idolatry, including the sporting idolatry. A true Muslim could not iconize Mr Contador because he's not a deity, he's just a human being with his flaws, like anyone else.

I do hope that in July Sky keeps on winning. Not that I like them, of course. The most detestable race in the calendar being won by the most hated team on earth can only be beneficial for cycling and in particular for the classics and cyclocross. That's why I've always wished Chris Horner someday wins it but at least he won the Tour of Spain, I can contend with that. The race is totally discredited by now. I know it's nihilistic, but it's your fault for insulting the classics by implying that classic riders and cyclocross riders cannot be true champions. If you don't want to see Sky dominate, all you gotta do is stop watching Bore de France and rather focus on the classics but you'll never do that. I never watch Bore de France, so I don't get to see Sky winning that often. And at least I can't be accused of contributing to their success because YOU - TV viewers - are making them so successful by watching them race, okay? So desist now! Stop whining.

After all, Sky riders have never been exposed to (blood) doping. Contador showed plastic residues in his urine that might indicate the use of blood bags. But even if you don't consider it a proof of blood doping, even if Contador is racing clean, that's not a reason for insulting thousands of riders by only iconizing one guy, okay? And since, most of you don't even believe he's racing clean, well then it's your choice for apologizing doping. Your problem, I mean. Sky's supposed doping is not an excuse. Lesser evil Policy is never an excuse. And natural born talent is NEVER an excuse, either. On the contrary, it's an aggravating factor. If you don't have talent but you still need to perform, I can figure out without justifying that you dope. If you have talent and you still (blood) dope, you are just a miserable person because you have no excuse. You could have performed with your talent alone but you still chose substances. No mercy for this kind of riders.

Edit: @LaFlo, this post of mine is not addressed at you. Don't feel targeted. :)

Echoes, I always enjoy reading your posts because a) you are a fan of the classics and have deep knowledge of them; b) you are so archly and classically conservative in virtually every sense - the most conservative viewpoint by far that I've ever encountered - which I think is interesting, and refreshing; and, most of all, c) your posts are literate, erudite, and thoughtful.

Not this time. What a load of blathering nonsense. Were you writing in a hurry?
 
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HelmutRoole said:
Maxiton said:
<snip>
The whole Armstrong era was one big corrupt construction of Verbruggen, in my opinion. He and his closest cronies - Pat, Armstrong, Bruyneel, and probably a few lab heads - controlled the sport, and no team, no rider, no journalist dared stand up to them. Anyone who tried to had his career destroyed.

That all changed from inside their own team, with the young champion from Pinto. For him to do that, as I've written previously, was no small thing. It took cojones of cold steal, not carbon, and the heart of a champion.

<snip>.

Great post. Some of these angles I've never considered.

Thanks, man. Yeah, it's kind of interesting how it all fits together.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
beatthatrat said:
He's an old desperate doper who'll do anything to win.
When he's good he has just taken a bag. When he's bad he has just had a bag taken out.
When he's skinny he has taken Aicar. When he's not skinny he's winding down.

Seems like a more polite version of Armstrong to me. Although he is a classy rider it must be said.
To be fair to Armstrong he was great fun in his day too (if we're looking at the whole thing as a soap opera of course, which we seem to be). Contador, as is his right, does his talking on the bike. He's a bit vanilla in personality though.
You are right, in 2013 he had blood taken out every day of the year which is why he was a bit below his usual best. Turns out it was all preparation for 2014 because as you can see he had bags infused every day, how else can we explain him being so strong all year round. Then in 2015 he was bad again so I guess you and your friends should fear him.

He's probably my favourite realistic GT contender as it happens.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Contador is a true cycling champion and our only hope against Sky. He has nothing to lose, he'll either beat them this year or get popped. Either way it's the end of his career. He is already looking very skinny so it's looking good so far, I just hope he won't drop dead thanks to the Official Team Sky Cocktail.

I'll call him just what I did in the other Contador thread you got so butt hurt about:

Contadoper! Contadoper!

No matter how "true/great" you think your "champion" is: he's a known doper!

I don't support dopers, sorry.