Why is Lance Armstrong so Hated?

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thehog said:
But there is a line in it which states that he privately told friends he expected to do time and have pay out are large raft in fines once indicited.
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What friends?
Lance does not have any friends.

And would it be suprising to learn a so-called witch was worried about being burned at the stake? Of course not - natural response. Even Glinda would have concerns. But like Glinda, Lance really had nothing to worry about. Too good you know.
 
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thehog said:
Not sure where to place this link but where the hell is Pat McQuaid these days? Has he gone into hiding?

http://www.insidethegames.biz/latest/17069-verbruggen-to-step-down-as-sportaccord-president

Rumor has it that Pat, Verdruggen and Johan are building an Arch together.

It's going to look something like this:

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Race Radio said:
Wish I didn't have to travel next week for work. Going to miss the long awaited return of Johan to California. Should be some good "Interviews"

Why in the hell did he bother coming?
 
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Race Radio said:
Arrogance, stupidity, belief that the rules do not apply to him and his buddies

The reason I ask is because you obviously called it, and although you know a lot, I don't think you know more than the LA cartel.

So this maniac had to know what was coming.

So while people are frequently accused of being arrogant and thinking the rules don't apply to them, it seems when people voice this cliche, they're speaking figuratively. To see such an obvious example of it is breathtaking.
 
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Jeremiah said:
The reason I ask is because you obviously called it, and although you know a lot, I don't think you know more than the LA cartel.

So this maniac had to know what was coming.

So while people are frequently accused of being arrogant and thinking the rules don't apply to them, it seems when people voice this cliche, they're speaking figuratively. To see such an obvious example of it is breathtaking.

I don't know anything. According to CalJoe I get everything from Twitter :D
 
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Race Radio said:
I don't know anything. According to CalJoe I get everything from Twitter :D

Well that leads to more observations.

At this point in time, for someone to state Armstrong is clean and not a fraud, they would either a)be completely ignorant of the facts, b)be a kool aid drinking cultist, or c) have some kind of vested interest in the mythology.

I guess I would ask CalJoe what category he falls into.

I suppose that is why we have arrived at the legal technicality/beyond a reasonable doubt/SOL, arguments.:rolleyes:
 
It is an interesting question

Of the really elite cyclists I've personally known, they've pretty much all had some anti-social characteristics that make them a bit unlikable as people. These aren't the dudes that help you move your sofa and give you a ride to the airport, they're busy training and that's more important than anything in your life. I think it's part of the business to some degree. Chasing down other riders and really cementing his status as the boss by gifting stages and then publicly claiming as much, and publicly claiming that racers didn't slow down when he crashed when they pretty clearly did.. it's all part of the business. I think he was more overt at it because he didn't command as much personal respect among the peloton and he was probably a little insecure about it, that's the job though.. I also tend to lump Lance with all the others of his era, he never got caught but I find it hard to believe him to be spotless, not the way he toyed with the other elite of the time who were shown to be doped. It is what it is though, a lot of guys never got caught and some did.

I think if I had to really pin down a just a few things about Lance, 1) he really ushered in "specialization." The calendar is raced differently now than it was before him. Maybe it's real, maybe it's not, bottom line though is if you're a legitimate Tour contender you will barely be seen at other races now, let alone really contend them. Other riders in fairly recent times would do the double and would contend other races. The Giro has taken a step back due to Lance and the Vuelta has really fallen off. To the point where winning them doesn't even classify you among the elite of the elite in the sport. That sucks. That really sucks.

2) I have a really hard time with some of the fallings out he's had with people, especially Greg Lemond. Greg was beautiful on the bike, I don't know that I'll ever think bad things about him and what he did and then somehow he and Lance clashed and Lance really threw him under the bus. It could have been a private disagreement but it turned in to a big issue and a lot of the nouveau cycling fans have disliked Greg because of it. It just says a lot about character.

3) The over exposure. To the original point, I think the Vino's, Basso's, Ullrich's and others are maybe more forgivable is due to the language barriers and they aren't over exposed. There is a little bit more myth and lore and mystery makes the illusion a little better. Much less so with Lance. Some fans really want to see how the sausage is made, I get it, but these guys really aren't that interesting, they have incredible focus and drive and determination and they're willing to step on people along the way (someone has to lose, am I right?) and they're not generally the nicest guys but when you don't see as much of them you can sort of imagine that they are better than they are. It's to the point where a lot of folks think all the cancer stuff is just an overt cover with a profit motive, which may be true, but damn if that isn't a crappy way to look at things.
 
TheMight said:
Of the really elite cyclists etc.............

Brilliant synopsis of about 30% of what has been discussed here. You just left out a couple things, lazer like focus, high cadence, never tested positive. However, glossing over the "Raising Cancer Awareness for Fun and Profit" is kind of missing the point of why a lot of people are not "fans" of Armstrong.
First time he retired he should have just stayed retired and holed up on his ranch in Texas, never to appear in the public eye again. Kind of like Big Mig.
 
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Jeremiah said:
Well that leads to more observations.

At this point in time, for someone to state Armstrong is clean and not a fraud, they would either a)be completely ignorant of the facts, b)be a kool aid drinking cultist, or c) have some kind of vested interest in the mythology.

I guess I would ask CalJoe what category he falls into.

I suppose that is why we have arrived at the legal technicality/beyond a reasonable doubt/SOL, arguments.:rolleyes:

Wow, so many choices, Should I pick A, B, or C?

Unfortunately, you have put the cart before the horse. Actually in your case, you appear to have put the horse behind the steaming pile.

I think it would be of interest to many Forum members if you could dig up a post of mine where I...

Jeremiah said:
...state Armstrong is clean and not a fraud,

I do not think you will be able to find anything like that.

If I were you, I would demand a refund for the tuition you paid to the Hogedamus University Of Internet Posting.

And if you took the freshman course there (Hogedumus U 101 - How to Make Stuff Up), my only conclusion is that you did not get a passing grade. You should be able to post the made up stuff with conviction. I detect a lack of emotion/conviction on your part.

I await your research findings on my previous posts.
 

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thehog said:
I’m totally down with his 100k (500k) donation to the UCI. It really helped with the anti-doping efforts.

It helped back then. IIRC, Tyler was busted by that sysmex technology. "Ooops, no hard feelings bro" lol.
 
For me the "28" jerseys incident at the 2010 Tour taking all respect away from the jersey holders.

And the way he uses his supporters to generate hate towards the anti-doping process & USADA.
 
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thehog said:
I’m totally down with his 100k (500k) donation to the UCI. It really helped with the anti-doping efforts.

I'm personally assuming the 2005 doughnation went to Vrijman's bankaccount, through the UCI.
after all, as we've learned recently, LA apparently already "owned" Verbruggen and the UCI. No need for additional donations to the UCI. They had Lance's samples covered at all times.
 
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thehog said:
I’m totally down with his 100k (500k) donation to the UCI. It really helped with the anti-doping efforts.

an alternative scenario is that the 2005 doughnation went to Vrijman's bankaccount, through the UCI.
as we've learned recently, LA apparently already "owned" Verbruggen and the UCI. No need in that case for additional donations to the UCI. They had Lance's samples covered at all times.
 
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This thread is a total fail, the OP could do a search and while a way 100s of hours reading all the various reasons. Any other similar rehashing would get short shrift but given the topic people seem delighted to give a gazillion reasons. But people keep away from the real biggie, perhaps it's just too appalling to mention but for me it's the black socks, they're an affront to the sport and basic human decency.
 
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..just wondering if people reading this rather righteous thread noticed the ad that is in the right hand ad stack from the Reputation.com site...

...their tag line is "Even Gandhi can get a bad reputation online..."

...me, I busted a gut...

..carry on....

Cheers

blutto

P.S....have to agree with the above poster...it was the back socks...epic pau fauxish fashion fail...absolutely no respect after that....like loser or what eh...and frankly this really simplifies life...see black socks show disgust....and then backfill as necessary...
 
sniper said:
an alternative scenario is that the 2005 doughnation went to Vrijman's bankaccount, through the UCI.
as we've learned recently, LA apparently already "owned" Verbruggen and the UCI. No need in that case for additional donations to the UCI. They had Lance's samples covered at all times.

Nah as the payment was made before the 1999 EPO fiasco.
 
rata de sentina said:
But people keep away from the real biggie, perhaps it's just too appalling to mention but for me it's the black socks, they're an affront to the sport and basic human decency.

The black socks were not a fashion statement. It was to cover blood spots from the injection points. They were always worn post rest day.
 
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thehog said:
The black socks were not a fashion statement. It was to cover blood spots from the injection points. They were always worn post rest day.

...this thread is careening off course...we need a new thread...something like Lance's fashion choices as an affront to basic human decency....this is no laughing matter the fate of humanity hangs on stuff like this...and this should be dealt with like right now...

Cheers

blutto