Why isn't Evans ever on a good team?

[auscyclefan94]

So, the forumites think they know everything and take things too seriously and make up absurd theories.

Did she take care to note that there are Cadel fans on this forum who can't hack any criticism, no matter how valid, about their favourite ride, and gets wound up by taking said criticism - often in jest to get a rise out of said Cadel fans' tantrums - too seriously, and has created some absurd theories of how Evans has been screwed out of every race ever ever ever by some far-reaching conspiracy involving his own teams, Australian cyclists and the entire nation of Spain?

no, why would she? she understands that cadel posters know god!

 

[TRDean]

no, why would she? she understands that cadel posters know god!

Dude...for your age, your hero worship of Cadel is really over the top...are you a fan of Justin Beiber too??

 

[auscyclefan94]

Dude...for your age, your hero worship of Cadel is really over the top...are you a fan of Justin Beiber too??

"baby, baby, baby oh oh"

no i am not.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Wow, what a shock

In other words, the same recycled ideas presented by every single other person who has ever been criticised/is close to someone who has been criticised by fans, anytime, anywhere:

- If fans disagree with me, they take themselves too seriously and should relax
- If fans disagree with me they automatically think they know everything.
- If fans disagree with me they automatically know nothing
- If fans disagree with me, they shouldn't judge me/the person I like who is being judged

Basically, it can be summed up as "How dare people have an opinion"

Notice how no one will ever complain about having fans who worship them at every turn and say nothing but good things. If the judgment is good, suddenly people are entitled to judge.

That's not hipocrisy at all



Oh god not this again. I didn't just stirr up a discussion that was dead, did I?

Quick someone change the subject. Uhm.....

Pirates vs. Ninjas. Who would win in a fight? Discuss

easy one: pirates.

 

[issoisso]

See? Lloyd's performance proves he just didn't want to perform like that for Evans. I mean he never did that when Evans rode for Lotto.

Lloyd clearly hates australians.

 

[El Imbatido]

I'm not sure this really goes in here but Chiara Passerini (Cadel's better half) has been reading these forums:

Been reading the Cyclingnews Forum for a while in the last few months.Interesting to see how people think to know everything and be judges

I think it is good that riders and/or their partners actually take a bit of interest in forums. Although i still believe alot of the stuff here can be garbage And for the record. GO EVANS!!

 

[auscyclefan94]

I'm not sure this really goes in here but Chiara Passerini (Cadel's better half) has been reading these forums:



I think it is good that riders and/or their partners actually take a bit of interest in forums. Although i still believe alot of the stuff here can be garbage And for the record. GO EVANS!!

Yeah, i posted it on the other forum page.

 

[El Imbatido]

Which topic was that Aus??

 

[BroDeal]

Well, Evans is boned. Unless I missed someone, Santambrogio was the only BMC that finished with Evans in the maglia rosa group in stage 6. Tomorrow should be a BMC massacre.

 

[Ferminal]

Which topic was that Aus??

This topic, post 118

 

[Sasquatch]

"baby, baby, baby oh oh"

no i am not.

This is an out of there question.

Are you male or female?

There is a reason why I'm asking this. Just want to get an idea if it's a female or male that is praising Evans so much.

 

[Sasquatch]

Well, Evans is boned. Unless I missed someone, Santambrogio was the only BMC that finished with Evans in the maglia rosa group in stage 6. Tomorrow should be a BMC massacre.

That's why if BMC and Cadel were smart, they would send one or two riders up the road and they would sacrifice the stage win and wait for Cadel on the final climb.

Every single stage, someone needs to be in the break from BMC.

But I think tactical thinking is beyond them.

 

[Inner Peace]

Well, Evans is boned. Unless I missed someone, Santambrogio was the only BMC that finished with Evans in the maglia rosa group in stage 6. Tomorrow should be a BMC massacre.

I seem to recall, when this forum had 'troll issues', that when said poster claimed that Astana is in trouble because the whole team (bar Contador and I think de la Fuente) could not finish in the pack in a spanish stage race, everyone hounded him for being ignorant that the team was saving their energy for later stages.

Not the same for Evans?

That aside, I would not expect anyone other than Santambrogio to be with Cadel when the roads go up. When the road gets seroiusly vertical the only team with two people will be Liquigas I reckon, and that's because they have two GC riders in one team. Most other teams have one GC rider, so the nature of the beast is that all contenders are isolated in the mountains. It would be ironic if Basso flatted. Would Nibali hand over his bike?

Teammates in mountains is over-rated. They're a good insurance policy for accidents and punctures, but if you can't climb as fast as the next best GC rider, it doesn't matter how many teammates you have around you, you are boned..

ps - a bit of criticism for my statement that Evans can "easily outclimb Basso". I stand by it, it's my opinion (IMO means, in my opinion right?). Over 2 weeks left in this race. Sastre has to beat Evans up the mountains, so Evans can wheel suck Sastre and Basso and Vino can do their best to wheel suck Evans. My opinion is that with all those hills Evans can take 2 minutes out of Basso and Vino. Good luck seeing Basso "launch" up a mountain. Sastre has the best uphill kick of all the contenders left. Then probably Nibali followed by Evans then Vino, then Basso. But Vino struggles when it gets really steep.

I reckon Basso slips up, won't make the select group of 5 or so, NIbali can so he takes over leadership. Can't wait for the first big test, but I reckon Sastre, Evans and Nibali are the three most talented riders left here, altough we suspect Nibali's form is not 'peaked'. Basso and Vino extremely close behind.

great race so far, and it's only been one week!!

The four original favourites Basso, Vino, Evans and Sastre are still in very good positions

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I seem to recall, when this forum had 'troll issues', that when said poster claimed that Astana is in trouble because the whole team (bar Contador and I think de la Fuente) could not finish in the pack in a spanish stage race, everyone hounded him for being ignorant that the team was saving their energy for later stages.

Not the same for Evans?

No, because with the Astana riders in that race, we could trust that they were saving energy, and Contador didn't really need their help on the specific finish. Óscar Pereiro, Benjamin Noval and Daniel Navarro are decent enough riders that we could feel that they were just preserving energy. With Evans' team, there is the feeling that they don't have the ability levels to be there, and of course, they left Evans totally alone on stage 3 when he lost time. On stage 6 yesterday the pace wasn't particularly high, there were two cat.2 climbs and a cat.3, and still only two BMC riders - including Evans - could make it in in the bunch. If the riders had a level of prestige or experience that we knew they were sandbagging we'd probably be fine with it, but there's the doubts being placed in our mind that they genuinely are struggling.

Besides, there's a difference between leaving your leader with only one domestique when that leader is the best climber in the world, and the only race at stake is the Volta ao Algarve. When that leader could well be outclimbed (by Sastre) or outnumbered (by Basso and Nibali) and the race at stake is the Giro d'Italia, only a fool would take those risks.

 

[auscyclefan94]

No, because with the Astana riders in that race, we could trust that they were saving energy, and Contador didn't really need their help on the specific finish. Óscar Pereiro, Benjamin Noval and Daniel Navarro are decent enough riders that we could feel that they were just preserving energy. With Evans' team, there is the feeling that they don't have the ability levels to be there, and of course, they left Evans totally alone on stage 3 when he lost time. On stage 6 yesterday the pace wasn't particularly high, there were two cat.2 climbs and a cat.3, and still only two BMC riders - including Evans - could make it in in the bunch. If the riders had a level of prestige or experience that we knew they were sandbagging we'd probably be fine with it, but there's the doubts being placed in our mind that they genuinely are struggling.

Besides, there's a difference between leaving your leader with only one domestique when that leader is the best climber in the world, and the only race at stake is the Volta ao Algarve. When that leader could well be outclimbed (by Sastre) or outnumbered (by Basso and Nibali) and the race at stake is the Giro d'Italia, only a fool would take those risks.

Come on, Contador can do no wrong on this forum. Because lance treated him like dirt everyone feels sorry for him and likes him.

 

[Moondance]

Come on, Contador can do no wrong on this forum. Because lance treated him like dirt everyone feels sorry for him and likes him.

I don't particularly like Contador....

I think he's an amazing rider, and I'll pick him in any stage race he sets his mind on winning... But like.... No way.

 

[Cerberus]

easy one: pirates.

I concur. On the other hand ninja versus pirate or even pirates is an easy win for the ninja.

 

[happychappy]

Why doesn't Cuddles move to an australian Pro Tour team? He might be able to inspire a little more camaraderie

 

[Galic Ho]

Well, Evans is boned. Unless I missed someone, Santambrogio was the only BMC that finished with Evans in the maglia rosa group in stage 6. Tomorrow should be a BMC massacre.

Guess you picked wrong on this one. Evans just made mince meat of everyone in the Giro. Looks like my pick for the win was horribly wrong. Sastre better find something special very fast or his Giro is over. Well done to the two Aussies. Two days and two wins for Lloyd and Evans. Cannot fault that.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Guess you picked wrong on this one. Evans just made mince meat of everyone in the Giro. Looks like my pick for the win was horribly wrong. Sastre better find something special very fast or his Giro is over. Well done to the two Aussies. Two days and two wins for Lloyd and Evans. Cannot fault that.

bro likes to make outrageous comments.

 

[richwagmn]

Guess you picked wrong on this one. Evans just made mince meat of everyone in the Giro. Looks like my pick for the win was horribly wrong. Sastre better find something special very fast or his Giro is over. Well done to the two Aussies. Two days and two wins for Lloyd and Evans. Cannot fault that.

Evans seems to have turned a corner after his worlds win last year. I'm actually impressed with what I'm seeing.

I love the unfolding Evans/Vino fight. Looks like an entertaining Giro this year.

 

[BroDeal]

Guess you picked wrong on this one. Evans just made mince meat of everyone in the Giro. Looks like my pick for the win was horribly wrong. Sastre better find something special very fast or his Giro is over. Well done to the two Aussies. Two days and two wins for Lloyd and Evans. Cannot fault that.

The point stands. Team BMC blows. Other than Evans, the first BMC rider finished 64th, fourteen minutes down on Evans. One, John Murphy, finished dead last, even behind Meyer and Bobridge, both of whom the aussies are complaining are too delicate to ride a GT. Murphy might not make the cut tomorrow.

Evans himself is in great form and appears to have fire in the belly. I would not mind seeing Evans win. I like pulling for the underdog. It is just frustrating that Evans has not stacked the deck in his favor. He has made things harder than they should be. On a strong team, the only rider that might stand in his way is Vino. As it is, winning the Giro is still iffy. He will have to do everything himself, and that is not a good position to be in.

Evans should thank the gods that Vino and his team are there to take the load off BMC tomorrow.

 

[Galic Ho]

The point stands. Team BMC blows. Other than Evans, the first BMC rider finished 64th, fourteen minutes down on Evans. One, John Murphy, finished dead last, even behind Meyer and Bobridge, both of whom the aussies are complaining are too delicate to ride a GT. Murphy might not make the cut tomorrow.

Evans himself is in great form and appears to have fire in the belly. I would not mind seeing Evans win. I like pulling for the underdog. It is just frustrating that Evans has not stacked the deck in his favor. He has made things harder than they should be. On a strong team, the only rider that might stand in his way is Vino. As it is, winning the Giro is still iffy. He will have to do everything himself, and that is not a good position to be in.

Evans should thank the gods that Vino and his team are there to take the load off BMC tomorrow.

I meant for the next stage not the whole race. You said the next stage Evans was screwed. Didn't go as planned.

Agree though about the team. Saw the results from stage 6 and they were embarrassing. Santambrogio, and that was it for BMC next to Evans lending a hand on day 6 in such a minor stage. There were numerous groups falling behind the peloton and most of BMC came in well over 10 minutes down. Not good at all. There are far more savage days to come.

ACF94, BroDeal calls it right far more often than you do. He isn't exaggerating about BMC. He also said Evans was on fire right now so he is giving Cadel credit, but telling it as it is about his team at the same time.

Evans is in a very strong position. He got time on Liquigas and is now in front and Sastre is miles back. He really has to hope Vino holds onto the Maglia Rosa and doesn't pop before the last 4 days, because BMC cannot defend that jersey anytime in the next 10 days, for days on end. BMC could handle maybe one or two but that is it. Cadel in pink before the final 3 days would fall right into the hands of a minor guy to make a massive break or Liquigas to utilise their stength. Not saying that I don't think Evans right now could not handle them, I think he could, it just would not be advantageous considering the highs and lows this Giro has dished out during the first 7 days. Vino lasted about 12-14 days in the Vuelta so a few more this time is well within expectations. I cannot see anyone beating these two right now. They should get first and second.

I knew Evans had changed but this is a little more than I expected. He looked much stronger than all the others. Vino looked like he was hurting more. Low, low gear ratio on wet dirt/slush and 100+ rpm cadence. Dumb Vino, dumb. He must have been hurting to do that. It looked slippery at times and a super low gear is never a bright idea on dirt. I can attest to that. Put it up a gear or two and drop the cadence. You go just as fast and get more traction and don't waste as much energy.

 

[BroDeal]

I meant for the next stage not the whole race. You said the next stage Evans was screwed. Didn't go as planned.

Agree though about the team. Saw the results from stage 6 and they were embarrassing. Santambrogio, and that was it for BMC next to Evans lending a hand on day 6 in such a minor stage. There were numerous groups falling behind the peloton and most of BMC came in well over 10 minutes down. Not good at all. There are far more savage days to come.

ACF94, BroDeal calls it right far more often than you do. He isn't exaggerating about BMC. He also said Evans was on fire right now so he is giving Cadel credit, but telling it as it is about his team at the same time.

Evans is in a very strong position. He got time on Liquigas and is now in front and Sastre is miles back. He really has to hope Vino holds onto the Maglia Rosa and doesn't pop before the last 4 days, because BMC cannot defend that jersey anytime in the next 10 days, for days on end. BMC could handle maybe one or two but that is it. Cadel in pink before the final 3 days would fall right into the hands of a minor guy to make a massive break or Liquigas to utilise their stength. Not saying that I don't think Evans right now could not handle them, I think he could, it just would not be advantageous considering the highs and lows this Giro has dished out during the first 7 days. Vino lasted about 12-14 days in the Vuelta so a few more this time is well within expectations. I cannot see anyone beating these two right now. They should get first and second.

I knew Evans had changed but this is a little more than I expected. He looked much stronger than all the others. Vino looked like he was hurting more. Low, low gear ratio on wet dirt/slush and 100+ rpm cadence. Dumb Vino, dumb. He must have been hurting to do that. It looked slippery at times and a super low gear is never a bright idea on dirt. I can attest to that. Put it up a gear or two and drop the cadence. You go just as fast and get more traction and don't waste as much energy.

No, I said Evans is screwed in general and his team would get massacred on today's stage.

If Vino falters tomorrow then I can see BMC not making it to the final week with many riders.

I don't think we can use Vino's Vuelta performance last year to predict anything. He was just coming off a suspension. He got stronger every race after the Vuelta and was a player in Lombardy. I think he will be strong the whole Giro. He will likely have his usual bad day in the high mountains, and Evans usual consistency will win out.

 

[autologous]

Vino looked like he was hurting more. Low, low gear ratio on wet dirt/slush and 100+ rpm cadence. Dumb Vino, dumb. He must have been hurting to do that. It looked slippery at times and a super low gear is never a bright idea on dirt. I can attest to that. Put it up a gear or two and drop the cadence. You go just as fast and get more traction and don't waste as much energy.

Poor dumb Vino, never ridden a hard grand tour stage in the dirt, never ridden a brutal spring classic, only just figuring out this tricky pedaling thing and the relationship between gear and cadence and the efficiency of his own motor. He should listen to someone that obviously knows from experience.

Yeah, that's it. You tell Vino how to pedal a bike.

While you're at it, tell the 180+ world class riders that he just buried.

What are you doing slumming it on an internet forum? shouldn't you be making 6 figures consulting with pro teams, showing them how to pedal, having them try to imitate your glorious skills?