Wig Strong

[BroDeal]

Uh-oh. The troll is getting upset. Soon he'll be sending me more crazy PMs.

 

[Ferminal]

Warning for Wigans Fans

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[Anonymous]

I think brads point was as much in reply to the

"is this a victory for clean cycling" question..

no, its a victory for me, or its a victory for sky, or its a victory for the team etc.. stop trying to make everything about doping.. Its not a clean v dirty war, or the good guys v the bad guys, we are just a team trying to win..

Im sure he had some of you guys firmly in mind when he said it.. x

 

[buckwheat]

The key point here is that Wigans goes out of his way to talk about hypocrites. He clearly does not want to be seen as one. And then he refuses to diss Vino. He brings Vino up on his own to let his fellow riders know that he is a stand up guy who won't spit in the soup. He also takes time to badmouth those who speak out about doping,, likening them to annoying, prudish Jehovah's Witnesses. The conclusion is obvious.

Shorthand, he's a douchebag.

STFU and ride the bike and stop making douchebag speeches.

Oh yeah, utilizing full gear too!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

As the interviewer noted, Sky has a reputation for being a clean team. That's the context of Wiggin's comments. Wiggins was simply saying they don't want to ram that down everyone's throats and go about saying every victory is a strike against the dopers - as if everyone else must be doping. Perhaps he was referencing Garmin who use anti doping as a marketing strategy.

As ever, Wiggins' straight foward, down to earth, honesty is twisted against him on the intenetz.

Occasionally you write something that I agree with and you were doing well until the highlighted sentence and the paragraph that followed.

Wiggins 'honesty' - where was Wiggins honest before in his remarks? And what constitutes 'honesty'?

I know he has a reputation as a strong anti-doping person - I believe he said something to the effect of 'get the *******s out' during the 2007 Tour. But all statements I have read appear to be after the doping incidences, perhaps I have missed something so would appreciate more info.

Garmin have on their water bottles 100% clean and have been a lot more open with the media to show their team ....but I have not read any report where they have highlighted the failings of another team.

As for Team Sky - yes, they have a reputation as a 'clean team'... just like BMC had this time a month ago.

 

[Anonymous]

As for Team Sky - yes, they have a reputation as a 'clean team'... just like BMC had this time a month ago.

did they.......?

 

[hfer07]

Actually he is only doing precisely what almost everybody here was demanding the kid from RadioShack do last week.

Wiggins has two choices if he wants to be consistent. Firstly, he could turn himself into a Greg Lemond type farse and do a speech against doping at every race, become judge and jury and attack every rider even suspected of doping, putting him at war with half the peloton and all the big names like Armstrong.

Now, though you would love that, it's just not practical, would be hugely distracting and would make him very unpopular with the public before it even got to the riders. It's just not his job to do that, nor should it be, and he would hate all the attention.

So, what do you do to be a consistent anti doper? You lead by example and are known for your clean practises, but are careful not to be a hypocrite - which means not saying Vino should not be allowed to race but are then seen chatting happily to Basso and Millar in the peloton.

I don't know why some people hate Wiggins. He's precisely the type of person who would not be seen dead with a foundation named after him. He hates talking about his gold medals and says he does not want to "live off" them, and is obviously embarrassed by all the promotional and sponsorship stuff for the team. He has two loves in life - cycling and playing the guitar, and not all the celebrity bullsh*t.

Surely this is a man right up your street?

well, the alternative is to keep his mouth shut & do the talking with his legs

 

[Ferminal]

did they.......?

No positives = Clean

 

[Dr. Maserati]

did they.......?

.....oooops, sorry. I meant Lampre.

Oh wait no ..... the other one Liquigas, thats it.

(As an aside, I put in 'BMC' and 'clean' in to google...... all references are in 2008! Appears to be nothing since then! )

 

[santacruz]

So is Wiggins really trying to trash Garmin for being outspoken about doping?? Garmin is one of the only teams doing the right thing and making a stand against doping, and representing that view with riders who are also against doping... It's such a relief to be able to believe that SOMEONE is riding clean.. it sucks because they should be getting better results, but that's one of the drawbacks of riding clean. I never thought Wiggo was the type of rider to attack one of the only things that is right about Pro Cycling (garmin), because I thought he was a clean dude, but maybe he has been assimilated and is on the magic sauce now??

I really don't understand fans like Berzin who say "who cares about doping I want to see a show!" How can they not care that riders have an unfair advantage?? Doesn't Berzin see what that does to the young riders coming up in the ranks, they have to become douche bag dopers to compete, **** that **** this has to end!!! Berzin you are out of your friggin mind, capitan. We can go back to the awesome spectacle of the 90's when everyone is assuredly clean.

 

[Mellow Velo]

All teams are only as clean as their last dope test.
I am amazed to find myself in agreement with Mr Volcano.
Been saying for some time that those who come out with ludicrously, OTT statements about "dopers", do so, to polish their own "clean" image.

I also think that Wiggins has delivered a statement, that should meet approval with most savy cycling/doping followers.

Forget who made the statement for a moment. Someone asks a rider for his opinion on a recently returned violator. He faces 3 choices, on the spot.
1) Say nothing and end up getting slammed by the experts.
2) Go ape **** and have a "dirty/clean" rant and end up applauded by the casual observers/naive/press etc. Slammed by the experts.
3) Make a realistic assessment and call out the hypocrisy.

I'm no fan of Wiggins, but I like the fact that he highlighted a few things that needed saying.
Take note, Mr Harmon.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Forget who made the statement for a moment. Someone asks a rider for his opinion on a recently returned violator. He faces 3 choices, on the spot.
1) Say nothing and end up getting slammed by the experts.
2) Go ape **** and have a "dirty/clean" rant and end up applauded by the casual observers/naive/press etc. Slammed by the experts.
3) Make a realistic assessment and call out the hypocrisy.

I'm no fan of Wiggins, but I like the fact that he highlighted a few things that needed saying.
Take note, Mr Harmon.

So experts are people who think all top riders are dirty?

 

[python]

i think wiggins should be giving interviews in a language other than english.

then everything will be fine as the english speaking journalists will only have to use quotes that could always be tagged as inaccurate translations or out of context or something 'i did not say'

 

[Anonymous]

I am wondering what young mr phinney made of brads comments.. Why wind up lance when you can wind up the prodigy

 

[auscyclefan94]

I am wondering what young mr phinney made of brads comments.. Why wind up lance when you can wind up the prodigy

Give it to him Dim!

 

[Galic Ho]

All teams are only as clean as their last dope test.
I am amazed to find myself in agreement with Mr Volcano.
Been saying for some time that those who come out with ludicrously, OTT statements about "dopers", do so, to polish their own "clean" image.

I also think that Wiggins has delivered a statement, that should meet approval with most savy cycling/doping followers.

Forget who made the statement for a moment. Someone asks a rider for his opinion on a recently returned violator. He faces 3 choices, on the spot.
1) Say nothing and end up getting slammed by the experts.
2) Go ape **** and have a "dirty/clean" rant and end up applauded by the casual observers/naive/press etc. Slammed by the experts.
3) Make a realistic assessment and call out the hypocrisy.

I'm no fan of Wiggins, but I like the fact that he highlighted a few things that needed saying.
Take note, Mr Harmon.

Wigans is an a$$hole. His statement was a slap in the face to everyone whose knows a little about doping. Brad could never have won yesterdays stage clean and he knows it. Then once again he opens his flapper. The hypocrisy Melo was Wigans putrid self expose. Everything he said referred to himself, Sky and Garmin and the changes the new team has allowed. He once again alluded loosely to the new program. Did anyone here honestly believe the crap he was spewing? Stuff proclaiming one can win clean and improve over guys who he says everyone knew were doping? Oh, the diet and training again. It is what he said and what he didn't say that sinks him. He is doping and once again rubbed everyone's face in it with his big mouth and people have and will continue to buy it.

Can't wait for him to get caught or choke. The guy is an A Grade Tool. Master of the douchebag's in the peloton. Lance is 10 times better than this chump (that means a lot). Rant over.

 

[Galic Ho]

He basically contradicted himself. Nearly all are scared of saying something bad about him.

He always contradicts himself. BroDeal has it, the conclusion has been obvious for over 8 months. He is the worst kind of doper I can think of. He just keeps going on and on and on and on. He's like the Energizer Battery. None stop shocks.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Obviously, you centre on the man and not some of his words.
Fair enough. I expected that many couldn't look past the man.
Like I said, I'm no fan of Wiggins, but he's got the Vino situation right, whether it ultimately be self serving or not.

I do smile at the way that you condemn Wiggins as the worst kind of doper, with no evidence, but defend Valverde to the death.
Hard to take such a subjective view seriously.


Anyhow, I've said my piece. Wiggins on Vino, good, IMO.
As for the speculation and character debate, I'm prepared to leave that door open, but right now. I'd rather watch the Giro.

 

[Galic Ho]

Obviously, you centre on the man and not some of his words.
Fair enough. I expected that many couldn't look past the man.
Like I said, I'm no fan of Wiggins, but he's got the Vino situation right, whether it ultimately be self serving or not.

I do smile at the way that you condemn Wiggins as the worst kind of doper, with no evidence, but defend Valverde to the death.
Hard to take such a subjective view seriously.


Anyhow, I've said my piece. Wiggins on Vino, good, IMO.
As for the speculation and character debate, I'm prepared to leave that door open, but right now. I'd rather watch the Giro.

Same here I prefer to watch the racing. I know he won't have the Maglia Rosa forl long and I was relieved to hear him say his aim is the Tour. He should be absent for a while. It was his comments today/yesterday that annoyed me. Particularly the hypocrisy of what he said about doping, Sky's attitude towards doping and then both combined with his joy in knowing he'll have that jersey forever. I did not need to hear the last bit.

But he was right about Vino. I'll give him that much. I don't defend Valverde to the death. After the Spanish Court ruling this week the nails in the coffin are coming. I only needed to hear how CONI got the evidence, which has been cleared up by the Spanish. I don't see him not getting a world wide ban. I just hope it comes after the Tour because he is needed to make the race interesting.

Wigans being the worst kind of doper. Not really about the doping, I take issue with his tongue and penchant since last July for flapping to the media. Comes down to his sudden rise coupled with his tongue flapping. I think he does it in jest to spite people. What I hate is the intent I perceive. I think he says what he does to really **** the anti-doping lobby off. Vino and Valverde only talk about themselves. Brad keeps going and expands the subject to his old team and new team. In other words, he says too much. I'd much prefer the dopers just zipped it and stopped with the PR lines. Outright funny excuses are cool, because they are funny and so ridiculous. Only fools buy their lines. Wigans tone is masked and can confuse far more people than some dodgy post dope apology or denial.

Now off to watch the F1 and see my countryman hand his team mate another frebbie. Then the Giro.

 

[Anonymous]

Occasionally you write something that I agree with and you were doing well until the highlighted sentence and the paragraph that followed.

Wiggins 'honesty' - where was Wiggins honest before in his remarks? And what constitutes 'honesty'?

I know he has a reputation as a strong anti-doping person - I believe he said something to the effect of 'get the *******s out' during the 2007 Tour. But all statements I have read appear to be after the doping incidences, perhaps I have missed something so would appreciate more info.

Garmin have on their water bottles 100% clean and have been a lot more open with the media to show their team ....but I have not read any report where they have highlighted the failings of another team.

As for Team Sky - yes, they have a reputation as a 'clean team'... just like BMC had this time a month ago.

In all honesty, you are the best poster on this forum.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Occasionally you write something that I agree with and you were doing well until the highlighted sentence and the paragraph that followed.

Thanks for backing me up.

I don't know if he might have been referencing Garmin or not, which is why I said 'perhaps'. I certainly have no problem with Garmin. But they do have a marketing strategy of anti doping. Millar talked about it in the longer version of this interview....
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/millar-pro-cycling-cleaner-than-its-ever-been#

Doesn't seem to be on the website anymore - maybe you can use your skills to find it.

Wiggins 'honesty' - where was Wiggins honest before in his remarks? And what constitutes 'honesty'?

Every interview he gives, like this one. Always straightforward and honest, doesn't take himself seriously and no show-boating.

I know he has a reputation as a strong anti-doping person - I believe he said something to the effect of 'get the *******s out' during the 2007 Tour. But all statements I have read appear to be after the doping incidences, perhaps I have missed something so would appreciate more info.

I don't understand what you mean. What is the point?

Garmin have on their water bottles 100% clean and have been a lot more open with the media to show their team ....but I have not read any report where they have highlighted the failings of another team.

But they market themselves as the anti doping team which has a clear implication.

As for Team Sky - yes, they have a reputation as a 'clean team'... just like BMC had this time a month ago.

I don't think BMC had quite the reputation of Sky.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Dr. Maserati

In all honesty, you are the best poster on this forum.

Surprised to see you agreeing with Dr. Maserati and me on this one. Thanks I suppose.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Thanks for backing me up.

I don't know if he might have been referencing Garmin or not, which is why I said 'perhaps'. I certainly have no problem with Garmin. But they do have a marketing strategy of anti doping. Millar talked about it in the longer version of this interview....
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/millar-pro-cycling-cleaner-than-its-ever-been#

Doesn't seem to be on the website anymore - maybe you can use your skills to find it.



Every interview he gives, like this one. Always straightforward and honest, doesn't take himself seriously and no show-boating.



I don't understand what you mean. What is the point?



But they market themselves as the anti doping team which has a clear implication.



I don't think BMC had quite the reputation of Sky.

Did you actually readthe piece you provided?

Teams are much more responsible now - at least ours is. I don't know about other teams. I take a great deal of pride making sure the young guys aren't like I was when I was younger.

So where do Garmin "market themselves as the anti doping team which has a clear implication"? They have the exact same 'policy' as Team Sky.

As for Bradley- he has a 'reputation' as being 'outspoken' yet all the comments I have read came after doping issues (eg Moreini), perhaps I have missed some comments or did they fall off the internet too?

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Did you actually readthe piece you provided?

So where do Garmin "market themselves as the anti doping team which has a clear implication"? They have the exact same 'policy' as Team Sky.

How does that quote dispute anything?

In the longer version of that interview Millar talks about how the anti doping thing is used as a marketing strategy by Garmin - that he and Vaughters promote the way the media always comes to them for an interview when a doping issue arises and this is good for their sponsors. But, he says, it's a strategy based on sincere prinicples. Do you remember it? In the same interview he talked about the effects of EPO at sustaining your maximum effort, how he got busted by the cops, and his relationship with Armstrong.

As for Bradley- he has a 'reputation' as being 'outspoken' yet all the comments I have read came after doping issues (eg Moreini), perhaps I have missed some comments or did they fall off the internet too?

I still don't understand what your point is. Surely Wiggins explained his approach in this interview? Did I say "outspoken"?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

How does that quote dispute anything?

In the longer version of that interview Millar talks about how the anti doping thing is used as a marketing strategy by Garmin - that he and Vaughters promote the way the media always comes to them for an interview when a doping issue arises and this is good for their sponsors. But, he says, it's a strategy based on sincere prinicples. Do you remember it? In the same interview he talked about the effects of EPO at sustaining your maximum effort, how he got busted by the cops, and his relationship with Armstrong.



I still don't understand what your point is. Surely Wiggins explained his approach in this interview? Did I say "outspoken"?

I agree with you to a point that Garmin 'market' themselves as a clean team but you wrote this earlier...

But they market themselves as the anti doping team which has a clear implication.

...... I think it is a stretch to say they 'imply' other teams dope - they don't, they highlight what they do and never mention other teams.

On Wiggins, you wrote this earlier:

As ever, Wiggins' straight foward, down to earth, honesty is twisted against him on the intenetz.

I was wondering what you meant by "honesty" - if it is in relation to yesterdays comments, then I agree - it was one of his best statements.
But you said "as ever" - so I would be interested in seeing what statements he made before have been 'twisted'.