Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[oldcrank]

Ah. I have had to put up with all that when training as well. Mind you, I am far from a world champion or olympic gold medalist who was one of the key reasons the BC track program had ongoing funding.

I was under the impression that the time, given it's quick, would have been done under comp conditions, so they can gauge training effect and form.

That he was competing in a pursuit event while other people were training on the track, without the stress of pads to emulate competition conditions, having done a non-competition possible warm up behind a derny, does not make any sense whatsoever to my personal experience and research on how to prepare for competition, but does provide an explanation for the apparent discrepancy between training and competition times.

ETA: thinking about it, I am surprised you did not suggest it was a flying start as well ;-)

Cheers.

At a certain point in an athlete's development
a simple ''race rehearsal'' will be an important
component of the preparation for competition.

At other times, different methods and protocols
will take on a more significant role, my half
British friend.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Hm sure.

I see guys going ~1 sec quicker after getting a derny draft for their flying 200s, but they don't go telling people they ride 9.9s for their flying 200, coz it seems disingenuous, ya know?

I guess I'd say the same, personally. If I did a PB with a bunch of people riding on the track for a 3km pursuit in training I'd be adding that as a caveat, not leaving it out. Wait. I doubt I'd even mention the PB.

Particularly if I could already rest on the laurels of world and olympic gold medals.

Anyway, there's all shades of grey when it comes to deriving worth from various endeavours we partake in, innit?

 

[blackcat]

At a certain point in an athlete's development
a simple ''race rehearsal'' will be an important
component of the preparation for competition.

At other times, different methods and protocols
will take on a more significant role, my half
British friend.

on the spectrum of visualisation.

it may have been Sally Pearson, but it was a high class athlete going for Worlds or Olympics and (I think it was a female) her preparation was undermined thru some injury and it was not a de facto "taper". And she just practised with a visualisation. Yes, i might be a tad credible, and it sounds like bullsh!t. Or, in Dear Wiggo's inimitable "sounds legit" <DW ironic>

And I even think there are some sports scientists, not psychologists, biomechanists, who have seen the brain being able to influence hypertrophy with this technique of training.

Anyway, so a race prep, or training race, would be on this spectrum i assume... old crank

 

[blackcat]

re:faster in training. I know this aint cycling.

But I wanna know how much higher Sergei Bubka got in training. And yes, I know he broke WR's for his Nike bonuses at 0.5 inches at a time.

I also wanna know if Australia's Steve Hooker got the WR in training.

And a French guy, i think he is French anywya, he finally took down Bubka's decade and a half WR. Might even be two decade WR.

But Bubka managed to do an Armstrong like act of *******ry, on the board of the UCI, there a few rules in the polevault changed to make it more difficult, the "stays" on which the bar rests are narrower, and it takes much less of a touch.

anyway, this is prolly not the best measurement of "highest jump" versus the WR of highest jump when clearing the bar and not knocking it. The highest jump may well have cleared a hypothetical bar a foot higher than the bar that was cleared.

 

[blackcat]

re: Oldcrank

I really wanna know what times that Dale Parker and michael Hepburn would have done when they did their jnr 3km WRs of 3'15" and 3'16". (one appreciates they would have died and were only going for 3km not 4, but with a hypothetical gear ratio (not jnr gear limit) and the Del Monte 40degree January track, I wonder what time they would have put out.

 

[oldcrank]

Hm sure.

I see guys going ~1 sec quicker after getting a derny draft for their flying 200s, but they don't go telling people they ride 9.9s for their flying 200, coz it seems disingenuous, ya know?

I guess I'd say the same, personally. If I did a PB with a bunch of people riding on the track for a 3km pursuit in training I'd be adding that as a caveat, not leaving it out. Wait. I doubt I'd even mention the PB.

Particularly if I could already rest on the laurels of world and olympic gold medals.

Anyway, there's all shades of grey when it comes to deriving worth from various endeavours we partake in, innit?

4:13 ''in training'' is the caveat, my friend,
and all the track riders I drink with understand
that ''in training'' does not mean ''race simulation.''
Perhaps it is different in your group.

I don't recall it being Sir Brad that mentioned the
''4:13 in training''...wasn't it just some poster on
this forum? Maybe Wiggo and Dear Wiggo have
more in common than being half British.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

4:13 ''in training'' is the caveat, my friend,
and all the track riders I drink with understand
that ''in training'' does not mean ''race simulation.''
Perhaps it is different in your group.

Yeah in my group we don't time our efforts when the track is covered in cyclists, providing a timing advantage. In training simply means we were training, vs in competition.

Don't know anyone who goes better in training than competition.

Also: I get you're being clever and all, but we're not friends, and it's a point of contention when you persist in calling me same.

Particulary when you add your little personal jibe at the end of your post.

I don't recall it being Sir Brad that mentioned the
''4:13 in training''...wasn't it just some poster on
this forum?

For Wiggo I heard 4:13 in training with 580W which would mean about 570W for 4:15. Didn't see that particular tweet from Geraint but he tweeted before about doing 580W for a 5 minute power test, beating Jez Hunt by 3W.

Strange that they would have his power figure - in line with what Wiggins himself mentioned for his WR and OG times - as well. Perhaps they borrowed Wiggins' PM post-training session? Or perhaps Wiggins himself mentioned it? Who knows.

Maybe Wiggo and Dear Wiggo have
more in common than being half British.

I don't even understand what you are trying to get at here, but I cannot construct a compliment from it. As I mentioned previously: I do not appreciate the insincere "my friend", nor the veiled insult here.

I thought we were having a civil discussion.

I'd like to point out, yet again, that I have not trolled or insulted anyone in this exchange, but the same cannot be said for the other participants in the conversation.

 

[oldcrank]

on the spectrum of visualisation.

it may have been Sally Pearson, but it was a high class athlete going for Worlds or Olympics and (I think it was a female) her preparation was undermined thru some injury and it was not a de facto "taper". And she just practised with a visualisation. Yes, i might be a tad credible, and it sounds like bullsh!t. Or, in Dear Wiggo's inimitable "sounds legit" <DW ironic>

And I even think there are some sports scientists, not psychologists, biomechanists, who have seen the brain being able to influence hypertrophy with this technique of training.

Anyway, so a race prep, or training race, would be on this spectrum i assume... old crank

Yes, my friend, I do agree that in elite athletes
mental preparation in various guises, including
visualisation will play a very large role.....but
if you are equating visualisation with a 'dress
rehearsal' or 'race simulation' I am not sure
that I understand...perhaps were are not
using the same terms when describing the
same concepts?

 

[sittingbison]

settle gentle(wo)men, settle

cheers
bison

 

[oldcrank]

Yeah in my group we don't time our efforts when the track is covered in cyclists, providing a timing advantage. In training simply means we were training, vs in competition.

Don't know anyone who goes better in training than competition.

Also: I get you're being clever and all, but we're not friends, and it's a point of contention when you persist in calling me same.

Particulary when you add your little personal jibe at the end of your post.





Strange that they would have his power figure - in line with what Wiggins himself mentioned for his WR and OG times - as well. Perhaps they borrowed Wiggins' PM post-training session? Or perhaps Wiggins himself mentioned it? Who knows.



I don't even understand what you are trying to get at here, but I cannot construct a compliment from it. As I mentioned previously: I do not appreciate the insincere "my friend", nor the veiled insult here.

I thought we were having a civil discussion.

I'd like to point out, yet again, that I have not trolled or insulted anyone in this exchange, but the same cannot be said for the other participants in the conversation.

My use of 'my friend' is not insincere, my friend,
because even though I strongly disagree with
many of your posts, I do believe we share a
fondness for a wonderful sport and if we met
somewhere other than this forum perhaps we
would unwittingly join in the same pace-line
and share a drink afterwards. And if no-one
mentioned Sky or Froome, we might be none
the wiser.

And comparing you to Sir Brad was not meant as
an insult. I was just pointing out that he, like you,
did not mention any training PB. Sorry if you took it
as an insult or jibe, it was meant as a joke in light
of your recent 'half British' revelation on this forum.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

My use of 'my friend' is not insincere, my friend,
because even though I strongly disagree with
many of your posts, I do believe we share a
fondness for a wonderful sport and if we met
somewhere other than this forum perhaps we
would unwittingly join in the same pace-line
and share a drink afterwards. And if no-one
mentioned Sky or Froome, we might be none
the wiser.

And comparing you to Sir Brad was not meant as
an insult. I was just pointing out that he, like you,
did not mention any training PB. Sorry if you took it
as an insult or jibe, it was meant as a joke in light
of your recent 'half British' revelation on this forum.

Fair enough.

I know you do not wish to be drawn into a doping discussion, but have you ever shared your thoughts on the Bradley Wiggins of 2009 - in terms of performance, let's forget the public Lance love - at the Tour de France? ie where did the performance come from?

And do you have any idea who coached him? Or where he trained?

 

[oldcrank]

re: Oldcrank

I really wanna know what times that Dale Parker and michael Hepburn would have done when they did their jnr 3km WRs of 3'15" and 3'16". (one appreciates they would have died and were only going for 3km not 4, but with a hypothetical gear ratio (not jnr gear limit) and the Del Monte 40degree January track, I wonder what time they would have put out.

I think Dale's sub 3:14 would have equated to a 4:20
and Michael's sub 3:16 to a 4.22 or so...and remember
there is no u19 gear restriction on the track.

 

[blackcat]

you sure about the gears for the u19s (sry, you would know), but I was under the misconception

 

[oldcrank]

For U17 and under gear restrictions are
for both road and track, for U19 they
are only for the road, my friend.

Further to the ''training times'' discussion I
had with my fellow coach, Dear Wiggo:
I wish I could convince him of the benefits,
including psychological, of such protocols.

Perhaps it is something like in athletics
when a jumper or thrower achieves a
mark ''in training''...nobody expects that
mark was necessarily achieved in just
six throws while respecting maximum
time between throws, or minimum number
of competitor rules. Likewise if a high
jumper has three consecutive misses in
training but makes the height on the
fourth, she can still say I jumped 1.XX
''in training.''

Just as at the velodrome, saying that
is not an attempt to deceive anyone.

At Dunc Gray Velodrome, where I have
spent many an hour, there is usually
the possibility (Mon-Fri/9AM-5PM)
that anyone could have a totally
empty track (but perhaps not the pads
and the starting gate) to do a solo time
trial. However, at many other tracks
around the world, training times and
costs would not allow it very often.

 

[Gavandope]

I never realised Sir Brad brought that old chestnut up. Unless he's being deliberately sarcastic and on a wind up which I wouldn't put past him doing one bit.

Before anyone asks yes I had a small cloud over him in 2009 and a slightly bigger one in 2012 - but unlike others when he pushed it hard he didn't look as chilled as a rasta smoking a big blunt and the course pretty much suited him.

I think he's had it as a gc rider now anyway...

 

[the sceptic]

This old article is full of comedy cold.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradley-wiggins-the-transformation-64032

He asked his Columbia team manager Brian Holm how he saw the 2009 season panning out. Holm told him there was a place in the Mark Cavendish lead-out train for him, but that he couldn’t be guaranteed a place in the Tour.

You’d be stupid not to build a team around Cav, but part of me wanted more than that for myself. I wasn’t an integral part of the lead-out train anyway. I’d just be filling a space.”

This is the best part. Hog could not have written this better.

When Cycle Sport sends him a text to arrange an interview he writes back: “Of course, people will think I’m on drugs.”



Who?



“The guys I rode with on the French teams. My mates I’ve spent many hours with in the grupetto.”



Well, if you’re not on drugs, just ignore it. Don’t ease up just because you fear a whispering campaign.



“I won’t. VDV [Christian Vande Velde] said he got the same thing last year.”

Then another text: “I’m not on drugs.”

 

[Benotti69]

This old article is full of comedy cold.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradley-wiggins-the-transformation-64032

This is the best part. Hog could not have written this better.

Yep, Wiggins is just like VdV. Doper.

 

[daveyt]

This old article is full of comedy cold.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradley-wiggins-the-transformation-64032







This is the best part. Hog could not have written this better.

Good read thank you, enjoyed that.

And not because I get off on pretending there is something in that article that there isn't.

 

[the sceptic]

Good read thank you, enjoyed that.

And not because I get off on pretending there is something in that article that there isn't.

The laughable attempt at explaining his transformation makes it even more obvious he is a doper.

 

[oldcrank]

Key Elements For Success, explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzqqQYUIR8g

 

[sniper]

Key Elements For Success, explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzqqQYUIR8g

hahaha.

"you know, we recruit the best scientists, ehh...we recruit ehh....the best wind-tunnel experts, eh...."
what about recruiting the best doctors?

 

[Benotti69]

Key Elements For Success, explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzqqQYUIR8g

Did they explain how they forgot to get Froome into a wind tunnel or test his vo2max?

 

[blackcat]

hahaha.

"you know, we recruit the best scientists, ehh...we recruit ehh....the best wind-tunnel experts, eh...."
what about recruiting the best doctors?

and triathlon coaches, rowing coaches, body movement specialists, swimming coaches.

it is some genius. I think Bojo and KP could offer some genius too

 

[Parker]

Did they explain how they forgot to get Froome into a wind tunnel or test his vo2max?

Why would you test a rider's VO2 max? What would you learn from it?

 

[The Hitch]

hahaha.

"you know, we recruit the best scientists, ehh...we recruit ehh....the best wind-tunnel experts, eh...."
what about recruiting the best doctors?

If they recruit the best wind tunnel experts why did Froome not use a wind tunnel once in his first 3 seasons at Sky?

Ummm...