Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Dear Wiggo]

Compare the physiological demands of a 4:15 IP to a 3:55 TP and you have your answer. The TP is a completely different event to what it was even 10 years ago.

From 2004-2008, Wiggins is not that good at prologue or longer TTs - rarely podiuming when the TTers are there.

eg: in 2006, Wiggins is dedicated to the road, can't do a 4.1km prologue to save himself - 21st.

Any time he gets soundly beaten in a TT, the explanation is always "oh he was concentrating on the track", or "ARE YOU TELLING ME road training and pursuit training are THE SAME??" (obviously implying they are different) - Krebs loves that one. Despite the fact acoggan's IP training slides indicate very similar training to road cyclists, and Aussie enduros do around 30,000km training on the road.

Then in 2011, Wiggins rides the TP to 3:55 and 3 weeks later comes 2nd in a 27km TT to Tony Martin, coming 3rd overall at Paris Nice.

Marginal gains?

Can't wait for all the Wiggins defenders to explain this one away.

2004-2008 Oh he couldn't TT / autobused it coz he was concentrating on the track.
2009: Oh he has (allegedly) low MAOD and high VO2max - no wonder he came 4th at the Tour.
2011: Oh he can ride a TP coz he's training on the road now. Only needs 3 track training sessions. Oh look, then he podiums Paris Nice 3 weeks later.

Should be good.

 

[acoggan]

From Wiggins' new book

TT cadence down from 103 to 96 rpm (not that I think that would make much difference):

(Wiggins also makes some comments relevant to how much/little his TT power is impacted by prior stages/races, but that's really a subject for another day/thread.)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Good to know riding a big gear at 50 rpm (SFR ala Aldo Sassi) uphill can be so successful at helping someone ride at 96rpm along the flats in the TT position, generating more power.

Coz I am sure in every discussion to date, the PhD Andrew Coggan has said strength doesn't mean anything. As have his coaching buddies. ie that you don't need to ride a big gear to get strong. And riding any other cadence than your race cadence is a waste of time.

 

[sniper]

so wiggins' competitors can finally read up on the marginal gains that made him invincible in 2012. great, so next season we'll have a level playing field again.

 

[acoggan]

Good to know riding a big gear at 50 rpm (SFR ala Aldo Sassi) uphill can be so successful at helping someone ride at 96rpm along the flats in the TT position, generating more power.

Coz I am sure in every discussion to date, the PhD Andrew Coggan has said strength doesn't mean anything. As have his coaching buddies. ie that you don't need to ride a big gear to get strong. And riding any other cadence than your race cadence is a waste of time.

1. Strength is not a limiting factor in endurance exercise performance.

2. In most cases, training one's self to pedal more slowly is unlikely to provide any major benefit (although dropping your cadence by 7 rpm might make you a tad more efficient).

3. My point in posting the page from Wiggins' book was simply to provide quantitative information re. how much his TT cadence (is claimed to have) decreased. I would consider such data (if correct) to be more reliable than, e.g., spot-checking of rpm on TV coverage.

 

[acoggan]

Good to know riding a big gear at 50 rpm (SFR ala Aldo Sassi) uphill

Just an aside: according to Sassi himself, it isn't "SFR" unless the cadence is 35-40 rpm, i.e., 50 rpm is too fast to qualify.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

1. Strength is not a limiting factor in endurance exercise performance.

2. In most cases, training one's self to pedal more slowly is unlikely to provide any major benefit (although dropping your cadence by 7 rpm might make you a tad more efficient).

3. My point in posting the page from Wiggins' book was simply to provide quantitative information re. how much his TT cadence (is claimed to have) decreased. I would consider such data (if correct) to be more reliable than, e.g., spot-checking of rpm on TV coverage.

But if you ride uphill at 50rpm, you will definitely ride faster at 96rpm on the flat in a TT. That's the point you are illustrating, whether you agree with it or not.

Also, if you match another rider's cadence, instead of using your own, world class and gold medal winning ability and experience self-selected cadence, you will be able to beat them. That's all you need to do, is match their cadence.

Something...

 

[acoggan]

But if you ride uphill at 50rpm, you will definitely ride faster at 96rpm on the flat in a TT. That's the point you are illustrating

Please don't try to put words in my mouth.

if you match another rider's cadence, instead of using your own, world class and gold medal winning ability and experience self-selected cadence, you will be able to beat them. That's all you need to do, is match their cadence.

You said it, not me.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Please don't try to put words in my mouth.



You said it, not me.

In both instances, you are quoting the cyclist in question. Your agreement is implicit by your complete lack of comment to the contrary. In fact it's tantamount to an endorsement.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

TT cadence down from 103 to 96 rpm (not that I think that would make much difference):

(Wiggins also makes some comments relevant to how much/little his TT power is impacted by prior stages/races, but that's really a subject for another day/thread.)

acoggan believes this to be true.

 

[acoggan]

acoggan believes this to be true.

You're right: as I stated in the post in question, I don't believe that lowering cadence from 103 to 96 rpm would make much difference.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I cannot find the posts right now, but there was discussion where I believed Brad's CN interview from 2010 had more "truth" vs the Sky-produced film produced this year, 2 years later.

This explains the reasoning behind my trust in the earlier interview better than I could:

http://www.podiumcafe.com/2012/12/17/3775846/my-time-by-bradley-wiggins

Focussing as it does on the Sky years, My Time is more along the lines of On Tour than In Pursuit of Glory, all the autobiographical heavy lifting having already been done, Wiggins serving up pretty immediate reactions to recent history. This is not without value - sometimes there is more truth in an immediate response than in one which has been finessed by having been thought over and over and over - but does comes with the caveat that it is subject to revision, once time and distance are put between events and some of the key protagonists.

 

[oldcrank]

Also I never said Sky are working with Ferrari. I said Wiggins is. Which he is. 100%.

December 24th is the day this posters credibility died. RIP.

 

[will10]

December 24th is the day this posters credibility died. RIP.

That post is from September 28.

 

[Joachim]

It has been a slow and ugly death. But at least it is over now. For him as much as everybody else.

RIP the hog's credibility June 2009-December 2012

 

[Cycle Chic]

Also I never said Sky are working with Ferrari. I said Wiggins is. Which he is. 100%.

'You are so cool Lance - and thanks for the doc's telephone number...won't let you down ! Sean is gona get a big bonus for this one !'

 

[Joachim]

ahhhhh.......Lance....ahhhh....what the hell did you sell me..ahh...ehhh...it made my tool grow this big!

 

[ebandit]

not cool

'You are so cool Lance - and thanks for the doc's telephone number...won't let you down ! Sean is gona get a big bonus for this one !'[/quote]

cycle chic.............if your going to recycle hoggies tosh at least have the decency to include link / evidence that statement is true

how many times has hoggie been seen to lie / make stuff up in his posts?

credibility clearly is unimportant

 

[Richeypen]

December 24th is the day this posters credibility died. RIP.

What makes you think he ever had any credibility?

 

[The Hitch]

That post is from September 28.

What makes you think he ever had any credibility?

This oldcrank guy is quite clearly a troll. The hogs credibility died when he guaranted Contador had signed with JV 2 months after he joined the forum. He also hillariously and famously guaranteed in May 2010 that Lance wouldnt ride the Tour and then revised this in July to - Lance wont finish the Tour.

It has been a slow and ugly death. But at least it is over now. For him as much as everybody else.

RIP the hog's credibility June 2009-December 2012

As if it wasnt hard enough to guess that you have posted under different usernames before.

 

[thehog]

'You are so cool Lance - and thanks for the doc's telephone number...won't let you down ! Sean is gona get a big bonus for this one !'

Blood brothers those two...

“I’ve always been a bit of a fan of Lance and have sided on the side of innocent until proven guilty with him. There isn’t an athlete or a cyclist out there that isn’t more tested than he is, certainly since his comeback, he’s probably been the most tested cyclist in the pro peloton and you take that on face value and that he’s never failed a drugs test and until he does he’s clean. That’s how I’ve always had as a stance on Lance.”.

“All the other stuff that’s come on with Landis and things like that is one for the courts and whether the truth will ever come out is down to this investigation. I think time will tell with that. As it stands today, with the time I’ve raced with him – and I’ve never raced with him in his era of winning seven Tours – but in his comeback, he’s probably been the most tested athlete and never failed a drugs test.”

I'm with Wiggo on this one. Lance never failed a drug test.

Nor has Wiggins

Join the dots on that one!

 

[ebandit]

utter hogwash

Blood brothers those two...

I'm with Wiggo on this one. Lance never failed a drug test.

Nor has Wiggins

Join the dots on that one!

and i never failed a drug test either..............join the dots..........i'm just
as good a cyclist as brad..................and lance

hoggie time to back up your claims with a tad of evidence...........is that
really too much to ask?

 

[Joachim]

As if it wasnt hard enough to guess that you have posted under different usernames before.

You know, every time the hog posts his join date appears. Been reading this forum on and off for several years, and the clinic part of it for a few months.

I feel as if I know you all already. Watched the birth of 'Dear Wiggo', saw him gaining confidence and opening his mouth wider and wider...until he was utterly pwned by Jonathan Vaughters..funny as hell. Seen the forum tough guys strutting about, nothing as funny as an Internet hard man. Never understood why some people need to show off to thin air....its almost as if its all they have.

Seen some who are just downright weird. In amongst the crap are some knowledgeable, polite and thoughtful folk, but I'm guessing the bulk of potential of this forum is seriously downgraded by the tolerance of what amounts to sheer nastiness of some.

 

[thehog]

'You are so cool Lance - and thanks for the doc's telephone number...won't let you down ! Sean is gona get a big bonus for this one !'

Interning photos. I thought Wiggins said it was a "myth" he raced with Lance?

 

[xcleigh]

Interning photos. I thought Wiggins said it was a "myth" he raced with Lance?

Yup. He never raced with Lance. He did race against him though. Can't deny that.