Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Cavalier]

clearly the audience here cannot even agree on what they read,

cannot begin to see that what they thought they read was written,

and completely misses the irony that none of the above may have actually been said

Here's a joke for you guys

Q: how many elite cyclists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: Who cares, as long as the clinicians think they are screwing someone

Dale, if you're so embittered by the place, why continue coming here to read and post drivel? Try being constructive instead.

 

[roundabout]

The most amusing thing is that it took great scientific minds of Sky almost 2 years to figure out that Wigans doesn't have the right cadence.

I still think that a certain amount of strength is needed for this. But apparently Wigans is skinnier than ever now.

 

[Cavalier]

Olympics are listing him as 77kg. So either the IOC's scales are broken, or the weight loss is a bit of a myth and he suddenly learned how to climb like Indurain.

http://www.london2012.com/athlete/wiggins-bradley-1093813/

 

[Caruut]

Olympics are listing him as 77kg. So either the IOC's scales are broken, or the weight loss is a bit of a myth and he suddenly learned how to climb like Indurain.

http://www.london2012.com/athlete/wiggins-bradley-1093813/

It also lists his best Tour de Franc result as 4th in '09. Don't think that's to be taken seriously.

 

[armchairclimber]

Bogeymen everywhere. Quick, hide behind the sofa...it's Wiggins and his terrifying winning ways.

Suck it up...he's clean and he wins. No amount of sophistry will alter that.

 

[Caruut]

Bogeymen everywhere. Quick, hide behind the sofa...it's Wiggins and his terrifying winning ways.

Suck it up...he's clean and he wins. No amount of sophistry will alter that.

Yet another fantastic post!

This proves beyond doubt that Wiggins is clean.

 

[roundabout]

You mean it's Wigans and he has crap coming out of both ends.

He also thinks his fans are idiots, but it's ok, they love him anyway.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Just fantastic he won, loved. Chin chin you lot, do carry on with your mud pies #goneagain

 

[BYOP88]

Bogeymen everywhere. Quick, hide behind the sofa...it's Wiggins and his terrifying winning ways.

Suck it up...he's clean and he wins. No amount of sophistry will alter that.

I was starting to think he doped, but this post changes it all.

 

[the big ring]

> 10% W/kg more than Tony Martin, assuming same CdA and conditions.

 

[roundabout]

> 10% W/kg more than Tony Martin, assuming same CdA and conditions.

Are you sure? Seems too high.

 

[The Hitch]

It also lists his best Tour de Franc result as 4th in '09. Don't think that's to be taken seriously.

They are either way behind or a little ahead

 

[The Hitch]

Is wiggins going to retire this year? I mean its nothing but down for him from here. Retiring (like he once said he would) and claiming that he would have won lots more.

 

[roundabout]

There are still Giro, Vuelta, Worlds ITT and TTT and the 5 monuments.

So he will retire in about 2 years.

 

[the big ring]

Are you sure? Seems too high.

Assuming T Martin is 75kg, and at 69 kg B Wiggins went 40 seconds quicker than him, then that's what it would take (assuming same CdA & conditions, of course).

Wiggins: 52.1 km/hr
Martin: 51.39 km/hr

 

[taiwan]

Is wiggins going to retire this year? I mean its nothing but down for him from here. Retiring (like he once said he would) and claiming that he would have won lots more.

I could understand a rider doing that. Juice up, win everything and then just walk away.

 

[fluffkitten]

Is wiggins going to retire this year? I mean its nothing but down for him from here. Retiring (like he once said he would) and claiming that he would have won lots more.

Just said in the BBC interview he's going through to Rio.

Strangely the interview said nothing about doping.

 

[Caruut]

I could understand a rider doing that. Juice up, win everything and then just walk away.

Philippe Gilbert to announce shock retirement backdated to December 2011?

 

[thehog]

Is wiggins going to retire this year? I mean its nothing but down for him from here. Retiring (like he once said he would) and claiming that he would have won lots more.

Sean Yates, a coach of Bradley Wiggins, reacts to the Briton's Olympic gold medal on BBC Radio 5 live: "Brad has had a fantastic year and is unbeaten in time trails. It was continuation of a theme. Today Bradley delivered that gold medal. At the end he won by quite some distance. He's a fantastic althlete, with seven medals won at Olympics. He's moving on up and we've not seen the best of him yet."

 

[131313]

If you really are interested then it is a really good article btw. Well worth a read of the full text. The article states that despite the controversy in the literature and influence of differences in protocols etc, the conclusion is that a small negative relationship between efficiency and cadence exists.

I read the review article and took a look at some of the linked articles. I saw a lot of "possible causes", "more research is needed" and "remains unclear"... Yes, cadence is related to GE, but there's still no clear relationship between cadence and power output, except that the ranges are fairly broad and that "optimal" cadence generally increased as power levels increase.

Most people using a power meter are not having their power vs efficiency characteristics measured in detail at sports institutes. Elite cyclists are. In that environment, then I can assure you that cadence is most certainly something that is paid attention to.

That's all well and good, but it's not even established that highest GE is directly related to "optimal cadence". I don't need a metabolic cart to tell me that I can put out the same power for 20 minutes at a cadence of 70 or 100, and neither do most cyclists who pay attention to this stuff.

I'm making the simple point that what Wiggins has said in his article is actually quite strongly supported by scientific evidence.

what point was that? That cadence "had something to do with rolling resistance and gears and stuff"...

You must be a mind reader if you actually know what point he was trying to make, let alone think it's supported by evidence... The point I'm trying to make is that ultimately guys tend to self-select optimal cadence for the event. This tends to be supported in looking at the TT today vs. last year at worlds, where Wiggins' cadence appears to be, well, the same...right at 100 RPM, just like most of the other guys.

One of the many things that a study strictly on GE doesn't account for is the reality of TT'ing on a course with turns and hills. Minimizing peak forces and reducing muscular load is something that riders with access to gears tend to do, even if it means riding at a less "economical" cadence. Ultimately what matters is the power produced and more so the lowest elapsed time, not what numbers pop up on a metabolic cart. GE/DE do not tell the whole story. The review of the literature makes this very clear, but you seem to be ignoring this point?

Also, Wiggins seems to be implying that the lower cadence is actually decreasing rolling resistance and improving mechanical (drive train) efficiency. I haven't seen any evidence at all to support this (within the narrow range of cadences we're talking about here).

So really, I don't get his point at all. Of course, it doesn't matter either, because he's now made up about 2 minutes on Martin from last year while pedaling at the same cadence.

 

[roundabout]

Assuming T Martin is 75kg, and at 69 kg B Wiggins went 40 seconds quicker than him, then that's what it would take (assuming same CdA & conditions, of course).

Wiggins: 52.1 km/hr
Martin: 51.39 km/hr

Silly me. You are right.

 

[MacRoadie]

Richard Moore in his column on Sky Sports website said it's rumoured Wiggins wants to try for Paris-Roubaix before he retires.

That would be, um, "entertaining"...

 

[the big ring]

http://www.cyclingpowermodels.com/OlympicTimeTrial.aspx
These guys took the results from 2011 WC

1 Tony Martin 53:42
2 Bradley Wiggins 54:59
3 Fabian Cancellara 55:04
4 Bert Grabsch 55:15
8 Lieuwe Westra 57:02

Gave them all the same CdA and estimated power in terms of W/m^2. They then kept the CdA and W/m^2 static and applied it to the London TT course to end up with the following results sheet (actual result in brackets):

1 Tony Martin 50:24 (51:22)
2 Bradley Wiggins 52:05 (50:40)
3 Fabian Cancellara 52:11 (52:54)
4 Bert Grabsch 52:21 (53:17)
8 Lieuwe Westra 54:03 (54:20)

Curious that they were roughly 1 minute out (I am doing regression in my head for the very small sample size) and that B Wiggins has made a mockery of their calculations.

NOWHERE IN ANY OF THE SKY MARGINAL GAINS HAS MENTION BE MADE OF THE TT ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM - WIND TUNNEL TESTING.

That should have been mentioned before now to help explain this increase in performance.

Perhaps we have not see the best of Brad yet, as he can still improve 10% based on wind tunnel and "bits of string stuck to him out training" testing for next year.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

It is not that he is unbeaten in TT but rather he has been able to held an incredible long form that touches my nerves. How "cadence" could explain the fact that he has been on peak since January is beyond my knowledge. But he is in a position right now (gathering Omertas around him) that he doesnt need to come up with good excuses.

Unbelievable that people still make this ridiculous claim.

Algarve

1 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:32:48
2 Tony Martin (Ger) Omega Pharma-QuickStep
3 Richie Porte (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:00:13
4 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:00:14
5 Jesse Sergent (NZl) RadioShack-Nissan
6 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Lotto Belisol 0:00:29
7 Andrew Talansky (USA) Garmin-Barracuda 0:00:39
8 Michal Kwiatkowski (Pol) Omega Pharma-QuickStep 0:00:53
9 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling 0:00:56
10 Luis Leon Sanchez (Spa) Rabobank

P-N (uphill)

1 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:19:12
2 Lieuwe Westra (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM 0:00:02
3 Jean-Christophe Peraud (Fra) Ag2R La Mondiale 0:00:33
4 Simon Spilak (Slo) Katusha Team 0:00:47
5 Jerome Coppel (Fra) Saur-Sojasun 0:00:51
6 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Movistar Team 0:00:52
7 Andreas Klöden (Ger) RadioShack-Nissan 0:00:58
8 David Moncoutie (Fra) Cofidis Le Credit En Ligne 0:00:59
9 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre - ISD
10 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Sky Procycling 0:01:06
11 Daniel Navarro Garcia (Spa) Team Saxo Bank

Romandie

1 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:28:56.60
2 Andrew Talansky (USA) Garmin-Barracuda 0:00:00.70
3 Richie Porte (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:00:16.59
4 Rui Costa (Por) Movistar Team 0:00:22.84
5 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Pro Team Astana 0:00:40.18
6 Sylvester Szmyd (Pol) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:41.60
7 Michael Rogers (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:00:42.88
8 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ-Big Mat 0:00:52.17
9 Thomas De Gendt (Bel) Vacansoleil 0:00:53.59
10 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Pro Team Astana 0:00:54.63

Dauphine

1 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 1:03:12
2 Tony Martin (Ger) Omega Pharma-Quickstep 0:00:34
3 Michael Rogers (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:01:11
4 Wilco Kelderman (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:01:26
5 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Omega Pharma-Quickstep 0:01:33
6 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling
7 Luke Durbridge (Aus) Orica GreenEdge 0:01:38
8 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:01:43
9 David Millar (GBr) Garmin - Barracuda 0:01:51
10 Luis-Leon Sanchez (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:01:54

TdF

1 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:51:24
2 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:35
3 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) RadioShack-Nissan 0:00:57
4 Tejay van Garderen (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:01:06
5 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Omega Pharma-QuickStep 0:01:24
6 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:01:43
7 Peter Velits (Svk) Omega Pharma-QuickStep 0:01:59
8 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:02:07
9 Denis Menchov (Rus) Katusha Team 0:02:08
10 Andreas Klöden (Ger) RadioShack-Nissan 0:02:09

1 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 1:04:13
2 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:01:16
3 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:01:50
4 Peter Velits (Svk) Omega Pharma-QuickStep 0:02:02
5 Richie Porte (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:02:25
6 Patrick Gretsch (Ger) Argos - Shimano 0:02:28
7 Tejay van Garderen (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:02:34
8 Vasili Kiryienka (Blr) Movistar Team 0:02:46
9 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:02:50
10 Jérémy Roy (Fra) FDJ-Big Mat 0:03:05

OG

1 Bradley Wiggins (Great Britain) 0:50:39.54
2 Tony Martin (Germany) 0:00:42.00
3 Christopher Froome (Great Britain) 0:01:08.33
4 Taylor Phinney (United States of America) 0:01:58.53
5 Marco Pinotti (Italy) 0:02:09.74
6 Michael Rogers (Australia) 0:02:11.85
7 Fabian Cancellara (Switzerland) 0:02:14.17
8 Bert Grabsch (Germany) 0:02:38.50
9 Jonathan Castroviejo Nicolas (Spain) 0:02:49.82
10 Janez Brajkovic (Slovenia) 0:03:30.18

It's quite obvious his power increased a lot.

 

[El Pistolero]

Richard Moore in his column on Sky Sports website said it's rumoured Wiggins wants to try for Paris-Roubaix before he retires.

I hope he does try that, would be interesting even if I don't like Wiggo.