Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

[edit] Oops missed the Wiggins bit. No idea to be frank, he's not exactly the model professional

Swift grabbed a couple of wins in the Tour of Poland but was badly outclassed at the Vuelta. Thomas was one of Cav's train at the Giro but essentially played possum for much of the season while he prepared for the Olympics i.e. concentrated on one discipline to make sure he was world class in it. Neither had 'world class' seasons on the road. Thomas in fact proves my point.

Next question

I read your previous post as in it is too hard to make a transition from road to track because of the 'acclimatisation', during a season.

In case of Thomas, he had some decent TT results in the Giro, aint it? Romandie? So, it is not impossible to be more than okay on both track and road in one season?

The only thing Thomas changed was him letting go of the cobbleclassics and ride Giro instead of the Tour.

Does anyone know if he got sick in Paris - Nice and Romandie? He let go of bot TT's for the last day.

How is it that Dennis Bergkamp could barely get a game at Inter and became one of the premier leagues greatest ever players? He was even playing the same game and not some variant.

Dennis was a drunk in Italy.

Bad analogy Perico.

 

[SundayRider]

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/archive/knock-it-off-bradley-wiggins__o_t__t_429.html

From years ago, but quite funny reading actually.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Dennis was a drunk in Italy.

Bad analogy Perico.

Is that a Wiggins reference, le Monster? Because Dennis does not drink I believe.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I read your previous post as in it is too hard to make a transition from road to track because of the 'acclimatisation', during a season.

In case of Thomas, he had some decent TT results in the Giro, aint it? Romandie? So, it is not impossible to be more than okay on both track and road in one season?

The only thing Thomas changed was him letting go of the cobbleclassics and ride Giro instead of the Tour.

Does anyone know if he got sick in Paris - Nice and Romandie? He let go of bot TT's for the last day.Dennis was a drunk in Italy.

Bad analogy Perico.

Thomas is a very, very good bike rider. I'll say that from the off. I guess we're talking about what qualifies as 'more than ok', since I was talking about being world class i.e. Wiggins winning multiple golds at the track, then winning multiple stage races and gold on the road. The thing to note is he didn't do that simultaneously.

Thomas did ride about half a season on the road, indeed it was used as training for his Olympic bid. But when push can to shove he was closeted away from the road and trained exclusively with the British track squad and wasn't racing for Sky.

When I was talking about the differing techniques and conditions, it was in reference to your question about the Aussie riders i.e. why you can't just ride straight off the track and start it smashing up on the road. I stand by that: in modern sport you do need to specialise to really hit the top echelons of any particular discipline, and I would argue that there will be a transition between the two as you get used to the different demands. The fact your engine is good means you will be strong on the road, you should also good handling ability, particularly if you've raced Madison or points, but I think it will take time and nous to start winning from a 150+ strong pro-peloton.

So I think you can be both an effective road and track rider at the same time, but to be truly great and be winning gold medals the focus should be one or the other.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If Wiggins was just unmotivated to train properly for all those years on the road then all of he should he becomes disciplined and trains perfectly. What changed? A need for more money? Not wanting to waste talent? A cleaner peloton? Or maybe he had had his '1000 days'?

I calculated the time from his first ever dedicated attempt for a road prologue at Dauphne (?) in 2006 with video analysts and other assistants, where he came 21st for the 4.1km prologue to the 2009 road season as roughly 1000 days.

That's what gets my vote.

 

[SundayRider]

I calculated the time from his first ever dedicated attempt for a road prologue at Dauphne (?) in 2006 with video analysts and other assistants, where he came 21st for the 4.1km prologue to the 2009 road season as roughly 1000 days.

That's what gets my vote.

Almost exactly '1000' days

 

[xcleigh]

I calculated the time from his first ever dedicated attempt for a road prologue at Dauphne (?) in 2006 with video analysts and other assistants, where he came 21st for the 4.1km prologue to the 2009 road season as roughly 1000 days.

That's what gets my vote.

Ah yes the 1000 days. The definitive, always adhered to, magical 1000 days. Isn't that rather a flimsy premise as to exactly when someone is bound to turn to the dark side. I think many belieive that riders often start drugs from early in their career, even as juniors. When does this abstract 1000 days actually start from? 16th Birthday? First beating at the hands of a 'doped' rider? The day they turn pro? Much as I liked Hamilton's book I don't think 1000 days would equally be applied across a wide variety of individuals who have different outlooks, motivations and influences. After 1000 days those who don't want to dope give up and quit the sport I presume?

I think there's many indications and reasons to suspect doping, 1000 days from time X isn't one of them.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I think you mean, "Tyler has declared Brad a clean tour winner". Let's at least keep the script consistent here.

 

[xcleigh]

I think you mean, "Tyler has declared Brad a clean tour winner". Let's at least keep the script consistent here.

Ah, no, don't think he did, no wait, yep the old clinic trick of "reading between the lines" has revealed it, yep it's conclusively probable that Brad is clean, Tyler did't say it, so it's true

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ah, no, don't think he did, no wait, yep the old clinic trick of "reading between the lines" has revealed it, yep it's conclusively probable that Brad is clean, Tyler did't say it, so it's true

Uh huh .

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/n...ong-Bradley-Wiggins-and-Tour-de-France-doping

"I believe in Brad Wiggins and I believe we finally have clean Tour de France champion and that's nice to see. I've always believe in Brad Wiggins he's always been an advocate for anti-doping. I have no reason not to believe in Brad Wiggins."
Tyler Hamilton

 

[JimmyFingers]

so you're using Hamilton's 1000 days model as an indicator of Wiggins' doping, but at the same time dismissing him saying he believes Wiggins is clean?

 

[SundayRider]

If I remember correctly TH did not say BW was a clean tour winner. During an interview on Sky news the interviewer said 'In the UK we are proud of BW' to which Tyler said 'I am too'.

 

[JimmyFingers]

That contradicts the transcript DW linked to above however

 

[SundayRider]

That contradicts the transcript DW linked to above however

no link that I could see?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

From the same interview/paragraph:

It's really hard for me to say. I'm totally out of the sport now. I don't really talk to anyone at the top of the sport anymore.

So, he really has no idea on the cleanliness of cycling, yet:

It's a lot cleaner than the dark days.

Well, thank you for that, Sky Sports.

Followed by the line every Brit wants to read:

They are still catching guys but I believe in Brad Wiggins and I believe we finally have a clean Tour de France champion and that's nice to see. I'm a big supporter of him but I still believe there's still room for improvement.

We know how mass hypnosis works bSKYbs.

 

[xcleigh]

Uh huh .

I'm confused, he's clean because Tyler says so, but he's dirty because using the 1000 day theory (put forward by Tyler) he's dirty. Theres consistency for you.

 

[JimmyFingers]

no link that I could see?

Underneath the Uh huh

 

[Brian Butterworth]

From the same interview/paragraph:


So, he really has no idea on the cleanliness of cycling, yet:


Well, thank you for that, Sky Sports.

Followed by the line every Brit wants to read:

We know how mass hypnosis works bSKYbs.

Do you dislike his credibility?

Do you think he lied about Armstrong's doping as well, or are you just prepared to cherry-pick the views of involved people to fit your particular prejudice and discount the bits that dont?

 

[taiwan]

"I have no reason not to believe in Brad Wiggins" - it's not staking your life on his being clean. He also states that he's out of the loop now. The 1000 days is a nice insightful theory from Hamilton's first hand experience which may apply to Wiggins also, but clearly not a hard and fast rule. How Hamilton can buy a clean TDF winner now though? Who knows, maybe just not willing to 'go there' atm.

 

[Benotti69]

For Hamilton to suggest the sport is clean now suits his position. He has brought out a tell all book and he has cleansed himself of his past sins and is ready to move on. I can see Gran Fondos and coaching in Hamilton's future which the idea of a clean sport helps sell for Hamilton.

Or maybe he beleives what JV has been telling him.

 

[taiwan]

For Hamilton to suggest the sport is clean now suits his position. He has brought out a tell all book and he has cleansed himself of his past sins and is ready to move on. I can see Gran Fondos and coaching in Hamilton's future which the idea of a clean sport helps sell for Hamilton.

Or maybe he beleives what JV has been telling him.

Yeah tbh he spilt the beans he had, but it's something different to start accusing prominent active riders, based on speculation. The people who are capable of outing a current rider are basically themselves, teammates or haematologists.

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah tbh he spilt the beans he had, but it's something different to start accusing prominent active riders, based on speculation. The people who are capable of outing a current rider are basically themselves, teammates or haematologists.

Yeah and Hamilton would be accused of being bitter if he said anything different.

Only thing he could say really is what he said.

 

[Brian Butterworth]

Yeah and Hamilton would be accused of being bitter if he said anything different.

Only thing he could say really is what he said.

....or nothing.

 

[Benotti69]

....or nothing.

he was asked to comment. Say nothing would, in cycling, mean only one thing.

 

[zigmeister]

For Hamilton to suggest the sport is clean now suits his position. He has brought out a tell all book and he has cleansed himself of his past sins and is ready to move on. I can see Gran Fondos and coaching in Hamilton's future which the idea of a clean sport helps sell for Hamilton.

Or maybe he beleives what JV has been telling him.

Thank you for this. I'm tired of Hamilton and his garbage. Trying to keep himself relevant and his ego pumped up.

Guy loves the attention that his comments bring, as well as income as you mention with his "coaching"...lol.