Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

Os alquimistas estão chegando, estão chegando os alquimistas...

Is that a song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGhTWE98DU

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Re:

Os alquimistas estão chegando, estão chegando os alquimistas...

Is that a song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGhTWE98DU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow

It is, but it sure as hell is nothing to do with U2 or Green Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqBk4XN2XRA

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

Os alquimistas estão chegando, estão chegando os alquimistas...

Is that a song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGhTWE98DU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" rel="nofollow

It is, but it sure as hell is nothing to do with U2 or Green Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqBk4XN2XRA" target="_blank" rel="nofollow

Desole. Je ne comprends pas.

 

[ebandit]

quelle surprise! ............your friendly ignorant brit here...........i have no wish to know foreign lingo............if i did i woulda joined the foreign legion

is this an english language forum ffs?

Mark l

 

[mrhender]

Time trial... Err I mean time travel.............

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jul/29/cycling.tourdefrance1

Wiggins 2007:

Tour ruined by old guys who think doping is normal

I'll probably do nothing today. I'll go out on my bike and play with the kids. What I won't do is watch the Tour de France on the television. What's the point? I'm not interested in it. I very rarely sit down and watch cycling on television these days. It's not like it was when I was a kid, perhaps because it's what I do for a living - but I've just had enough of the sport at the moment.

I did watch the race on Thursday, the first day I got back, to see what ITV said about me. It was weird to watch the racing and think I was part of that. But it was not as weird as what happened the day before. We crossed the line and one of the team helpers told me Cristian Moreni was positive, so I shouldn't hang around. There were a couple of journalists, so I told them to go away and I rode down the mountain to the team bus.

After I got in, we were taken off with a police escort to the gendarmerie in Pau and there they put us in police cars in pairs and took us back to the hotel. There were hordes of press - about 25 or 30 journalists, television cameras, everything. I got quite angry at that and nearly swung my suitcase at them. I had no idea what was happening and I felt I was being treated like a criminal.

Back at the hotel, they took us to our rooms with a couple of police officers. We had to sign forms to say they could search our stuff and sign more forms after they had gone through it to say there was nothing there. We were not allowed to leave the hotel that evening and I had to give a statement because I am not a French resident. Then we were free to go.

The strange thing about Moreni is that he is a nice fellow. We got on well. He used to call me 'Lord Wiggins'. I used to help him as much as I could in the race, get him bottles and so on, because he was a good bike rider, a potential stage winner. But there are other things I noticed that now make sense. A few days before his positive test, when the Michael Rasmussen business kicked off and there was all the debate about him, we would be in the team bus and would be saying: 'Why don't they chuck him off the race?' Moreni would jump to his defence, saying it was all down to the press and it had got out of control.

But the thing I have realised in the last few years is that, just because a bike rider takes drugs, that doesn't mean he's a nasty bloke. It means that a bike rider is willing to take risks. Alexander Vinokourov is a gentleman, a nice guy, and a lot of people would have been pleased if he had won the Tour de France.

In one way, I don't understand why Moreni did it. If he had not been caught, we would have been sitting on the Champs-Elysees today celebrating, saying what a good Tour it has been. He has been caught, so you think, 'What a little bastard'. I don't know his reasons, but I can conjecture: he's 34, his career is coming to an end, he wants a good contract before he bows out. He is old school - he turned pro in 1997 and has been around the block.

There is a generation gap developing in cycling between the old guys like him, for whom doping is embedded normality, and the young ones. One of the Française des Jeux riders, Michael Delage, was outspoken about drugs on the television one night during the race and Moreni really took off - "Who is he to tell me what to do?" Delage attacked that day and Moreni went after him, caught him and insulted him.

That was what the Tour turned into for me. People denying things, people arguing. The day of the protest at the start in Orthez - Wednesday, the day Moreni was revealed to be positive - I decided not to wait on the line because I don't want to be dictated to. People know where I stand. I was in 100 per cent agreement with them, but I have friends in other teams who aren't French and are clean. I didn't want to watch them ride off and be saying, in effect, that they were on drugs because they weren't with us.

I went through the start line with the peloton and, when I caught up, everyone was laughing, patting me on the back and saying well done for coming with us. I heard some awful things at that point, which made me very depressed - the worst was one rider who joked that he didn't understand the French, that if they took drugs they would go faster and why didn't they try it?

I was just mad and thought, 'Sod this'. It wasn't nice to be part of. It was like the Festina scandal in 1998, not how the Tour is supposed to be. We had conquered the Alps and the Pyrenees, I was going to have a go on the Champs-Elysees, my wife, Cath, was coming out to celebrate what was going to be a great Tour for me and it was all over in 24 hours.

I'd like to come back to the Tour, though. I don't see why guys like me should suffer because of a minority. There are riders like Geraint Thomas, who are the future, riders like the ones at Française des Jeux who are coming through, and there are guys like David Millar, who is a real ambassador for anti-doping. Things will get better. The people who are still doping are mainly the older generation and the riders who hang around with them. The sooner they are gone the better.

 

[veganrob]

That's pretty funny.

 

[SeriousSam]

David Millar, Anti Doping Ambassador always cracks me up

 

[The Hitch]

Did Wiggins ever meet a doper he didn't love? I mean he called out Landis Ricco and Luca but I don't know if he ever met them. Guys like Lance, Albert, Vino, Basso, Millar he immediately becomes infatuated with them the second they look in his direction, even if he knows they doped.

 

[AJ101]

I actually believe him in that interview. I wonder at what point did his outlook change from there?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

I actually believe him in that interview. I wonder at what point did his outlook change from there?

1000 days later.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Wiggo aiming for 55km!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3070112/Bradley-Wiggins-targets-world-record-stand-20-years-returns-track-time-leaving-Team-Sky.html

 

[the sceptic]

so Wiggo is trying to beat Rominger. Let's see if any journalist will have the balls to write the well known fact that he was prepared by Ferrari.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Re:

so Wiggo is trying to beat Rominger. Let's see if any journalist will have the balls to write the well known fact that he was prepared by Ferrari.

Rominger didn't have the great British bulldog spirit to spur him on though, it's swings and roundabouts.

 

[gillan1969]

not sure if this has been posted before...

http://www.academia.edu/531021/Comparing_cycling_world_hour_records_1967-1996_modeling_with_empirical_data

interesting study and will be interesting to see where Wiggins stacks up..and what Frrari makes of it if he comment onhis website

 

[D-Queued]

Re:

Time trial... Err I mean time travel.............

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jul/29/cycling.tourdefrance1

Wiggins 2007:

Tour ruined by old guys who think doping is normal

...

Thanks for that.

Was that a last plea for cleanliness before realizing that salmon swimming upriver, as impressive a sight as it is, have embarked on a path so futile that they end up dead? Better to go with the flow.

That, and guess who the old guy is now?

Dave.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

What would be great would be if someone who knows the date of the attempt could work back to determine the major build section of the training profile and hit him with about three or four random tests during that time.

Never going to happen - But we can dream.

 

[SeriousSam]

Re:

so Wiggo is trying to beat Rominger. Let's see if any journalist will have the balls to write the well known fact that he was prepared by Ferrari.

Rominger was simply a vastly inferior athlete. With Wiggins, well, he's got that great track pursuit background Rominger didn't have. If you can do 450 watts for 4 minutes it stands to reason that you can 450 watts for one hour a few years later.

 

[skippythepinhead]

Re: Re:

so Wiggo is trying to beat Rominger. Let's see if any journalist will have the balls to write the well known fact that he was prepared by Ferrari.

Rominger was simply a vastly inferior athlete. With Wiggins, well, he's got that great track pursuit background Rominger didn't have. If you can do 450 watts for 4 minutes it stands to reason that you can 450 watts for one hour a few years later.

And be arrogant as f*** about it.

 

[D-Queued]

Re: Re:

so Wiggo is trying to beat Rominger. Let's see if any journalist will have the balls to write the well known fact that he was prepared by Ferrari.

Rominger was simply a vastly inferior athlete. With Wiggins, well, he's got that great track pursuit background Rominger didn't have. If you can do 450 watts for 4 minutes it stands to reason that you can 450 watts for one hour a few years later.

Right. I'm still waiting, year-after-year, to push that out to an hour.

I now that is facetious. But this is my vote to note that it's just not f'ing possible. Not without a lot of sophisticated doping. Ok, except for Eddie.

Dave.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Wiggo's 4 minute power is 560W.

 

[D-Queued]

Re: Re:

so Wiggo is trying to beat Rominger. Let's see if any journalist will have the balls to write the well known fact that he was prepared by Ferrari.

Rominger was simply a vastly inferior athlete. With Wiggins, well, he's got that great track pursuit background Rominger didn't have. If you can do 450 watts for 4 minutes it stands to reason that you can 450 watts for one hour a few years later.

Right. I'm still waiting, year-after-year, to push that out to an hour.

I now that is facetious. But this is my vote to note that it's just not f'ing possible. Not without a lot of sophisticated doping. Ok, except for Eddie.

Dave.

 

[the sceptic]

Sir Bradley Wiggins will aim to reach 55.250km in his world hour record attempt on Sunday and has refused to rule out pushing on towards Chris Boardman’s all-time longest distance of 56.375km.

New rules dictate that Wiggins can only use a conventional time-trial bike, which puts him at a significant disadvantage against Boardman’s defunct record, but the 2012 Tour de France winner believes that he could still eclipse it if the conditions are favourable.

this should be fun..

 

[Eyeballs Out]

It's all down to low air pressure. If everyone takes a Dyson he could do 60 km

 

[Archibald]

Re:

Sir Bradley Wiggins will aim to reach 55.250km in his world hour record attempt on Sunday and has refused to rule out pushing on towards Chris Boardman’s all-time longest distance of 56.375km.

New rules dictate that Wiggins can only use a conventional time-trial bike, which puts him at a significant disadvantage against Boardman’s defunct record, but the 2012 Tour de France winner believes that he could still eclipse it if the conditions are favourable.

this should be fun..

what, like a tailwind?

 

[ebandit]

rather vague ? here...........how will wiggo sustain his extreme record attempt position for a whole hour...................and at the end will he fall off

the bike crumpling in a heap demonstrating the extreme effort made?....................or is he indeed 'super wiggo?'

Mark L