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It would be great because afterall wiggins grew up watching Indurain and dreaming about what it would be like to ride the Tour de France.
Then in 2009 he remembered that actually, his memory had been wrong all along. He grew up watching Indurain and dreaming what it would be like to win the Tour de France.
Stupid memory. Got confused for a decade there before the memory drug AICAR came out.
You mean his idol Indurain against whom there was no evidenceGung Ho Gun said:
It would be great because afterall wiggins grew up watching Indurain and dreaming about what it would be like to ride the Tour de France.
Then in 2009 he remembered that actually, his memory had been wrong all along. He grew up watching Indurain and dreaming what it would be like to win the Tour de France.
Stupid memory. Got confused for a decade there before the memory drug AICAR came out.
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I don't know. Maybe for a week or two. Totally my opinion, but I think most fans recognize the modern hour as a new record not really like the "old" one. Pick whatever version of "old" you like, Rominger, Merckx, Obree's record the UCI would rather not mention.
We need a few Germans to take a shot at it now that there's a "German" team and media rights have thawed.
MagnificentMerckx said:
I don't know. Maybe for a week or two. Totally my opinion, but I think most fans recognize the modern hour as a new record not really like the "old" one. Pick whatever version of "old" you like, Rominger, Merckx, Obree's record the UCI would rather not mention.
We need a few Germans to take a shot at it now that there's a "German" team and media rights have thawed.
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if north korea had forums they would look exactly like bikeretard.
the difference between NK media and british media is smaller than you'd think. It's just that the british media is a bit more subtle with their propaganda and brainwashing.
the reason why brits are so amazingly ignorant is because they get fed all these feel good stories in the media all the time, and almost never any counter arguments.
the difference between NK media and british media is smaller than you'd think. It's just that the british media is a bit more subtle with their propaganda and brainwashing.
the reason why brits are so amazingly ignorant is because they get fed all these feel good stories in the media all the time, and almost never any counter arguments.
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Umm what?
Firstly I really hope your comments about Brits in general being ignorant was a grammatical mistake on your part and not what you meant to say.
BTW you may want to actually consider the fact that most Brits on the forum don't believe in Sky. I can quite easily rattle off the names of about a dozen or so regular posters on here who are British and don't believe Sky for a second. That includes the poster you were responding to.
The comparison with North Korea doesn't even deserve a dignified response. Seriously grow up. And read some newspapers before commenting on such things.
Your suggestion that there is something British about celebrity worship is ignorant pure and simple. Every country does it.
PS while I am at it, I think your recent comments in race threads praising and lionizing the likes of Valverde and Katusha as "saviours of the sport" purely to annoy Sky fans were not just hypocritical to the extreme but pathetic.
Firstly I really hope your comments about Brits in general being ignorant was a grammatical mistake on your part and not what you meant to say.
BTW you may want to actually consider the fact that most Brits on the forum don't believe in Sky. I can quite easily rattle off the names of about a dozen or so regular posters on here who are British and don't believe Sky for a second. That includes the poster you were responding to.
The comparison with North Korea doesn't even deserve a dignified response. Seriously grow up. And read some newspapers before commenting on such things.
Your suggestion that there is something British about celebrity worship is ignorant pure and simple. Every country does it.
PS while I am at it, I think your recent comments in race threads praising and lionizing the likes of Valverde and Katusha as "saviours of the sport" purely to annoy Sky fans were not just hypocritical to the extreme but pathetic.
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There is good news though.
The party is over.
Now that he is gone, the whole wiggo myth is now in decline.
His retirement and stories like that from moore and I assume the other hacks who wrote sky books and want to squeeze another few pennies out, were the last hoorah, and it was fairly limited.
From now far less stories about wiggins. they will still mention him now and again, but a retired cyclist who won one tour 3 years ago isn't going to get that much attention in sport which ultimately survives on what have you done for me lately.
The public appetite for more wiggo stories is declining. It was a massive bubble. 2 weeks as the biggest star in the country. But next to no one actually watched his TDF win and his only claim to charisma was having sideburns and swearing a lot.
The attention he so much craved and got to enjoy so much for a few months in 2012, is never going to come back. Hell get glimpses of it if he breaks the hour record or uses the power of "marginal gains" to win another olympic gold as a grandpa.
His own joy at having won has declined. At first he said he was happy to win 1 tour, not contend again and let froome take the next one. That lasted a few months before he realized he wanted another tour afterall and got quite desperate in his attempts to steal Froomes leadership.
He also relapsed back into intense depression less than a year after winning the TDF. Very telling.
In short it was painful while it lasted, but now most of the good things that came wiggos way have passed.
I do hope one day he falls like his hero did, its always sweet to see bad guys pay for their actions. But if not, well, with a few exceptions no more *** to read about wiggins anyway and its good to know he still is mostly the same miserable person he was before he cheated his way to a TDF. Kimmage and Landis seem to be in better places mentally, which is a pleasant thought to have.
As Landis said wiggins knows what he did, even if he is a sociopath when it comes to guilt, the fear of getting caught and the knowledge that most of the cycling world never believed him for a second probably eat away at him at least a little.
In short, the party is over, but the bill may still have to be paid. Best case scenario, he is made to pay for their sins. Worst case scenario, he continues to fall into relative irrelevancy and gets into a few tabloids a few times for his signature outbursts at whatever unlucky sod gets in his way when he is in a bad mood.
Either way crime hasn't paid anywhere near as much as I feared it would in July 2012 when we had to sit through wiggos hypocritical *** and hear nonesence about how he was the most loved and most trusted person in the history of cycling bla bla bla.
As for the forums where people believe in wiggins. Well let them be. Everyone has the right to believe what they want. Plenty of places on the internet where people believe fairytales. Many of the same people were the ones who believed in lance for so long. And if they got their little corner to do it, good for them.
Freddythefrog said:
There is good news though.
The party is over.
Now that he is gone, the whole wiggo myth is now in decline.
His retirement and stories like that from moore and I assume the other hacks who wrote sky books and want to squeeze another few pennies out, were the last hoorah, and it was fairly limited.
From now far less stories about wiggins. they will still mention him now and again, but a retired cyclist who won one tour 3 years ago isn't going to get that much attention in sport which ultimately survives on what have you done for me lately.
The public appetite for more wiggo stories is declining. It was a massive bubble. 2 weeks as the biggest star in the country. But next to no one actually watched his TDF win and his only claim to charisma was having sideburns and swearing a lot.
The attention he so much craved and got to enjoy so much for a few months in 2012, is never going to come back. Hell get glimpses of it if he breaks the hour record or uses the power of "marginal gains" to win another olympic gold as a grandpa.
His own joy at having won has declined. At first he said he was happy to win 1 tour, not contend again and let froome take the next one. That lasted a few months before he realized he wanted another tour afterall and got quite desperate in his attempts to steal Froomes leadership.
He also relapsed back into intense depression less than a year after winning the TDF. Very telling.
In short it was painful while it lasted, but now most of the good things that came wiggos way have passed.
I do hope one day he falls like his hero did, its always sweet to see bad guys pay for their actions. But if not, well, with a few exceptions no more *** to read about wiggins anyway and its good to know he still is mostly the same miserable person he was before he cheated his way to a TDF. Kimmage and Landis seem to be in better places mentally, which is a pleasant thought to have.
As Landis said wiggins knows what he did, even if he is a sociopath when it comes to guilt, the fear of getting caught and the knowledge that most of the cycling world never believed him for a second probably eat away at him at least a little.
In short, the party is over, but the bill may still have to be paid. Best case scenario, he is made to pay for their sins. Worst case scenario, he continues to fall into relative irrelevancy and gets into a few tabloids a few times for his signature outbursts at whatever unlucky sod gets in his way when he is in a bad mood.
Either way crime hasn't paid anywhere near as much as I feared it would in July 2012 when we had to sit through wiggos hypocritical *** and hear nonesence about how he was the most loved and most trusted person in the history of cycling bla bla bla.
As for the forums where people believe in wiggins. Well let them be. Everyone has the right to believe what they want. Plenty of places on the internet where people believe fairytales. Many of the same people were the ones who believed in lance for so long. And if they got their little corner to do it, good for them.
Good riddance Wigans.
I'm so tired of the "I almost can't live with myself but the money's pretty good" look on that face...
Wiggles, you almost made me miss the days of the unapologetic sociopath
Now go on. Get. Go.
I'm so tired of the "I almost can't live with myself but the money's pretty good" look on that face...
Wiggles, you almost made me miss the days of the unapologetic sociopath
Now go on. Get. Go.
It's good to be an ignorant Brit, brainwashed on a daily basis by newspapers I rarely read and television I rarely watch. Hallelujah, thanks for pointing it out to me Sceptic, another stunningly worthy contribution to the dabate. For once I agree with Hitch
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Been trying to find out more about AICAR, good article in Cycling Tips etc. Anywhere else you would recommend to find out a about it? What I have read is far from convincing it is that widespread, esp as Cycling tips mentions the treatments are half a million euros a pop (not sure how often treatments are needed?).
I am very cynical about performance based evidence, but from ploughing through some of the threads it's probably best not to go into that.
Freddythefrog said:
Been trying to find out more about AICAR, good article in Cycling Tips etc. Anywhere else you would recommend to find out a about it? What I have read is far from convincing it is that widespread, esp as Cycling tips mentions the treatments are half a million euros a pop (not sure how often treatments are needed?).
I am very cynical about performance based evidence, but from ploughing through some of the threads it's probably best not to go into that.
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oh look, the hitch is upset again that someone mentioned another forum that isn't the clinic as the holy grail of all doping related knowledge with the hitch as godfather of intelligent discussion and reasoned debate.
I meant bikeretard posters and not all brits in general so that was a mistake on my part. My point still stands though. If you read british media, the framework for debate is very narrow. Certain things are not even debatable, like for instance the fact that Sky might be doping. Hence, all the bots who only read the Wiggins feelgood stories and only started watching cycling in 2012 are going to be pretty brainwashed.
The Hitch said:
oh look, the hitch is upset again that someone mentioned another forum that isn't the clinic as the holy grail of all doping related knowledge with the hitch as godfather of intelligent discussion and reasoned debate.
I meant bikeretard posters and not all brits in general so that was a mistake on my part. My point still stands though. If you read british media, the framework for debate is very narrow. Certain things are not even debatable, like for instance the fact that Sky might be doping. Hence, all the bots who only read the Wiggins feelgood stories and only started watching cycling in 2012 are going to be pretty brainwashed.
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quite a difference compared to, say, Ireland.
I'm always willing to change my mind though, if anybody could point me to some good, critical, inquiring british journalism wrt doping.
(Daily mail's recent inquiry of Knaven was welcome, but that seemed pretty agenda-driven; they're not interested in making any broader analyses of doping abuse in sports).
from what i can tell this rings true, unfortunately.the sceptic said:
quite a difference compared to, say, Ireland.
I'm always willing to change my mind though, if anybody could point me to some good, critical, inquiring british journalism wrt doping.
(Daily mail's recent inquiry of Knaven was welcome, but that seemed pretty agenda-driven; they're not interested in making any broader analyses of doping abuse in sports).
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You made a racist claim that all Brits are ignorant. Not the first time you have shown this type of behaviour. No surprise that you now try to cover over the fact with some weak personal bs.
Your motivations for posting on here and insulting everyone all the time appear to be far more sinister than a simple opposition to sky doping and lying.
the sceptic said:
You made a racist claim that all Brits are ignorant. Not the first time you have shown this type of behaviour. No surprise that you now try to cover over the fact with some weak personal bs.
Your motivations for posting on here and insulting everyone all the time appear to be far more sinister than a simple opposition to sky doping and lying.
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brits are a race now?
I dislike all nationalism and patriotism no matter where it comes from.
The Hitch said:
brits are a race now?
I dislike all nationalism and patriotism no matter where it comes from.
Cycling fans and sports media in every country are a lot like my wife's marriage.
As long as you constantly lower your expectations you'll find you're never disappointed.
As long as you constantly lower your expectations you'll find you're never disappointed.
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