Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[wendybnt]

Then you should take your knowledge to WADA, shouldn't you.

I'm sure they will be fascinated

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re:

Because I do know for sure. If you don't then that's your thing. Don't tell me what I know.

Fair enough however, some people (myself included) don't know as they don't have you're "superior" knowledge. Instead we consider the circumstances of Wiggins rise and of course question it however we cannot be sure so not trolling . Just out of curiosity what do you know that I don't know that makes you so sure, I'm honestly curious.

 

[wendybnt]

What he knows is that a winning streak like the one Wiggins had in 2012, never having had one before or after is just nonsense.

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re:

What he knows is that a winning streak like the one Wiggins had in 2012, never having had one before or after is just nonsense.

Why is it nonsense, it happens regularly in other sports in foot ball you have plenty of one season wonders who then fade away, Maybe Wiggins is cyclings equivalent?

 

[wendybnt]

Because football is mostly about skill. Cycling is about athletic ability.

Athletic ability doesn't tend to just pop up out of the Blue for 9 months then disappear.

 

[Ramon Koran]

And I suppose skill just appears out of the blue suddenly then? Wiggins 2012 was the perfect year no injuries, rivals suspended or injured a very strong team and a tailor made course in the Tour. Let's not forget that all the races he won that year were based on a strong time trial and then tempo up climbs.

 

[Qotsa]

Re: Re:

It's possible the legend of Sir Bradley Wiggins remains a fairy tale forever, but here in the clinic he's fooling nobody.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Yep..even the trolls who crow "you can't know for sure", know perfectly well wiggo cheated his way through that 2012 season.

Oi Hitch don't tell me what I know. Cheeky hypocritical beggar I don't know perfectly Sir Wigmeister doped. Probably did though. From 'fat lucker' to skinny barsteward ain't easy natures way.

 

[chuckmicD]

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Because football is mostly about skill. Cycling is about athletic ability.

Athletic ability doesn't tend to just pop up out of the Blue for 9 months then disappear.

Cycling is also about skill. Loads of it...that is...if you're doing it right.

 

[wendybnt]

If you think about how grand tours are won then skill doesn't really play a dominant part.

Chris Froome is proof of that

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Re:

And I suppose skill just appears out of the blue suddenly then? Wiggins 2012 was the perfect year no injuries, rivals suspended or injured a very strong team and a tailor made course in the Tour. Let's not forget that all the races he won that year were based on a strong time trial and then tempo up climbs.

True but he'd never won a long time trial against strong competition before 2012 I believe (maybe you can count the Dauphine 2011 one). Then boom, 2012 comes and he smashes every ITT.

 

[hrotha]

Re:

Oi Hitch don't tell me what I know. Cheeky hypocritical beggar I don't know perfectly Sir Wigmeister doped. Probably did though. From 'fat lucker' to skinny barsteward ain't easy natures way.

Wiggins was never fat. He was close to or at his optimal body fat percentage at Cofidis, according to Boyer.

And I suppose skill just appears out of the blue suddenly then? Wiggins 2012 was the perfect year no injuries, rivals suspended or injured a very strong team and a tailor made course in the Tour. Let's not forget that all the races he won that year were based on a strong time trial and then tempo up climbs.

And yet, at that 2012 Tour, the only rider who outclimbed him was his teammate Froome. Not even Vuelta-winner and two-time Giro podiumer Nibali did.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Re:

And I suppose skill just appears out of the blue suddenly then? Wiggins 2012 was the perfect year no injuries, rivals suspended or injured a very strong team and a tailor made course in the Tour. Let's not forget that all the races he won that year were based on a strong time trial and then tempo up climbs.

Good observation skills.

Too bad Wiggo never could climb, before he 'switched his focus' from track - where the real money is made in cycling, thats why guys like Cavendish cant wait to return to the track and earn a real dollar - to road cycling.

Yep, those miracles happen.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

Re:

And I suppose skill just appears out of the blue suddenly then? Wiggins 2012 was the perfect year no injuries, rivals suspended or injured a very strong team and a tailor made course in the Tour. Let's not forget that all the races he won that year were based on a strong time trial and then tempo up climbs.

While we are lets not forgetting, lets not forget those marginal gains to tie the bow on that narrative package.

 

[JimmyFingers]

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Because I do know for sure. If you don't then that's your thing. Don't tell me what I know.

Except he wasn't, he was calling you for stating that people you say you can't say with certainty Wiggins doped trolls. I think you may need to look up the meaning of the word since you throw it around so liberally and inaccurately.

 

[pastronef]

Re:

If you think about how grand tours are won then skill doesn't really play a dominant part.

Chris Froome is proof of that

rewatch the cobbles stage and Allos descent from this year´s Tour

 

[JimmyFingers]

True, on the cobbles he wasn't shabby at all. But although we didn't see it, the crash that put him out of the Vuelta was on a very innocuous looking corner.

 

[pastronef]

Re:

True, on the cobbles he wasn't shabby at all. But although we didn't see it, the crash that put him out of the Vuelta was on a very innocuous looking corner.

yes, things than happen. like Purito hitting his knee on street furniture and missing Lombardia. luck plays a big part too

 

[JimmyFingers]

Re:

Because football is mostly about skill. Cycling is about athletic ability.

Athletic ability doesn't tend to just pop up out of the Blue for 9 months then disappear.

I think saying Wiggins was only good for nine months is a disservice to him, even of you are talking about him on the road. He was winning in '11 until he broke his collarbone early in the tour, and looked ok in '13 until he got the gips in the Giro. Mainly because he couldn't handle the descents. Tour of California, Worlds ITT. I give you he wasn't much cop on the road pre-2009, but he's been quite consistent since, 2012 being the stand out.

 

[JimmyFingers]

“I just love the track and I always wanted to come back,” Wiggins told British Eurosport. “The road was sort of something I did to make some money and I ended up getting successful at it, but I love this competition.

I'll just leave this here

 

[JimmyFingers]

Yeah, it was those wet descents in the Giro that broke him as a GT rider, he got the yips after that. Even before he never really looked like he was enjoying himself, apart from that sprint wine in Romandie (?).

 

[oldcrank]

From cadence to cunning, the attributes that make Sir Brad
one of the greatest of all time are on full display here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2Y5FHMO9g

 

[pastronef]

From cadence to cunning, the attributes that make Sir Brad
one of the greatest of all time are on full display here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2Y5FHMO9g

listen to the roar from the crowd when he gets the hand-swing before the sprint

 

[the sceptic]

From cadence to cunning, the attributes that make Sir Brad
one of the greatest of all time are on full display here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2Y5FHMO9g

you forgot about the doping.

hopefully those clowns will ask for their money back for their Wiggo bedsheeds and autobiographies once he gets busted.

 

[HelmutRoole]

From cadence to cunning, the attributes that make Sir Brad
one of the greatest of all time are on full display here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2Y5FHMO9g

you forgot about the doping.

hopefully those clowns will ask for their money back for their Wiggo bedsheeds and autobiographies once he gets busted.

He ain't getting busted. The idea that these big fish eventually get caught is wrong headed. I hear this refrain from the LeMond people: he would've been caught by now.

Fact is, almost nobody gets caught. The only reason Armstrong went down was because he was a blackhearted pig. It's unimaginable now, but think how different the doping landscape would be if Armstrong had just let Landis ride the Tour a California.

Think of all the riders who would've been regarded by the general cycling public as clean. Hincapie? JV? Leipheimer... the list goes on.

Armstrong gift wrapped his ass and handed to Landis who handed to the DoJ who handed it to USADA.

It's a joke. No one gets caught unless they're stupid.

Wiggins may be a douche but he's not going to pull any of the stunts Armstrong pulled. He ain't that stupid.

 

[zlev11]

JTL should try to blackmail Wiggins for a ride on Team Wiggo or whatever it's called