Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Take a deep breath and read

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/30/bradley-wiggins-full-story-asthma-allergies-tues

He had been suffering from the affects of pollen allergies since the 2003 Giro d’Italia and they had significantly affected his performances.

• He had not previously revealed details of the allergies, particularly in his 2012 autobiography, because he was “paranoid about making excuses” for not performing well.

• That rather than being performance enhancing, he believes the injections were sometimes “a detriment to my performance”.

• That although he is not certain who apart from the team doctor, Richard Freeman, knew about the injections, he assumes all senior coaches at Team Sky, including the team principal, Sir David Brailsford, were aware of them

Sure, okay Brad. We believe you...

Tour should probably have quoted the most relevant part too:

Timeline: Bradley Wiggins and therapeutic use exemptions
2011
Mid-June Wiggins discusses his allergy issues with Dr Richard Freeman, Team Sky medic, at the Critérium du Dauphiné event, which ends on 12 June

26 June Wiggins wins British national championship in Stamfordham, Northumberland

28 June Wiggins visits specialist Simon Hargreaves in Bolton for examination and tests. Letter seen by the Guardian with specific permission of Wiggins confirms meeting took place at 2pm. TUE application for use of triamcinolone is filed the same day

29 June TUE comes into operation and expires on this date

30 June TUE is authorised from this date

2 July Tour de France starts

2012
8 May Wiggins visits Hargreaves for examination and tests. Letter seen by the Guardian with specific permission of Wiggins confirms meeting took place

15 May Letter in support of TUE application is dictated by Hargreaves

31 May TUE application is filed

26 June TUE comes into force; authorised and expiring on this date

30 June Tour de France starts

2013
1 March Wiggins visits Hargreaves; letter to support application is dictated on that date, referring to a visit “today”. Letter seen by the Guardian with specific permission of Wiggins confirms meeting took place

10 April TUE application is filed

22 April TUE is authorised from this date; it expires on 30 April

4 May Giro d’Italia starts

Inconsistencies
2011 TUE approval form is dated 30 June, but the TUE comes into force on 29 June and expires on that date. This is a single dose approval for a single day and no more. It is possible that the TUE was approved verbally by telephone due to time constraints – for example that Wiggins was flying to the Tour de France on the 30th – and the form filled out afterwards. It was also within the regulations for one person to approve the TUE. The UCI’s then head of medical, Mario Zorzoli, has been asked for clarification, as hasthe UCI.

Approval form leaked to Fancy Bears cites “endoscopy on July 2”. This is clearly impossible as the Tour started on that day and Wiggins’s specialist visit has been documented as 28 June. It can only be a clerical error. Zorzoli has been asked for clarification, as has the UCI.

2012 TUE approval form leaked to Fancy Bears cites “see TUE application 30/5/11” whereas the 2011 application was made on the 28 June and approval given 30 June. The Guardian was shown the date on Wiggins’ application form with his permission and can confirm it was dated 28 June. One possible explanation is a clerical error mixing 30/5/11 with 30/6/11. Again, Zorzoli and the UCI have been asked for clarification.

The TUE approval form leaked to Fancy Bears states “nom de la competition” (name of relevant race) as Dauphiné Libéré whereas the TUE was actually intended for the Tour de France. This is because the race listed is the next race after the application, not its approval. The application was made on 31 May; the Dauphiné began on 3 June.

 

[thehog]

:razz: :lol: :surprised:

Inconsistencies

2011 TUE approval form is dated 30 June, but the TUE comes into force on 29 June and expires on that date. This is a single dose approval for a single day and no more. It is possible that the TUE was approved verbally by telephone due to time constraints – for example that Wiggins was flying to the Tour de France on the 30th – and the form filled out afterwards. It was also within the regulations for one person to approve the TUE. The UCI’s then head of medical, Mario Zorzoli, has been asked for clarification, as hasthe UCI.

Approval form leaked to Fancy Bears cites “endoscopy on July 2”. This is clearly impossible as the Tour started on that day and Wiggins’s specialist visit has been documented as 28 June. It can only be a clerical error. Zorzoli has been asked for clarification, as has the UCI.

2012 TUE approval form leaked to Fancy Bears cites “see TUE application 30/5/11” whereas the 2011 application was made on the 28 June and approval given 30 June. The Guardian was shown the date on Wiggins’ application form with his permission and can confirm it was dated 28 June. One possible explanation is a clerical error mixing 30/5/11 with 30/6/11. Again, Zorzoli and the UCI have been asked for clarification.

The TUE approval form leaked to Fancy Bears states “nom de la competition” (name of relevant race) as Dauphiné Libéré whereas the TUE was actually intended for the Tour de France. This is because the race listed is the next race after the application, not its approval. The application was made on 31 May; the Dauphiné began on 3 June.

 

[simoni]

:razz: :lol: :surprised:

Inconsistencies

2011 TUE approval form is dated 30 June, but the TUE comes into force on 29 June and expires on that date. This is a single dose approval for a single day and no more. It is possible that the TUE was approved verbally by telephone due to time constraints – for example that Wiggins was flying to the Tour de France on the 30th – and the form filled out afterwards. It was also within the regulations for one person to approve the TUE. The UCI’s then head of medical, Mario Zorzoli, has been asked for clarification, as hasthe UCI.

Approval form leaked to Fancy Bears cites “endoscopy on July 2”. This is clearly impossible as the Tour started on that day and Wiggins’s specialist visit has been documented as 28 June. It can only be a clerical error. Zorzoli has been asked for clarification, as has the UCI.

2012 TUE approval form leaked to Fancy Bears cites “see TUE application 30/5/11” whereas the 2011 application was made on the 28 June and approval given 30 June. The Guardian was shown the date on Wiggins’ application form with his permission and can confirm it was dated 28 June. One possible explanation is a clerical error mixing 30/5/11 with 30/6/11. Again, Zorzoli and the UCI have been asked for clarification.

The TUE approval form leaked to Fancy Bears states “nom de la competition” (name of relevant race) as Dauphiné Libéré whereas the TUE was actually intended for the Tour de France. This is because the race listed is the next race after the application, not its approval. The application was made on 31 May; the Dauphiné began on 3 June.

As much as anything else, this suggests that the TUE process (at that time anyway) was bloody awful. Very difficult to have confidence in anything. It may well be that Wiggins has done everything by the book and the certificates were correctly in place.

Even so, what we really need to know is if the medical condition claimed really exists and, if so, if the drug used was an appropriate response.

1 - What is the extent of his asthma/allergy problems.
2 - What treatments have previously been tried that made recourse to the drug in question necessary.

This somewhat goes against my views wrt medical confidentiality but the cats out of the bag now so these questions may as well be answered.

In general, obviously the TUE system needs to be better - the whole things seems as if it was very wild west. If it were fit for purpose then the question of medical confidentiality wouldn't even arise.

 

[gillan1969]

oh what a tangled web we weave..........

he will unravel himself............

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins gets fluffed by a Fotheringham in the Guardian.

The comedy is delightful.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Where the fishhack walsh at?

crickets.

 

[Rollthedice]

If anybody relevant from any organisation who is in charge with this sport has any cojones left and is not affiliated with Sky, they should act. Wiggo is telling bunch of lies whenever he opens his mouth, there is a strong case to strip him of the TdF title. I still hope that if cornered Wiggo might spill the beans and we'll get to know some things about Dawg.

 

[RownhamHill]

Even so, what we really need to know is if the medical condition claimed really exists and, if so, if the drug used was an appropriate response.

1 - What is the extent of his asthma/allergy problems.
2 - What treatments have previously been tried that made recourse to the drug in question necessary.

This somewhat goes against my views wrt medical confidentiality but the cats out of the bag now so these questions may as well be answered.

In general, obviously the TUE system needs to be better - the whole things seems as if it was very wild west. If it were fit for purpose then the question of medical confidentiality wouldn't even arise.

To be fair he covers both those questions in the interview - the full transcript is online, and quite interesting. Whether you choose to believe it or not though is up to you.

 

[RownhamHill]

Re:

If anybody relevant from any organisation who is in charge with this sport has any cojones left and is not affiliated with Sky, they should act. Wiggo is telling bunch of lies whenever he opens his mouth, there is a strong case to strip him of the TdF title. I still hope that if cornered Wiggo might spill the beans and we'll get to know some things about Dawg.

Out of interest, do you mind outlining exactly what the strong case for stripping him of the result is?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re:

Where the fishhack walsh at?

crickets.

At the Golf this weekend.

 

[Benotti69]

Even so, what we really need to know is if the medical condition claimed really exists and, if so, if the drug used was an appropriate response.

1 - What is the extent of his asthma/allergy problems.
2 - What treatments have previously been tried that made recourse to the drug in question necessary.

This somewhat goes against my views wrt medical confidentiality but the cats out of the bag now so these questions may as well be answered.

In general, obviously the TUE system needs to be better - the whole things seems as if it was very wild west. If it were fit for purpose then the question of medical confidentiality wouldn't even arise.

To be fair he covers both those questions in the interview - the full transcript is online, and quite interesting. Whether you choose to believe it or not though is up to you.

If Wiggins was going to be fair, he'd do a Skinner and produce his medical history documentation to back up his 'claims', which he cant even get straight in his interview to Fluffer Fotheringham.

As an aside, Fotheringham was given the use of a Ford car for the month of July, Ford sponsor teamSky cars and vans.

No conflict there.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

If anybody relevant from any organisation who is in charge with this sport has any cojones left and is not affiliated with Sky, they should act. Wiggo is telling bunch of lies whenever he opens his mouth, there is a strong case to strip him of the TdF title. I still hope that if cornered Wiggo might spill the beans and we'll get to know some things about Dawg.

Out of interest, do you mind outlining exactly what the strong case for stripping him of the result is?

He lied about his condition needing Cortisone injections.

That is a 4 year ban and strip him of his wins from 2011.

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/780724143327154176

Wiggins claimed the injections were preventative. Well so could EPO be as a riders Hct would drop over 3 weeks racing!!!

Remember Wiggins blood values went up in the last week of 2009 TdF. JV called it machine calibration error. :lol:

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins interviewed in the Guardian by William Fortheringham, the guy who wrote his 2012 book 'My Time'.

More BS.

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Re:

If anybody relevant from any organisation who is in charge with this sport has any cojones left and is not affiliated with Sky, they should act. Wiggo is telling bunch of lies whenever he opens his mouth, there is a strong case to strip him of the TdF title. I still hope that if cornered Wiggo might spill the beans and we'll get to know some things about Dawg.

Out of interest, do you mind outlining exactly what the strong case for stripping him of the result is?

He lied about his condition needing Cortisone injections.

That is a 4 year ban and strip him of his wins from 2011.

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/780724143327154176

Wiggins claimed the injections were preventative. Well so could EPO be as a riders Hct would drop over 3 weeks racing!!!

Remember Wiggins blood values went up in the last week of 2009 TdF. JV called it machine calibration error. :lol:

Mick Rogers 2012 Dauphine winner :razz:

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins tells Fotheringham he didn't know who Geert Leinders was when he met him in 2011.

Leinders worked for Rabobank from 1996 - 2009. Wiggins rode for Rabo in 2001!

More lies.

http://www.sportuitslagen.org/wielrennen-schaal-sels-uitslagen-2001-epr26441.html

Wiggins the doper.

Wiggins once said " I don't want to be remembered as just the cyclist with the sideburns'. You won't mate, you won't by the time this is finished!

 

[simoni]

Re:

Wiggins tells Fotheringham he didn't know who Geert Leinders was when he met him in 2011.

Leinders worked for Rabobank from 1996 - 2009. Wiggins rode for Rabo in 2001!

More lies.

http://www.sportuitslagen.org/wielrennen-schaal-sels-uitslagen-2001-epr26441.html

Wiggins the doper.

Wiggins once said " I don't want to be remembered as just the cyclist with the sideburns'. You won't mate, you won't by the time this is finished!

It's a small point of detail but I find no record of wiggins ever riding for rabobank. 2001 he was with Linda McCartney.

 

[RownhamHill]

Re: Re:

If anybody relevant from any organisation who is in charge with this sport has any cojones left and is not affiliated with Sky, they should act. Wiggo is telling bunch of lies whenever he opens his mouth, there is a strong case to strip him of the TdF title. I still hope that if cornered Wiggo might spill the beans and we'll get to know some things about Dawg.

Out of interest, do you mind outlining exactly what the strong case for stripping him of the result is?

He lied about his condition needing Cortisone injections.

That is a 4 year ban and strip him of his wins from 2011.

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/780724143327154176

Wiggins claimed the injections were preventative. Well so could EPO be as a riders Hct would drop over 3 weeks racing!!!

Remember Wiggins blood values went up in the last week of 2009 TdF. JV called it machine calibration error. :lol:

Am I right in thinking that the evidence he lied is that you don't believe him?

 

[MatParker117]

Re:

Wiggins tells Fotheringham he didn't know who Geert Leinders was when he met him in 2011.

Leinders worked for Rabobank from 1996 - 2009. Wiggins rode for Rabo in 2001!

More lies.

http://www.sportuitslagen.org/wielrennen-schaal-sels-uitslagen-2001-epr26441.html

Wiggins the doper.

Wiggins once said " I don't want to be remembered as just the cyclist with the sideburns'. You won't mate, you won't by the time this is finished!

No he rode for Linda McCarthy, Sigma Sport and the GB national team.

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.volkskrant.nl/sport/sir-bradley-en-de-vijf-leugens~a4387145/

'Sir Bradley and the five lies'

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Wiggins tells Fotheringham he didn't know who Geert Leinders was when he met him in 2011.

Leinders worked for Rabobank from 1996 - 2009. Wiggins rode for Rabo in 2001!

More lies.

http://www.sportuitslagen.org/wielrennen-schaal-sels-uitslagen-2001-epr26441.html

Wiggins the doper.

Wiggins once said " I don't want to be remembered as just the cyclist with the sideburns'. You won't mate, you won't by the time this is finished!

It's a small point of detail but I find no record of wiggins ever riding for rabobank. 2001 he was with Linda McCartney.

See the link

'32 Bradley Wiggins (Rabobank) GBR zt'

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Wiggins tells Fotheringham he didn't know who Geert Leinders was when he met him in 2011.

Leinders worked for Rabobank from 1996 - 2009. Wiggins rode for Rabo in 2001!

More lies.

http://www.sportuitslagen.org/wielrennen-schaal-sels-uitslagen-2001-epr26441.html

Wiggins the doper.

Wiggins once said " I don't want to be remembered as just the cyclist with the sideburns'. You won't mate, you won't by the time this is finished!

No he rode for Linda McCarthy, Sigma Sport and the GB national team.

See link

32 Bradley Wiggins (Rabobank) GBR zt

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

See link
32 Bradley Wiggins (Rabobank) GBR zt

Indeed, as it turns out, Wiggins is listed on the 2001 Rabobank Team. There are 27 riders in that list active for Rabo, in some capacity, during some part of the year 2001.

By my own count, eight of those twenty-seven cyclists on that 2001 list, have since been implicated in doping.

And of course, my namesake, Luigi, made his appearance for Rabobank later on.

So Wiggins lied about not knowing Leinders.

 

[_nm___]

Re:

http://www.volkskrant.nl/sport/sir-bradley-en-de-vijf-leugens~a4387145/

'Sir Bradley and the five lies'

would you be able to translate what they are. i don't speak dutch. thanks.

 

[sniper]

Fwiw, they're also both from Gent.

 

[sniper]

In any case, what is interesting, is that Wiggins went from 'not knowing' Leinders in late 2010 to considering him the 'type of doctor that cycling needs' in 2012.