Wiggins, a man in love!

[the big ring]

Wiggins showed his SRM to everyone at the hq for the TT, that's were the 476W comes from. Also, Vaughters claimed 482W for an 18:00 10 mile in the build up to the tour.

Yep quoted that claim upthread.

And like I said - no real problem with Brad, a 4km specialist, managing to do 480W for around 19 minutes. But don't go and tell the world it was 20-25 minutes. That's patently false.

 

[jilbiker]

If you haven't read Tyler's book. get it. It really gives the lowdown on doping, its not just about poping a peel or injecting yourself. You need a well trained doctor who can monitor and analyze your body numbers to meet requirements. the more I read the more convinced I am that Wiggins performance at the 2012 TDF and the whole Sky team was the work of juice. juice in training and juice on the race. For instance the loss in weight and yet the gain in the wattage per weight. For instance the increase and focus on cadence. I was like where have I recently heard all these things? From Wiggins himself! Wow! Woww~~~Oh..and the "swimming coach", kind of Dr Ferrari who was LA's real coach through all those years NOT Carmichael as we were made to believe.

We have moved no where in cycling. Even Baseball with its huge juice past is in better shape than cycling. He played the same US Postal template! Wow!

 

[RownhamHill]

Yep quoted that claim upthread.

And like I said - no real problem with Brad, a 4km specialist, managing to do 480W for around 19 minutes. But don't go and tell the world it was 20-25 minutes. That's patently false.

So. What you're saying that if someone does a time trial in 19 minutes and 14 seconds, and then a month or so later their boss, speaking off the cuff with someone who is obviously friendly enough with them to tease them about their side burns, translates that into twenty to twentyfive minutes, then the boss is obviously being patently false and and just engaging in well through through PR spin. Do you really think that's the best explanation for what's happening here?

And is twenty minutes as an estimate for 19 minutes and 14 seconds really patently false?

You might want to look out of your window or something, you might see something you want to meet. It's called the real world.

 

[the big ring]

So. What you're saying that if someone does a time trial in 19 minutes and 14 seconds, and then a month or so later their boss, speaking off the cuff with someone who is obviously friendly enough with them to tease them about their side burns, translates that into twenty to twentyfive minutes, then the boss is obviously being patently false and and just engaging in well through through PR spin. Do you really think that's the best explanation for what's happening here?

And is twenty minutes as an estimate for 19 minutes and 14 seconds really patently false?

You might want to look out of your window or something, you might see something you want to meet. It's called the real world.

Try again, he said 20-25 minutes.

Lance passed 500-600 tests, right?

Now the UCI come out and say they only have 215 tests for Lance on the books.

Where do you draw the line?

I'm sorry you believe in unicorns. Your real world is a lot less real than you think.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Vince wants a Wiggo plan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/11/why-vince-wants-wiggo-plan

Setting out his new policy on developing Britain's industries, Vince Cable began with a reference to the Olympic summer. And rightly so, because the story of how British sport staged a startling turnaround in just 16 years is not only fascinating in its own right, but instructive in thinking about how we rebuild a shattered economy.

now don't read on.

 

[hrotha]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/11/why-vince-wants-wiggo-plan



now don't read on.

Legalizing doping and introducing an EPO tax?

 

[sniper]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/11/why-vince-wants-wiggo-plan



now don't read on.

some brits (no hardcore hooligans, just random people) were randomly interviewed on the streets last night and were asked what the olympics had meant to their lives. Some older people had difficulties to hold back tears and told without hesitation that this had been the best summer of their lives.
imagine a story about prime brittish athletes and doping would break tomorrow. it would literally break these people.

the increasing correlation between success in sports and a country's general well-being is a worrying development to say the least.

 

[LauraLyn]

some brits (no hardcore hooligans, just random people) were randomly interviewed on the streets last night and were asked what the olympics had meant to their lives. Some older people had difficulties to hold back tears and told without hesitation that this had been the best summer of their lives.
imagine a story about prime brittish athletes and doping would break tomorrow. it would literally break these people.

the increasing correlation between success in sports and a country's general well-being is a worrying development to say the least.

Telling article:

"the story of how British sport staged a startling turnaround in just 16 years is not only fascinating in its own right, but instructive in thinking "

"The story can be briskly told: after Britain scored a solitary gold at Atlanta in 1996, lottery money was pumped into elite sports, with special regard for how many medals could be won per pound spent."

"Around the same time, the Manchester velodrome and other world-class facilities sprang up and top-drawer coaches, such as cycling's Dave Brailsford, were brought on board. Physios and psychologists were laid on for the athletes; engineers and technologists streamlined the kit. The results we saw at the London Olympics: the best British performance in any Games for over a century."

The Brits needed the Olympics sold to them. And the press did that. The above quotes look to me like, not only "win at all costs," but also "buy at all costs."

If after reading that article someone ventured "but half the British athletes doped," the only response could be "so what, look what they did for the Queen."

The Clinic is a small world of romantics clinging to a bygone ideal of purity and integrity in sports. Does this ideal have any place in today's real world?

 

[Benotti69]

The Clinic is a small world of romantics clinging to a bygone ideal of purity and integrity in sports. Does this ideal have any place in today's real world?

And this upsets your hero so much that he sends his bots in here to try and obfuscate the threads in this oh so small world.

It happens to be a small world but with a big voice and your continuing obfuscation is doing nothing to stop that.

 

[LauraLyn]

And this upsets your hero so much that he sends his bots in here to try and obfuscate the threads in this oh so small world. . . .

What has Popeye have to do with any of this? Leave the guy alone, please.

Benotti69, my dear dear boy, I tried so hard to be nice to you yesterday and help you with your signature. Did you lose your 5th grade grammar book? or did you just never make it that far in life? (What grade did Lance make it to?)

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

the increasing correlation between success in sports and a country's general well-being is a worrying development to say the least.

Actually, if as a country you can spend a relatively modest amount on winning a sack-load of Olympic medals, then it's a big "bang for your bucks" in terms of making the country happier and forgetting the dire state the UK is in economically and socially. Even the cost of hosting the OGs and having things go well appears to be a good investment.

How long this effect would last is a concern. Not very long would be my guess. If you get sacked or have to wait a long time for an operation then any number of gold medals won by people you don't know, or the fact that the Sydney Morning Herald thinks 2012 was the best ever OGs, will count for nothing.

 

[jilbiker]

Movie for Wiggins????

Give me a break...How can Hollywood plan a movie on Wiggins and indirectly on the Sky train. Its a disgrace!! Clearly this success is all program driven. Lance did not get a movie! So why would first this one-time TDF winner who was clearly gifted the title by his domestique and is on a nice chemical program get a screen shot.

But hey Lance made zillions from his fake chemical induced 7 TDF titles. From book deals on his "rise from the ashes" to deals on how a story about how coach (who was certainly not on his speed dial, not sure he remembers his name) "fine tuned" his skills. So Wiggins go make your own zillions

 

[D-Queued]

This thread deserves a bump.

One of the weakest responses, thus far, comes from Wiggins.

British cycling and Boardman saved me from doping like Armstrong, says Wiggins

...‘My main concern is that I’m the winner of the Tour de France having to pick up the pieces for other people.

...

considering the summer we’ve had as a British cycling nation. Now we’re the ones picking up those pieces. We’re the ones that have changed the sport.

Ah, Wiggins is our new great white hope. May the sun never set on the British Empire.

The infamous Clinic 12 have done more to change the sport my friend. Statements like that sound a lot more like the emergence of the last great white hope.

Dave.

 

[Tinman]

The infamous Clinic 12 have done more to change the sport

Dave could you post their nicks on the "I told you so" thread. Many of us newbs would like to know the history of the early Clinic contributors in this fight. thanks.

 

[Ferminal]

What I don't get about Wiggins is that in 2007 he was more of an anti-doping activist than anyone here. He spoke very frankly about the dire state of professional cycling.

But in 2012, he claims that he knew nothing of doping at USPS, completely shocked by the revelations and didn't see it coming.

 

[rata de sentina]

Dave could you post their nicks on the "I told you so" thread. Many of us newbs would like to know the history of the early Clinic contributors in this fight. thanks.

I always thought the '12' was just a number pulled out of the ars of some intern bot ranting about the whole world loving LA except for a dozen "jealous" malcontents on CN. Like how someone bags you and you take the wind out of their sails by taking their 'insult' and turning it into a badge of honour.

 

[armchairclimber]

There are a few faces in the clinic with "self-important" tattooed on the inside of their eyelids.

 

[rata de sentina]

There are a few faces in the clinic with "self-important" tattooed on the inside of their eyelids.

That just makes no sense whatsoever. Surely you can do better than that. Self important people don't need affirmation that they are self important they need to tell other people how good they are. More likely they would have "I am great" tattooed on the outside of their eyelids.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I always thought the '12' was just a number pulled out of the ars of some intern bot ranting about the whole world loving LA except for a dozen "jealous" malcontents on CN. Like how someone bags you and you take the wind out of their sails by taking their 'insult' and turning it into a badge of honour.

I think it was by Jonathan Vaughters and not some intern.

 

[sittingbison]

...The infamous Clinic 12 have done more to change the sport my friend....

Dave could you post their nicks on the "I told you so" thread. Many of us newbs would like to know the history of the early Clinic contributors in this fight. thanks.

Here you go:
SimonPeter
Andrew
James Zebedee
John Boanerges
Philip
Bartholomew
Thomas
Matthew the tax collector
James Alphaeus
Thaddeu
Simon the Zealot
Judas Iscariot

 

[Dear Wiggo]

There are a few faces in the clinic with "self-important" tattooed on the inside of their eyelids.

Don't close your eyes and you won't have to read it.

 

[Benotti69]

There are a few faces in the clinic with "self-important" tattooed on the inside of their eyelids.

aaahh did your little hero get into trouble with the big bad USADA. Aaah dinkums maybe Mummy will kiss it better

 

[Avoriaz]

Here you go:
SimonPeter
Andrew
James Zebedee
John Boanerges
Philip
Bartholomew
Thomas
Matthew the tax collector
James Alphaeus
Thaddeu
Simon the Zealot
Judas Iscariot

Why does everyone always forget Rufus, the thirteenth apostle?

 

[JimmyFingers]

What I don't get about Wiggins is that in 2007 he was more of an anti-doping activist than anyone here. He spoke very frankly about the dire state of professional cycling.

But in 2012, he claims that he knew nothing of doping at USPS, completely shocked by the revelations and didn't see it coming.

I was very disappointed by his response. He had an opportunity to re-inforce what he was saying in 2007, everything he railed against then is being exposed and the perpetrators finally getting a long overdue comeuppance, and yet he says it is 'relevant'

I also think the entire peloton knew the details of what was going to come out in the USADA report long before it did. I'm sure it had been gossiped about and people would have known largely the people who were blowing the whistle, the extent of the rot and who was likely to be named i.e. Rogers. I'm hoping the British press will ask tough questions of his involvement in the Sky TdF team and before. A former Ferrari client saying he is in the best form of his career this year is damning, and he was one of Wiggins' top lieutenants. I wonder if his implication might be keeping Wiggins more circumspect on the matter?

 

[thehog]

I'm glad he said what he said. It's pushed a lot of those on the fence to the correct side.

But his statements are just plain weird. And how do you from:

"I love him," Wiggins said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

To where he is today having some knowledge of him using drugs and saying they never raced together.

Too many holes in this story.