Well I don't get that either but I am not sure that anyone else does either. I can't really recall someone seriously using that reasoning. It seems like that argument is a strawman raised by pro-Wiggins posters. People who think Wiggins is a doper seem to do so on the basis of performance and some shifty stuff at Sky. Personally, I don't dislike Wiggins and I dunno if he is doping but I do think he is an effing idjit.Morbius said:What I don't get is the idea that being inconsistent = being a doper.
that's actually among the more sensible things I've heard wiggins say in recent times. not really consistent with his previous praising of UCI testing, but hey, it's a start.Parker said:This is from an interview yesterday:
You have to give some credibility to what Wiggins says otherwise saying he loves Lance isn't credible and so can be discounted as not meaning anything. So we have to give some credibility to some of what Wiggins says but not all. It's just deciding what we do find credible and what we don't. We can't write off everything he says as lacking credibility. Maybe everything said after that quote lacks credibility. I hope that makes sense(?)WinterRider said:Thanks Hog! I don't know why people always give you a hard time.
It's funny, now that I've seen it I remember watching it at the time, I guess there's just too much material to absorb these days.
Rewatching that, I don't know how you could find ANYTHING wiggo says even remotely credible. I know he's just won the tour, but could he really not remember 2009? It stretches credulity past the breaking point.
it makes sensexcleigh said:You have to give some credibility to what Wiggins says otherwise saying he loves Lance isn't credible and so can be discounted as not meaning anything. So we have to give some credibility to some of what Wiggins says but not all. It's just deciding what we do find credible and what we don't. We can't write off everything he says as lacking credibility. Maybe everything said after that quote lacks credibility. I hope that makes sense(?)
His statement may not be meaningful to you, but then again, you are (like me) an insignificant internet forum user, posting in a niche sub-forum. Your views, like mine, are read by an audience which seldom reaches 3 figures at any given time.BroDeal said:His statements are absolutely worthless. They are no different than his contemptible statements about Ricco. Waiting until Armstrong confesses and the media is calling him the Bernie Madoff on wheels shows how cowardly Wiggins is. He could not even bring himself to make a strong statement after Armstrong was banned.
Even worse, now he is claiming that he knew Armstrong was doping because the change in his performance between stages in the Tour. The funny thing is that the same criteria could be used to show that Wiggins is doping, with the difference being that Wiggins change in performance is way more glaring than Armstrong's.
Ok understand, that seems fair enough. I must admit if you wrote down on the record all my comments on Lance/Doping over the years it might throw up some interesting inconsistencies though However Wiggins being in the public eye should perhaps be more mindful of what he is saying and how it's likely to be perceived. I guess he can't just keep quiet as that would be just as bad. A bit more 'media' training required I do like his use of sweary language though, don't stop that bit Sir Bradworkingclasshero said:it makes sense
except for the point is not that the "love" quote is credible.
The point is his constant contradictions show we are dealing with a liar.
Nothing he says has any credibility.
Wiggins already knew in 2009 that LA was dirty.armchairclimber said:The inconsistency in his attitude to LA over time is not really that exceptional. He was a fan. He probably wants to believe that Indurain was clean too. He certainly ain't a Lance fan anymore.
Or was that retrospectively applied knowledge?hrotha said:
Cadel is uncommunicative about nearly everything so this will be the same. Want to know why he was so bad at the 2012 Tour, there's a reason but it takes months for stuff to trickle out. This is a guy who didn't even tell his teammates he had busted his arm. The most we ever got out of him on doping was generalisations and some thinly veiled references to valverdearmchairclimber said:Maybe some other high profile riders will follow his example and make stronger statements now. Cadel? Schlecks? Contador? Purito? Sagan? Cancellara? Gilbert? Martin? Froome?
almost positively.hrotha said:
one is hard-pressed to assume Wiggins wasn't informed."I spent the whole Tour this year with Slipstream, the Garmin team. That wasn’t by accident. I chose that team deliberately, because of what they were saying about the sport and the message they were putting out.
"But also the fact that so many of that team had raced with Armstrong during his best years and knew exactly what he got up to. And the stuff that I learnt on that Tour about him and what he was really like was absolutely shocking, really shocking.
"What’s going to happen now is he comes back and everybody’s going to wave their hands in the air and give him a big clap. And all the guys who really know what he’s about are going to feel so utterly and totally depressed.
"And I’m talking about Jonathan Vaughters, who raced with Armstrong that first winning Tour and who doped. And if you look at that Tour, Armstrong’s first win, there were seven Americans on that team. Frankie Andreu has said he used EPO. Tyler Hamilton has been done for [blood doping]. George Hincapie was exposed as a doper by Emma O’Reilly, the team soigneur.
"Christian Vand Velde and Jonathan Vaughters...both are members of Slipstream and would promote the notion that this was not a clean team by any means. When you look at that and what Armstrong’s done and how he’s seemingly got away with it, it just makes his come back very hard to stomach.
At the very least he knew Armstrong had been a heavy doper in cahoots with the UCI, and a bully. He still chose to be supportive of him, casting doubts on Landis's story, which he knew to be true.armchairclimber said:Or was that retrospectively applied knowledge?
Frankly, I assumed that Lance was doping back then but then I presumed (incorrectly) that pretty much everyone was at it to some degree or other. I could still enjoy watching the racing. I think differently now, mostly because I think the sport is cleanER.
It was posted earlier in this thread that JV has said this. If true it makes a mockery of Wiggins claiming to be somehow shocked at current "revelations". Also makes a mockery of his professed mancrush on LA if he always knew or strongly suspected he'd been dudded out of a podium at the time. I mean that is a pretty big thing after all.armchairclimber said:Or was that retrospectively applied knowledge?
1) Wiggins hadn't been there, but his DS and several of his teammates had, and he knew the story.armchairclimber said:So JV was dumbfounded by Wiggins' admiration for Lance. Fair enough, JV had been there. Wiggins, at the time, was still star/awestruck. He might have suspected that he'd been diddled out of a podium...having said that, he may have suspected that he was the highest placed clean rider too (a far bigger deal) but just had to take it on the chin until there was proof positive. Nothing particualarly weird given the prevailing culture in cycling at the time.
Well I was thinking that too but maybe not. I did say "mancrush" so him going all vitriolic does fit the "spurned" bill quite nicely. You know what they say about when "love turns to hate".Tyler'sTwin said:Yeah, right. A clean rider worshiping a known doper who cheated him out of his 1st TdF podium. Nothing weird about that.
Being inconsistent ≠ being a doper.Morbius said:I understand people not liking Wiggins because he is inconsistent - or for some that being yet another reason to dislike him. Certainly his inconsistency should be called out.
What I don't get is the idea that being inconsistent = being a doper. Surely if Wiggins had (has?) been doping all these years, his story and his position would be far better planned and rehearsed. As someone said earlier, true consistency is far more suspicious.
Well LA did seem to have a weird svengali effect on some people. Just look at how he turned Basso into his toyboy in 2005.Gregga said:I really wonder what happended between those 2 guys in July '09
That was just before Ventoux.
Yeah, the quotes about Klöden or "the gunslinger" are quite funny too.rata de sentina said:Well LA did seem to have a weird svengali effect on some people. Just look at how he turned Basso into his toyboy in 2005.
Love the ferrari junior emails.