I have been reading this forum constantly for two years, I never post because it is more entertaining to stand on the sidelines, some of you are great but this Joachim is without 100% TROLLING and is disrupting the clinic please make him go away.
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Which rider did condemn him? Sod all of them. Wiggins barely raced against Armstrong until 2009. So why is he special, other than you get a reaction from some people on here? At least he's saying it now. All of Spain, bar Freire, seems to think he's done nothing wrong.hrotha said:I would have liked him to condemn Armstrong since the beginning. His current statements can't erase the past, and I can't just pretend he's consistent when he isn't.
armchairclimber said:Whatever folks on here think of Wiggins...and positions seem to be fairly entrenched (natch)...I don't recall any other current high (or medium) profile rider coming out with such strong statements about Armstrong.
senatorrick said:I have been reading this forum constantly for two years, I never post because it is more entertaining to stand on the sidelines, some of you are great but this Joachim is without 100% TROLLING and is disrupting the clinic please make him go away.
coinneach said:The beginning?
Well, that would have been the end of his career then
hrotha said:And for the nth time, you guys fail to see the difference between keeping your mouth shut and ACTUALLY PRAISING ARMSTRONG.
Also, if you ever see me defending the likes of Valverde or Samu, shoot me.
Joachim said:Most here wouldn't, because they are able to sit here, in a priviledged position, smearing and sneering at whoever they want.
hrotha said:And for the nth time, you guys fail to see the difference between keeping your mouth shut and ACTUALLY PRAISING ARMSTRONG.
Also, if you ever see me defending the likes of Valverde or Samu, shoot me.
Parker said:Which rider did condemn him? Sod all of them. Wiggins barely raced against Armstrong until 2009. So why is he special, other than you get a reaction from some people on here? At least he's saying it now. All of Spain, bar Freire, seems to think he's done nothing wrong.
I also suspect that a few of the posters on here criticising now were big Armstrong fans back in 2004.
hrotha said:And for the nth time, you guys fail to see the difference between keeping your mouth shut and ACTUALLY PRAISING ARMSTRONG.
Also, if you ever see me defending the likes of Valverde or Samu, shoot me.
workingclasshero said:you mean stronger than stronger statement about Armstrong than
"I thought, 'You lying bast*rd'" ??
well, what about:
"I love him. I think he's great. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it."
sounds stronger to me.
The former is what he now claims he was thinking in 2009.
The latter is what he actually came out and said in 2010.
Did he lie in 2010 or now?
Either way, he's another patron not afraid of lying to fans and the media.
File with Lance.
Go away please, mr. brad.
“I’ve always been a bit of a fan of Lance and have sided on the side of innocent until proven guilty with him. There isn’t an athlete or a cyclist out there that isn’t more tested than he is, certainly since his comeback, he’s probably been the most tested cyclist in the pro peloton and you take that on face value and that he’s never failed a drugs test and until he does he’s clean. That’s how I’ve always had as a stance on Lance.”
“All the other stuff that’s come on with Landis and things like that is one for the courts and whether the truth will ever come out is down to this investigation. I think time will tell with that. As it stands today, with the time I’ve raced with him – and I’ve never raced with him in his era of winning seven Tours – but in his comeback, he’s probably been the most tested athlete and never failed a drugs test.”
“I think you have to question Landis’ credibility because he lied under oath before and the stories that you hear about him drinking and things like that and you know, [making] telephone calls to people I know, threatening them with things, you just think that the guy appears to not all be there. So when you see these kinds of claims in the press you have to question his credibility because it’s almost like it’s coming from a mad man, but at the same time maybe that’s all borne out of frustration and things.
“You just never know but you just look at the way his life has gone over the last five years and you think there’s one person who it would have been so easy to have just admitted it when it happened in 2006, come clean if he did do it and he would have been back racing in a professional team making pretty good money. It’s quite sad how his life has gone away, just dwindled away and now there’s all these claims and counter claims and it’s quite a sad story for him.”
Explain? Why do you say this?Joachim said:He's British. Most of them have potty mouths
BroDeal said:Even worse, now he is claiming that he knew Armstrong was doping because the change in his performance between stages in the Tour.
senatorrick said:I have been reading this forum constantly for two years, I never post because it is more entertaining to stand on the sidelines, some of you are great but this Joachim is without 100% TROLLING and is disrupting the clinic please make him go away.
Yes, I've listened to Sir Bradley Wiggings many times.coinneach said:Have you ever listened to his comments, and thought about the circumstances of someone putting a microphone under his nose?
Yes. So that means he doesn't stand for what he said about doping in 2007?coinneach said:Have you ever changed you mind about something?
Yes, Lance Armstrong.coinneach said:Or had heros who disappoint you?
I would've liked him to stand up for what he said in 2007 over and over until today.coinneach said:Talking or riding: Wiggins can't win with some folk: their narrative is already made up, but think about it, what would have liked him to say?
Of course Armstrong is engaging, seductive and charming in person (at first). Everybody agrees on that. But sorry, praising Armstrong when he already knew he was the biggest fraud in the history of the sport is completely incompatible with having a strong position against doping.Parker said:Maybe he doesn't see him in black and white as you and others do. Maybe he could see some good points. Maybe Armstrong in person is quite an engaging and seductive character (if you don't cross him) - there's far more to him than just drugs. People are complex - it's not simple good or evil like Star Wars.
It's easy to lecture someone who's life you'll never get close to having to live.
Bat Man said:He is openly stating this is his hindsight view. I think he is wrong to put so much stock on that - Armstrong tried to follow AC who was in the process of breaking the power record, blowing badly, whereas Wiggins stayed to his now trade mark steady high pace and came back and passed him. Armstrong made a tactical mistake. But you shouldn't misrepresent Wiggins just to maintain him as a sort of punch bag character for you to play with on internet. The truth does matter.
hrotha said:Also, if you ever see me defending the likes of Valverde or Samu, shoot me.
hrotha said:Valverde is most likely one of the most naturally talented riders out there, so depending on how "clean" the sport has "become", it's perfectly possible that Valverde would still be winning either clean or cleaner than many of his rivals.
tam the habbler said:one of those nazis geobels goring himmler said THE BIGGER THE LIE if u truly knew u wernt doping why all this over the top sfuff about not never having tell your kid u were the first BRIT to win the tour ever and was miserable doing it WHY" cant carry his own water" his old man the DOC will turning in his grave it wiill come out
Bat Man said:The truth does matter.
That's not defending Valverde's statements about Lance, which is what we were talking about. That was just me trying to discuss things objectively. Try again.Parker said:From here: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=403018&post403018
I don't have any annual leave until March and I don't have a gun, so if you could just shoot yourself, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Bat Man said:Armstrong's problem on the Verbier is that he tried to follow Contador's attack and blew up, whereas Wiggins kept his own pace. Though post confession it's easy to put it all down to doping.
There does seem an injustice about singling out Armstrong for having confessed, when the other two guys who pushed him off the podium that year were almost certainly doping.
Cobber said:OK, just entered all of LA's blood values from the past year into a spreadsheet and graphed it. Shaded in blue is the normal range (85-95) for OFF-score. Anyone want to bet that LA got transfused immediately before the TdF? Based on how quickly it dropped after 6/16/09, if he was tested a week earlier he may have been above the 133 cutoff. Seems ironic to me that these values were posted by LA as evidence that he doesn't dope...
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BroDeal said:It does not mention much to Wiggins, mountainrman or BPC or whatever you are calling yourself this week. Wiggins version of the truth seems to change every few weeks. He specializes in brown nosing dopers before they are convicted and kicking those who are down.
senatorrick said:I have been reading this forum constantly for two years, I never post because it is more entertaining to stand on the sidelines, some of you are great but this Joachim is without 100% TROLLING and is disrupting the clinic please make him go away.
Parker said:From here: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=403018&post403018
I don't have any annual leave until March and I don't have a gun, so if you could just shoot yourself, I would appreciate it. Thanks.