Wiggins, Clinic respect?

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Craigee said:
and showing up and stropping around the Manchester velodrome straight after getting away with testifying.
Person A has a panic attack on Monday. On Tuesday, is Person A required to stay at home, avoiding work colleagues believing that his mental health crisis has caused them an unacceptable level of embarassment and that he should become an agoraphobic recluse? Or do we live in a more normal world where Person A is actually encouraged to return to work and get on with life?

Are you really the type of person who seeks to stigamtise mental health, Craigee?
 
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And yet there is no pride at stake in the nationally-biased DCMS enquiry by which you set such great store.

Quite a bit of kettle logic going on here.
As usual you assume too much, dear Fergie. I place no stock in the DCMS committee or any other sports-based/focused regulatory review body. I form my own opinions, be they on Sky or anything else. I don't need any official determination to vindicate them. The DCMS inquiry did some decent work, but it's final report was flawed and flaky.

Same with Freeman's book. Of course it was ghost-written. How much he wrote or input himself is irrelevant (though I note he carefully told the Beebs that "I feel well enough now to write it. There's some important messages I want to get across" - gotta say the right thing). The point is that he saw fit to get involved in the production of a book and cash in on his fleeting fame at the time or shortly after he was supposedly suffering from a major depressive illness and was even suicidal. Make of that what you will - in context with the rest of his actions in the last 2 years I know what I think.
 
fmk_RoI said:
Craigee said:
and showing up and stropping around the Manchester velodrome straight after getting away with testifying.
Person A has a panic attack on Monday. On Tuesday, is Person A required to stay at home, avoiding work colleagues believing that his mental health crisis has caused them an unacceptable level of embarassment and that he should become an agoraphobic recluse? Or do we live in a more normal world where Person A is actually encouraged to return to work and get on with life?

Are you really the type of person who seeks to stigamtise mental health, Craigee?
Oh for petes sakes. Stop playing internet games. and stop putting words in peoples mouths. Anyway it's the doctor who is using mental health to hide behind so take that up with him.

I stand by what I said. You can't expect everyone to believe you can't leave your home to testify but then rock on up at the velodrome. Things should've been taken further against him there but he's abusing the health system. Oh yeah just like team sky abuses the TUE system. They have no scruples and bring down the good name of good Brits. You Brits used to be known for doing the fair thing and having some pride.
 
By whom were we known for that?? Ourselves???

We are known for spawning the largest empire in the modern era, founded on violence and deception, for duplicity, hypocrisy and deceit. For exploitation and subjugation of our colonial captives and a subsequent century of denial.

So Team Sky probably did some naughty things, just like everybody else in recent history? Big deal. My heart bleeds for the poor pure innocents they cheated out of potential victory, people like Nibali from the whiter than white Astana, or Quintana and his almost holy wingman, Valverde.
 
Mamil said:
The point is that he saw fit to get involved in the production of a book and cash in on his fleeting fame at the time or shortly after he was supposedly suffering from a major depressive illness and was even suicidal. Make of that what you will - in context with the rest of his actions in the last 2 years I know what I think.
What I make of that is that your take on mental illness depends very much on sterotypes that bear little or no relation to reality.

Most people who have worked with someone who has committed suicide will tell you they never saw it coming. You don't have to hide away from the world to want to quit it. The same goes with being back at work the day after a panic attack: this is actually what people with mental health problems do.

Whether Freeman really does have mental health problems or whether he's trying to pull the wool over our eyes I don't know. But I do know that stigmatising mental health issues by relying on such stereotypes helps no one: it doesn't help those with genuine mental health issues, and it does not help prove your point.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
What I make of that is that your take on mental illness depends very much on sterotypes that bear little or no relation to reality.

Most people who have worked with someone who has committed suicide will tell you they never saw it coming. You don't have to hide away from the world to want to quit it. The same goes with being back at work the day after a panic attack: this is actually what people with mental health problems do.

Whether Freeman really does have mental health problems or whether he's trying to pull the wool over our eyes I don't know. But I do know that stigmatising mental health issues by relying on such stereotypes helps no one: it doesn't help those with genuine mental health issues, and it does not help prove your point.
More assumptions. I used to be employed in the health sector, working frequently with people with mental health conditions. I'm well aware of the myriad ways in which such conditions can impact upon people and their behaviour. I stereotype nothing.

Maybe Freeman did have the conditions and issues he claims. Of course it's impossible to know whole truth. But if he didn't, or if he was exaggerating them, and I believe based on the available evidence that this is more likely to be the case, then I would consider such behaviour to be absolutely reprehensible, especially coming from a doctor. You talk of me stigmatising mental health issues? The irony. You're looking in the wrong place. To make false use of mental health issues is deeply immoral, and an insult to those who genuinely suffer. Bit like Froome and his ridiculous posing as a champion of asthmatics. IF...
 
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macbindle said:
That's all well and good but making that post hasn't moved you any closer to actually knowing whether Freeman was ill. All you've done is repeat yourself.
I don't understand this post. I'm not trying to make the case here for Freeman's true mental state, nor attempting to seek it out. I already know what I think, and I've no interest in convincing anyone else of this or that position on the subject. My last couple of posts are simply refutations of some simplistic, erroneous assumptions and accusations.

I do kind of agree on the repeating though - there seems to sometimes be a need to spell things out really slowly. This has strayed off topic and from my original contribution to the discussion and I'll not be pursuing this particular avenue any further.
 
As a former star of 'The Jump' - and one who suffered an injury - Wiggins's people will be following this closely:
It was billed as a chance to watch celebrities tackle “seriously scary winter sports” on prime-time television, but the makers of The Jump are facing a seriously scary legal bill after an Olympic gymnast announced she is suing for £200,000 in damages after being injured on the show.

Beth Tweddle was airlifted to hospital in February 2016 while training on the ski jump at the Channel 4 show’s set in Austria. She said she had never fully recovered from the incident, which had affected her ability to work, and insisted the programme makers have never accepted responsibility.
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brownbobby said:
MartinGT said:
I must say though. His knowledge and commentating etc has been enjoyable.
Indeed...i find his podcasts enjoyable as well.

Have to say i'm finding him much easier to like these days than i ever did when he was riding!
Yes

Seems a lot more relaxed and calm and at ease with where he is. Good to see. Albeit his Insta yesterday had a pic with him and Gazza who looks an absolute sorry state. :sad:
 

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