Wiggins' Discusses Lance and Landis

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Well we can certainly say that the biggest joke about Wigans is not his name. Its his opinion...

My god what a tool
 
Jun 12, 2010
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The peeps who uphold the Omarta with the greatest of " dignity " say absalutly nothing .

Merkcx, Hinault, Delgado, Induran , Kelly. All show how it "should" be done..they dont get burnt, they dont look like idiots and , though we know in there time they also doped they dont sit and deny it. They just dont comment or judge.
Im not saying what they do is correct or just...but it`s a dam sight more dignified than insulting our inteligence Mr Wiggins.

A "class act" youl never be.:rolleyes:
 
Mrs John Murphy said:
Just remind us Brad - how did you become such a good climber again?
Allen Lim.

Darryl - I've never looked at Kelly like that, but I think you're right, I'll have to respect his words more next time he mumbles 3 or 4 nothings over the next doping issue.
 
Mar 12, 2009
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Martin318is said:
Well we can certainly say that the biggest joke about Wigans is not his name. Its his opinion...

My god what a tool

+1

Really disappointed to read the interview, tool indeed.
 
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Darryl Webster said:
The peeps who uphold the Omarta with the greatest of " dignity " say absalutly nothing .

Merkcx, Hinault, Delgado, Induran , Kelly. All show how it "should" be done..they dont get burnt, they dont look like idiots and , though we know in there time they also doped they dont sit and deny it. They just dont comment or judge.
Im not saying what they do is correct or just...but it`s a dam sight more dignified than insulting our inteligence Mr Wiggins.

A "class act" youl never be.:rolleyes:
Just a quick aside - having just reread Kelly by a certain David Walsh, it is rather interesting the change in attitude toward doping from DW.
 
Aug 17, 2009
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BroDeal said:
How can anyone trust Wigans, Sky, or Garmin? He, just like all pros, has to know that Armstrong is a hardcore doper. He knows Armstrong is guilty. What is more, at Garmin at least one of the ex-Postal riders must have told him that the whole Postal team was dirty. Vaughters has said that he is open about his past with his riders. He has to have talked about the contrast between Slipstream and the teams that he rode for. So Wigans knows that Landis is telling the truth. Yet he goes to the press and defends Armstrong and badmouths Landis.

Wigans is a lying sack. And if he will lie about something when it would be far easier to deflect questions by refusing to comment then he would surely be willing to go further when he had a vested interest to lie,. I think we can safely assume that everything that he has ever said about clean cycling was a public relations sham.

THIS! Wigans is a tool. A lying sack indeed. He should of shut the .... up and said no comment. Tool
 
i'm going deep into the vault on this one. wiggins er wigans or is it wiggans? what-his-name is attempting the impossible, it's a very rare and daring move....it's called the "pete rose". for those of you unfamiliar with American baseball - it occurs when someone is lying even tho you know that he knows that you know he's lying and he continues to lie anyway.

it's a thousand times more effective than you'd expect. ;)
 
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lean said:
i'm going deep into the vault on this one. wiggins er wigans or is it wiggans? what-his-name is attempting the impossible, it's a very rare and daring move....it's called the "pete rose". for those of you unfamiliar with American baseball - it occurs when someone is lying even tho you know that he knows that you know he's lying and he continues to lie anyway.

it's a thousand times more effective than you'd expect. ;)

That made me laugh out loud.
 
Dec 7, 2010
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Granville57 said:
There are so many things wrong with Wiggins' statement. Is this really the same guy? He's reaching word-for-word out of LA's playbook.

TexPat said:
Shocking how ridiculously stupid he sounds!
It's so bad it had to be staged.

Now this has got me to thinking. Are we seeing some of the same from both Floyd and Wiggy? Are they just tossing out the ridiculous statements because the whole thing is mired in ridiculousness? I really have to wonder now.

Wiggy often has a bit of wacky Brit humor to offer, so maybe he's just pushing buttons for the fun of it. His specific use of words seems to be so telling. Maybe he's repeating Lance's lines as a twisted message to LA's inner circle as to just how much of a bad joke this whole thing has become? They would have to nod agreement with all of their carefully crafted talking points that are now spewing from Wiggy's mouth, but they would also sense that they were being taunted with their own drivel at the same time.

Is Wiggy clever enough and/or tweaked enough to do that? I've never met the man so I couldn't accurately make that assessment. But he is certainly odd in his own way. The answer will determine whether I despise him for his complicity or applaud him for his audacity.

I'm beginning to think that "crazy" is the color of the day. :)
 
Granville57 said:
Now this has got me to thinking. Are we seeing some of the same from both Floyd and Wiggy? Are they just tossing out the ridiculous statements because the whole thing is mired in ridiculousness? I really have to wonder now.

Wiggy often has a bit of wacky Brit humor to offer, so maybe he's just pushing buttons for the fun of it. His specific use of words seems to be so telling. Maybe he's repeating Lance's lines as a twisted message to LA's inner circle as to just how much of a bad joke this whole thing has become? They would have to nod agreement with all of their carefully crafted talking points that are now spewing from Wiggy's mouth, but they would also sense that they were being taunted with their own drivel at the same time.

Is Wiggy clever enough and/or tweaked enough to do that? I've never met the man so I couldn't accurately make that assessment. But he is certainly odd in his own way. The answer will determine whether I despise him for his complicity or applaud him for his audacity.

I'm beginning to think that "crazy" is the color of the day. :)

Well it will all come out in the follow up. If he really is just having a laugh you can expect him to return to 2007 Wiggo very soon. If he really is an active omerta enforcer then he will continue to talk nonsense.
 
Good points, I think Wiggo is taking the p*i*s*s*

Having said that I would still like to understand why he had a pop in his Hb just before the final week in 2009 like Armstrong. Is it because these guys are such supermen that one rest day and they spike up?

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As seen here : http://www.slipstreamsports.com/2009/07/31/bradley-wiggins-releases-blood-profiles
 
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webvan said:
Good points, I think Wiggo is taking the p*i*s*s*

Having said that I would still like to understand why he had a pop in his Hb just before the final week in 2009 like Armstrong. Is it because these guys are such supermen that one rest day and they spike up?

This, the interview, and basically everything else he's done for the last two years show that Wigans is part of the problem, not the solution. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
 
Not really surprising considering what he's said before, but some of the stuff he says is just Lance in the third person with the 'most tested, never failed' schtick and talking about Landis' credibility.

He was going well talking about putting everyone's passport results on the internet, but then it's just very disappointing. I mean, I'm not saying he should come out and say he thinks Lance doped, but he could've said that 'he's found himself in a mess now and we'll see what happens with the investigation' or something.


TeamSkyFans said:
The repeated use of the most tested line, he knows that isnt true. Simple maths says cav, cancellara and a host of others are more tested. Wouldnt surprise me at all if he added that in to wind up everyone on here.

:confused:
 
Everyone is conveniently ignoring this comment.....

"All the other stuff that’s come on with Landis and things like that is one for the courts and whether the truth will ever come out is down to this investigation. I think time will tell with that"

and the journalists take on his responses
"Wiggins, it seems, is a firm believer on letting the judicial process do its work"

Internet rumour and speculation hasn't served the Anti Armstrong cause very well so far, so how about leaving the decision to the experts (the courts)
 
andy1234 said:
Everyone is conveniently ignoring this comment.....

"All the other stuff that’s come on with Landis and things like that is one for the courts and whether the truth will ever come out is down to this investigation. I think time will tell with that"

Maybe he should've left it at that rather than bigging up Lance and calling Landis a madman.

I mean, I really don't know how he could still be talking about Landis' credibility seeing as there's a federal investigation going on that has come about in some part due to him. And everything we are hearing in the press that is coming from the actual investigation isn't being made up.

At this point, anyone denying what Landis has said is firmly in Lance's camp.
 
luckyboy said:
Maybe he should've left it at that rather than bigging up Lance and calling Landis a madman..

Agreed, but Madman is your term, not Wiggins

EDIT: just reread the article and Mad Man was Wiggins term, So agreed again, not the right thing to do!

luckyboy said:
I mean, I really don't know how he could still be talking about Landis' credibility seeing as there's a federal investigation going on that has come about in some part due to him. And everything we are hearing in the press that is coming from the actual investigation isn't being made up..

Taken in isolation, Landis DOES have poor credibility. Too much has gone on with the guy to be seen in any other light.
Fortunately for the prosecution, Landis is far from being the only source of evidence.
 
Rereading what he says about Landis you could counter everything with something about Lance.

Lying under oath.
Making telephone calls, threatening people.
For "stories about drinking" there are stories about "hookers and blow".

Funny really.


Oh, I accept it was 'like coming from a madman' rather than straight out calling him one.

Despite his credibility, without Landis none of this might be happening.
 
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webvan said:
Good points, I think Wiggo is taking the p*i*s*s*

Having said that I would still like to understand why he had a pop in his Hb just before the final week in 2009 like Armstrong. Is it because these guys are such supermen that one rest day and they spike up?

This is the major problem with riders making their figures publically available. People with no qualifications make judgements about things they don't really understand. They just read on the internet that the values should drop, so if they don't they think they have evidence of doping.

I doubt you have formally studied this stuff. I certainly haven't. So neither of us really know what we're looking at. We don't know what a clean rider's data should look like (taking into account factors such as when in the day the tests were taken, what sort of stages had they been doing).

Admittedly there was one Danish expert who said he 'didn't like the shape of the curve' (an Excel feature), but also said there wasn't enough data and he had looked at any actual numbers. Everyone else said there was nothing unusual.
 
Mambo95 said:
This is the major problem with riders making their figures publically available. People with no qualifications make judgements about things they don't really understand. They just read on the internet that the values should drop, so if they don't they think they have evidence of doping.

I doubt you have formally studied this stuff. I certainly haven't. So neither of us really know what we're looking at. We don't know what a clean rider's data should look like (taking into account factors such as when in the day the tests were taken, what sort of stages had they been doing).

Admittedly there was one Danish expert who said he 'didn't like the shape of the curve' (an Excel feature), but also said there wasn't enough data and he had looked at any actual numbers. Everyone else said there was nothing unusual.

It's kind of stupid just posting a few details too - it should be the complete list of tests and values (I think Basso does this?). I'm not sure if Wiggins just released those plots or if he included more detailed numbers.
 
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Ferminal said:
It's kind of stupid just posting a few details too - it should be the complete list of tests and values (I think Basso does this?). I'm not sure if Wiggins just released those plots or if he included more detailed numbers.

Yeah, the more data the better. I don't think Wiggins would have been tested that much though. Garmin's usual approach is to release full data to the media if an qualified expert is also involved. I suppose someone could have taken them up on it re.Wiggins if they thought something was wrong, but I don't think they did.