Wiggins Discussion thread.

[trevim]

“How that's going to work with the team I don't know, it's more Dave's problem, really.”

Ahah good one from Wiggins. Finnaly he says something to show who's the boss. Congrats Wiggo

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-he-now-wants-to-win-2013-Tour-de-France.aspx

 

[webvan]

Oh no! Wonder what made Wiggo change his mind? Possibly that no one cares about the Giro outside of Italy and these forums!

 

[Ferminal]

What a special fora then.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Oh no! Wonder what made Wiggo change his mind? Possibly that no one cares about the Giro outside of Italy and these forums!

There is something uniquely classy about the Maglia Rosa

and the Giro trophy

Italian style I guess. Hard to beat.

 

[Parrulo]

the italians due seem to have the edge on cool trophies. the giro trophy absolutely fantastic (just imagine how huge it will be in 50 years as every year they add a bit more "gold with the name of the winner to the spiral) and the TA trident is a brilliant design considering TW is the race btw 2 seas.

 

[The Hitch]

Oh no! Wonder what made Wiggo change his mind? Possibly that no one cares about the Giro outside of Italy and these forums!

I like it when people come out and make it clear they only want to troll. Saves us from taking them seriously later.

 

[The Hitch]

the italians due seem to have the edge on cool trophies. the giro trophy absolutely fantastic (just imagine how huge it will be in 50 years as every year they add a bit more "gold with the name of the winner to the spiral) and the TA trident is a brilliant design considering TW is the race btw 2 seas.

 

[movingtarget]

I think Wiggins is making a mistake. Bonus seconds still would not have wiped out the TT gains. Maybe he is serious about helping Froome win the Tour like he said he would which I think Froome has earned.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I think Wiggins is making a mistake. Bonus seconds still would not have wiped out the TT gains. Maybe he is serious about helping Froome win the Tour like he said he would which I think Froome has earned.

Of course not. Did you read what he said? He's not even pretending that he wants to help Froome win the Tour. He wants to put him in his place AND beat the world's best GT specialists this time. Not gonna happen, though.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Of course not. Did you read what he said? He's not even pretending that he wants to help Froome win the Tour. He wants to put him in his place AND beat the world's best GT specialists this time. Not gonna happen, though.

I think he is making a big mistake if he passes the Giro over for the Tour. I can understand wanting to defend his title but if the big boys are out in the mountains it will not end well.

However, it would sure make for an interesting race.

 

[serfla]

Although I always thought the story about targeting Giro and supporting Froome in the Tour doesn't hold water, I think his latest decision (or however you want to call it) is related to preparation period as much as it's related to his ambitions.
Both, objective and subjective, reasons influenced his decision, I think.
Now, Sky has to define team hierarchy before the Tour. 'Cause if they enter the race with two leaders, waiting for development on the road to decide who'll be protected, they could end empty handed.
Froome should go to Giro. To confirm he's GT potential, capable of leading the team and to learn a bit more about racing tactics.
No way Wiggo will do Giro - Tour in Basso's 2010 style. He's defending champion and he can't come to the race with "what happens - happens" mindset. And he's not Italian to prioritize Giro over the Tour.

 

[Ferminal]

I think he is making a big mistake if he passes the Giro over for the Tour. I can understand wanting to defend his title but if the big boys are out in the mountains it will not end well.

However, it would sure make for an interesting race.

I think it would be more interesting having Froome there as the 3rd climber rather than him 30" down the road towing Sir. Only fun would be if it kicks off between them!

Also want Wiggins in the Giro as it means Sky would take it by the horns instead of the 19 day [nothing] we had this year.

 

[wirral]

He qualified what he said by adding that if Froome proves stronger, he will support him for the yellow jersey.

I think the key point is the mixed messages coming out as the GC contenders jostle for position within the team. Previously Brad was the undisputed leader for GT's. Things have got more complicated now.

 

[Publicus]

I can respect what Wiggins is saying here. He wants to prove that he is a legitimate GT contender and not the fluke folks are whispering about. He wants to see how he stacks up against the universally recognized best Grand Tour rider of this era. Not defending his title essentially gives truth to the whispers. He HAS to show up.

 

[virandociclista]

Froome will go to the Giro.
Wiggles will go to the tour de france.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Only fun would be if it kicks off between them!

That's what I meant. I just cannot see Froome riding for Wiggins in the Tour. And what if Contador goes on the mountains as he surely will? Would they really be able to slowly pull him back like Nibali? I doubt it.

If Froome still can TT as well as the last Tour then 'all' he needs to do is mark Contador.

 

[The Hitch]

I think it would be more interesting having Froome there as the 3rd climber rather than him 30" down the road towing Sir. Only fun would be if it kicks off between them!

Also want Wiggins in the Giro as it means Sky would take it by the horns instead of the 19 day [nothing] we had this year.

Are you on crack? Sky at the giro would be the train neutralizing the stelvio, tre cime and especially galibier as wiggins takes 4 minutes in the tt. Who at the giro could fly away from the sky train? At least in the tour wed have Al and Andy and maybe gesink or quintana or pinot.

This way someone like henao or uran can have a go at the giro and we could see a good one.

 

[The Hitch]

That's what I meant. I just cannot see Froome riding for Wiggins in the Tour. And what if Contador goes on the mountains as he surely will? Would they really be able to slowly pull him back like Nibali? I doubt it.

If Froome still can TT as well as the last Tour then 'all' he needs to do is mark Contador.

More over there are 1 or 2 mtfs this year. Alpe and i forget what else. Its a lot harder to bring climbers back.if they can leave it all on the climb that if they have 20k of flat and descent to get through.

 

[LaFlorecita]

More over there are 1 or 2 mtfs this year. Alpe and i forget what else. Its a lot harder to bring climbers back.if they can leave it all on the climb that if they have 20k of flat and descent to get through.

4 mtfs I thought

 

[Parrulo]

4 mtfs I thought

indeed, A3D, ventoux, alpe and semmoz

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Sky at the giro would be the train neutralizing the stelvio

I don't know about that. The Stelvio is generally every man for himself. Not sure a train will help once you hit it.

 

[Miburo]

I don't know about that. The Stelvio is generally every man for himself. Not sure a train will help once you hit it.

Stelvio is not that steep besides the last few km. A train will very much help you in the beginning.

Ask Hesjedal

 

[Miburo]

I can respect what Wiggins is saying here. He wants to prove that he is a legitimate GT contender and not the fluke folks are whispering about. He wants to see how he stacks up against the universally recognized best Grand Tour rider of this era. Not defending his title essentially gives truth to the whispers. He HAS to show up.

If Wiggins has some brains he knows he has no chance to win against Contador at 100%, not even against Contador at 95%. I think not even one of us will give him more than 1% chance.

British newspapers (according to hitch) think he's the best GT rider of this moment.

Besides a lot of people are already bashing him for the Froome-stuff. That will only get worse.

Sky might risk in losing Froome whois the real future for Sky. So will Sky risk it to **** of Froome?

Giro is right now perfect. And he can use the excuse of trying to become a 'legend'. And beating Nibali is way easier than handling with Contador.

If Wiggins thinks having Froome in your team is stressful than what about Contador? You've never EVER done with this dude. If he's 10 seconds behind on the last stage I'm sure he'll attack on the champs-elysee.

Smart choice is obviously riding the giro.

Obviously I hope he goes for the tour. I don't think I need to explain why

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Stelvio is not that steep besides the last few km. A train will very much help you in the beginning.

Ask Hesjedal

For some reason I was mixing it up with Cuito Negro which tells me I should lock my computer and go to bed...

 

[The Hitch]

British newspapers (according to hitch) think he's the best GT rider of this moment.

Not entirely. The newspapers too, but when it comes to thinking Wiggins is king for good, its mainly what the fans say.

At the olympics i head numerous people expouse confidence that Wiggins will easily retain the tour next year. 1 group i was sitting next to on the train expressed their regret at not making it to Paris for his win but decided they would definately go for it next year as no one could challenge him.
Another group at box hill were trying to calculate how many years until the next non British winner because from what they saw at the Tour no one can challenge Froome or wiggins for a while

And on the newspaper message boards ive been laughed at for saying wiggins will struggle to beat Contador next year because Contador off drugs will be struggling to finish the race.

Some of those "journalists" who write major op ed pieces about cycling now despite only knowing about 1 sport - football (eg martin samuel, supposed "sports writer of the decade" who made a laughable comparison of Hinaults and Lances alpe d huez climbs saying that a non dopers limit should be beating Hinault by 3 minutes maximum - ergo anything under 45 minutes on alpe - is doping), some of these journalists will express confidence that Britain will now dominate the Tour de France and hence cycling, but i think the ones who actually know a little about cycling know not to put too much pressure on their friend and just celebrate Wiggins recent win.