While he's had a great career, i expected some grand gesture from him as he had nothing to lose. Even Luke Rowe finished ahead of him & also guys from the breakaway
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from
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/apr/12/john-degenkolb-paris-roubaix-bradley-wggings-team-sky
“I’ve just kissed Dave Brailsford on the forehead and told him we’ve gone through a lot together,” Wiggins said. “He’s known me since I was an 18-year-old streak of p-ss and now I’m a 35-year-old streak of p-ss. I was pleased with the race. I wanted a clean run; I didn’t have one puncture or crash. I had the legs to win but everyone in that group did. It could have been any one of us.”
arrogant to the end.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/apr/12/john-degenkolb-paris-roubaix-bradley-wggings-team-sky
“I’ve just kissed Dave Brailsford on the forehead and told him we’ve gone through a lot together,” Wiggins said. “He’s known me since I was an 18-year-old streak of p-ss and now I’m a 35-year-old streak of p-ss. I was pleased with the race. I wanted a clean run; I didn’t have one puncture or crash. I had the legs to win but everyone in that group did. It could have been any one of us.”
arrogant to the end.
The amount of defending Wiggins on this thread is unbelievable- such insignificant slights that raise your ire.
Personally for the last few or so years I have gone from periods of being ambivalent to him (2011 early Vuelta lead), laughing at him (Giro 2013 descents) and despairing at his crushing form. I also felt sorry for him that he did not get to ride the last two TDF's, no matter how much better Froome was.
Congrats on an awesome road palmares- with notable instances of featuring in 2011 Spain, winning an epic Paris Nice in 2012 and crushing the opposition throughout that year (even Cadel
)-and have fun getting silver to the Aussie team pursuit squad
Personally for the last few or so years I have gone from periods of being ambivalent to him (2011 early Vuelta lead), laughing at him (Giro 2013 descents) and despairing at his crushing form. I also felt sorry for him that he did not get to ride the last two TDF's, no matter how much better Froome was.
Congrats on an awesome road palmares- with notable instances of featuring in 2011 Spain, winning an epic Paris Nice in 2012 and crushing the opposition throughout that year (even Cadel
)-and have fun getting silver to the Aussie team pursuit squad 
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Experience? You saw Boonen in 2002?
And iirc, at that point he hardly had any experience, i'm not 100% sure on this but iirc boonen never PR before that (with the youngsters)
Stybar too 2 years ago, was the only one who could follow when canc went. Never rode PR before that or many cobbles classic really.
Wiggins rode it enough, he wasn't good enough, simple.
If you're good at it, you don't need much.
The Hitch said:
Experience? You saw Boonen in 2002?
And iirc, at that point he hardly had any experience, i'm not 100% sure on this but iirc boonen never PR before that (with the youngsters)
Stybar too 2 years ago, was the only one who could follow when canc went. Never rode PR before that or many cobbles classic really.
Wiggins rode it enough, he wasn't good enough, simple.
If you're good at it, you don't need much.
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ray j willings said:TourOfSardinia said:
Wasn't you though Wiggo....LOOOOOOOSSSSERRRR
What have you done in your life personally? (PS Being an internet warrior doesn't count as an achievement
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Nah, he defended him after he knew, he knew in 2009 and was still defending him/attacking Landis after that.
HelloDolly said:
Nah, he defended him after he knew, he knew in 2009 and was still defending him/attacking Landis after that.
PremierAndrew said:ray j willings said:TourOfSardinia said:
Wasn't you though Wiggo....LOOOOOOOSSSSERRRR
What have you done in your life personally? (PS Being an internet warrior doesn't count as an achievement
internet warrior ,,,I like it
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ray j willings said:PremierAndrew said:ray j willings said:TourOfSardinia said:
Wasn't you though Wiggo....LOOOOOOOSSSSERRRR
What have you done in your life personally? (PS Being an internet warrior doesn't count as an achievement
internet warrior ,,,I like it
Sorry,but that guy got it wrong:you are no internet warrior,but a mere troll
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that little word us - he was no where near the group that won on Sunday.BigMac said:
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Oh come on... perhaps, just perhaps, he meant when the group was still together, and no others had broken away. Meant that all in there had a shot, including him, who tried. He tried to break away, failed. Ohers broke away, managed. That's what he meant.
You're giving it too much thinking.
TourOfSardinia said:
Oh come on... perhaps, just perhaps, he meant when the group was still together, and no others had broken away. Meant that all in there had a shot, including him, who tried. He tried to break away, failed. Ohers broke away, managed. That's what he meant.
You're giving it too much thinking.
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Yes you were talking about doping. When you start talking about "EPO" then you are talking about doping.
I am not netserk's spokesman. He's not the perfect poster, but he's often good with logic. But even if I was his spokesman, so what? How does that detract from the argument?
Wiggins was told by Jonathan Vaughters in 2008, everything about Lance UPS etc. He knew everything in 2008. This is verified by Vaughters himself. Additionally Wiggins himself claims he knew Lance was doping in 2009 when he came back.
Nonetheless in the years 2009-2012 there were dozens of occasions in which wiggins came out in the press to defend Lance's legacy, praise his impact on the sport, defend him as clean and attack the people accused him. Most famous was 2010 when a week after Landis said Lance doped, wiggo had a rant at Landis, claiming Landis was making it up and calling him a drunk (as well as other ad hominems).
I'm not one to tell people who they ought to support, but if I were you I would at the very least reconsider my staunch defense of the character, of someone who behaved that way. To pile onto the abuse Landis was getting, and call him a liar, when in fact you know he is telling the truth, is in my opinion, disgusting behaviour. It really is black and white, right and wrong, but people can support who they want.
In any case all this continued right up until the point Lance got banned. Even in 2012, the year he won everything, wiggins admitted a number of times throughout the season that he was phoning his friend Armstrong for advice. And yes, he knew he was guilty for over 4 years then.
You like most "fans" of any rider or celebrity, are in love with the celebrity and won't accept they are capable of doing anything wrong. Even though you don't know the person or their history at all. The same way the fan of the football team that conceded the penalty always believes it wasn't a penalty and the opposing fan believes it was. There is no logic used, you decide what is right or wrong based on who you support.
Anyway, for people who wanted to see Lance out of the sport in 2009-2012 and thought he was a bully, it was very annoying to see wiggins come out and use all his recently aquired prestige as a gc rider to keep prasing lance and attack those who didn't believe in him. Its also annoying to see someone like yourself who hasn't got a clue as to what actually happened, post falsifications, purely because you believe that any celebrity you choose to support must be a perfect person who can do no wrong.
That said, I have no problem with people celebrating wiggins riding and acheivements. I am afterall the author of this thread. Despite everything he was often a great rider and possibly had the greatest 6 month peaks in the history of the sport. He was also one of the most diverse riders the sport has ever seen (even if others who also despise the way he behaved and bullied people, can't admit it). He didn't do anything that every single gt winner over the last 20 years hasn't done. He isn't the only *** in the sport either.
But when people come into threads like this, blinded by nationalism and start posting things they have no idea about, to defend a guy purely because "he comes from the same country as me" it is out of order.
Well then I maybe a troll. But I actually deal with facts and post what happened. You make *** up based on what you want to be true.
Earlier you mocked some posters for not welcoming new fans like you with open arms. Well, maybe now you see why.
HelloDolly said:The Hitch said:HelloDolly said:Netserk said:By your logic everyone should've been a fan of ArmstrongHelloDolly said:
What a ridiculous thing to say
Lance Armstrong is a disqualified rider who admitted to taking EPO
There is no logical connection with what I said about Bradley attracting fans to the sport and everyone being a fan of Armstrong and your attempt to draw a parallel to Wiggins is insidious. This is why people defend Wiggins when trolls like you are determined to besmirch his career
Umm , Netserk didn't connect Armstrong to wiggins. Not that that would have been a false argument considering wiggins was for a long time armstrongs biggest cheerleader and even his attack dog.
But netserk was not reffering to that.
He used the sentence structure "by your logic...".
Which isn't a comparison but a critique of the logic you are implementing, by bringing up a more extreme example to demonstrate where the logic fails.
A very common sentence structure and argument in the English language.
PS, this is Pro racing section, not the clinic. If you want to talk doping, take that **** to the clinic, don't break the rules and post it here.
I am not talking doping I am stating a fact
Are you Netserk's spokesman ??
Yes you were talking about doping. When you start talking about "EPO" then you are talking about doping.
I am not netserk's spokesman. He's not the perfect poster, but he's often good with logic. But even if I was his spokesman, so what? How does that detract from the argument?
Actually, that is not true. I don't know where you got that from but I'm pretty certain you made it up.
Wiggins was told by Jonathan Vaughters in 2008, everything about Lance UPS etc. He knew everything in 2008. This is verified by Vaughters himself. Additionally Wiggins himself claims he knew Lance was doping in 2009 when he came back.
Nonetheless in the years 2009-2012 there were dozens of occasions in which wiggins came out in the press to defend Lance's legacy, praise his impact on the sport, defend him as clean and attack the people accused him. Most famous was 2010 when a week after Landis said Lance doped, wiggo had a rant at Landis, claiming Landis was making it up and calling him a drunk (as well as other ad hominems).
I'm not one to tell people who they ought to support, but if I were you I would at the very least reconsider my staunch defense of the character, of someone who behaved that way. To pile onto the abuse Landis was getting, and call him a liar, when in fact you know he is telling the truth, is in my opinion, disgusting behaviour. It really is black and white, right and wrong, but people can support who they want.
In any case all this continued right up until the point Lance got banned. Even in 2012, the year he won everything, wiggins admitted a number of times throughout the season that he was phoning his friend Armstrong for advice. And yes, he knew he was guilty for over 4 years then.
You like most "fans" of any rider or celebrity, are in love with the celebrity and won't accept they are capable of doing anything wrong. Even though you don't know the person or their history at all. The same way the fan of the football team that conceded the penalty always believes it wasn't a penalty and the opposing fan believes it was. There is no logic used, you decide what is right or wrong based on who you support.
Anyway, for people who wanted to see Lance out of the sport in 2009-2012 and thought he was a bully, it was very annoying to see wiggins come out and use all his recently aquired prestige as a gc rider to keep prasing lance and attack those who didn't believe in him. Its also annoying to see someone like yourself who hasn't got a clue as to what actually happened, post falsifications, purely because you believe that any celebrity you choose to support must be a perfect person who can do no wrong.
That said, I have no problem with people celebrating wiggins riding and acheivements. I am afterall the author of this thread. Despite everything he was often a great rider and possibly had the greatest 6 month peaks in the history of the sport. He was also one of the most diverse riders the sport has ever seen (even if others who also despise the way he behaved and bullied people, can't admit it). He didn't do anything that every single gt winner over the last 20 years hasn't done. He isn't the only *** in the sport either.
But when people come into threads like this, blinded by nationalism and start posting things they have no idea about, to defend a guy purely because "he comes from the same country as me" it is out of order.
Well then I maybe a troll. But I actually deal with facts and post what happened. You make *** up based on what you want to be true.
Earlier you mocked some posters for not welcoming new fans like you with open arms. Well, maybe now you see why.
DBotero said:ray j willings said:PremierAndrew said:ray j willings said:TourOfSardinia said:
Wasn't you though Wiggo....LOOOOOOOSSSSERRRR
What have you done in your life personally? (PS Being an internet warrior doesn't count as an achievement
internet warrior ,,,I like it
Sorry,but that guy got it wrong:you are no internet warrior,but a mere troll
IMO Wiggo's comments show arrogance and a lack of grace in being beaten by a stronger rider.
He did not win yesterday, in-fact he lost i.e. he his a loser and I am glad he lost
Not a troll just telling it like it is.
Try and stay on topic
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No
BigMac said:TourOfSardinia said:
Arrogant, where? This is an acute stage within confirmation bias, you're seeing things.
ray j willings said:Wasn't you though Wiggo....LOOOOOOOSSSSERRRR
Can you please not use 'smiley' emoticons after writing things like that.
No
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The Hitch
I did not mock anyone for not welcoming new posters ...can you give the link please*
I am not a new fan just new on this forum
and I don't make s**t up... in fact my first statement above * would suggest you do
I am not in love with Wiggins celebrity ..Again an example of making ...now what do you call it ...'s**t up'
You know nothing about me but that does not stop you making wild assumptions
You are an arrogant so and so who uses insults to make points
This says more about you than I ever could
I did not mock anyone for not welcoming new posters ...can you give the link please*
I am not a new fan just new on this forum
and I don't make s**t up... in fact my first statement above * would suggest you do
I am not in love with Wiggins celebrity ..Again an example of making ...now what do you call it ...'s**t up'
You know nothing about me but that does not stop you making wild assumptions
You are an arrogant so and so who uses insults to make points
This says more about you than I ever could
ray j willings said:TourOfSardinia said:
Wasn't you though Wiggo....LOOOOOOOSSSSERRRR
The 2013 study found that trolls often have a high expectation of what it means to be successful, which is higher than they are able to attain, and this results in them resenting others who think they are successful but who fall below their standards.
Two studies published in 2013 and 2014 have found that people who are identified as trolls tend to have dark personality traits and show signs of sadism, antisocial behavior, psychopathy, and machiavellianism.
elfed68 said:ray j willings said:TourOfSardinia said:
Wasn't you though Wiggo....LOOOOOOOSSSSERRRR
The 2013 study found that trolls often have a high expectation of what it means to be successful, which is higher than they are able to attain, and this results in them resenting others who think they are successful but who fall below their standards.
Two studies published in 2013 and 2014 have found that people who are identified as trolls tend to have dark personality traits and show signs of sadism, antisocial behavior, psychopathy, and machiavellianism.
That's very interesting . I hope over time you get to sort out all those issues you have.
God Bless
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elfed68 said:ray j willings said:TourOfSardinia said:
Wasn't you though Wiggo....LOOOOOOOSSSSERRRR
The 2013 study found that trolls often have a high expectation of what it means to be successful, which is higher than they are able to attain, and this results in them resenting others who think they are successful but who fall below their standards.
Two studies published in 2013 and 2014 have found that people who are identified as trolls tend to have dark personality traits and show signs of sadism, antisocial behavior, psychopathy, and machiavellianism.
The worst kind of posting. Well done.
Can we just get back on topic
Wiggo is a 2nd rate road rider who won the worst tour ever and is nowhere near good enough to win PR or anything similar.
He can't ride in the rain and since his tour win was destroyed by Nibs in the Giro and cannot challenge the top GT riders other wise he would have won another GT. He should stick to the track. As for his ITT ,that's a matter to be discussed in the clinic. That's not trolling that's my opinion.
Wiggo is a 2nd rate road rider who won the worst tour ever and is nowhere near good enough to win PR or anything similar.
He can't ride in the rain and since his tour win was destroyed by Nibs in the Giro and cannot challenge the top GT riders other wise he would have won another GT. He should stick to the track. As for his ITT ,that's a matter to be discussed in the clinic. That's not trolling that's my opinion.
Re:
The 2013 study found that trolls often have a high expectation of what it means to be successful, which is higher than they are able to attain, and this results in them resenting others who think they are successful but who fall below their standards.
Two studies published in 2013 and 2014 have found that people who are identified as trolls tend to have dark personality traits and show signs of sadism, antisocial behavior, psychopathy, and machiavellianism.
ray j willings said:
The 2013 study found that trolls often have a high expectation of what it means to be successful, which is higher than they are able to attain, and this results in them resenting others who think they are successful but who fall below their standards.
Two studies published in 2013 and 2014 have found that people who are identified as trolls tend to have dark personality traits and show signs of sadism, antisocial behavior, psychopathy, and machiavellianism.
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