Wiggins Discussion thread.

[will10]

The first man in over 20 years to win the double of P-N and Romandie.

A very prestigious double....

 

[spalco]

Really, well Brad, lets keep this going man.

I havent really ever been a massive fan of Wiggo. I was a little disappointed he jumped to Garmin to Sky after saying he wouldnt. But slowly he has grown on me.

I have been pleased with how he has seemed to relaxed with age and even over the passed year or so seems more chilled with the Media.

What I like about him is that he really goes all out getting the best from his body possible and doesn't leave anything on the road. Just look at how emaciated he is as proof of the former and today's TT as proof of the latter.

With guys like the Schlecks I always feel like they don't really care that much, like 5% too little or so, and don't give all they have to win - because second's pretty good too...

 

[hatcher]

Think he had a huge attitude adjustment after 2010; credit to Brailsford (or was it Shane Sutton?) for reading him the riot act. It seemed, to this unqualified psychologist, that until he won the Dauphine he didn't really believe in his ability to do so. Now he's going into races expecting to win. We're still to see how he reacts when adversity really hits, though today was a decent glimpse.

 

[lukinox]

I've never really cared for the guy, to be honest I always thought he was a bit overrated, but now I start to think that he might have a shot at the Tour, only time will tell...

 

[BillytheKid]

Wiggins for the Tour this July. Perfect TT position even on the climb.

http://www.steephill.tv/2012/tour-de-romandie/photos/stage-05/#012-RTR31DNC-r.jpg

If you wanted climbing you got it today… except they had the pleasure of another 8Ks over a long false flat and rolling terrain to the finish. No BS about the lack of climbing. The profile misleads. Compute the rise over run and you get close to 10%. Someone posted it was officially 9.5%. The most adaptive and skillful of the talented won the day.

Wiggins does have the advantage of the pursuit background on the track and he applies it well to longer road TT.

 

[will10]

Think he had a huge attitude adjustment after 2010; credit to Brailsford (or was it Shane Sutton?) for reading him the riot act. It seemed, to this unqualified psychologist, that until he won the Dauphine he didn't really believe in his ability to do so. Now he's going into races expecting to win. We're still to see how he reacts when adversity really hits, though today was a decent glimpse.

Agree. Sutton publically saying that Brad didn't put the work in in 2010 seems to have revitalised him. A shame his PN and Romandie wins came on such poor parcours. Dauphine looks tailor made yet again, he has every reason to be confident going there but I'm still not sure about the Tour.

Wiggins for the Tour this July. Perfect TT position even on the climb.

http://www.steephill.tv/2012/tour-de-romandie/photos/stage-05/#012-RTR31DNC-r.jpg

If you wanted climbing you got it today… except they had the pleasure of another 8Ks over a long false flat and rolling terrain to the finish. No BS about the lack of climbing. The profile misleads. Compute the rise over run and you get close to 10%. Someone posted it was officially 9.5%. The most adaptive and skillful of the talented won the day.

Wiggins does have the advantage of the pursuit background on the track and he applies it well to longer road TT.

Why don't you copy and paste this to yet another thread

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Wiggins for the Tour this July. Perfect TT position even on the climb.

http://www.steephill.tv/2012/tour-de-romandie/photos/stage-05/#012-RTR31DNC-r.jpg

But is that nose really so aerodynamic

 

[karlboss]

Wiggins for the Tour this July. Perfect TT position even on the climb.

http://www.steephill.tv/2012/tour-de-romandie/photos/stage-05/#012-RTR31DNC-r.jpg

If you wanted climbing you got it today… except they had the pleasure of another 8Ks over a long false flat and rolling terrain to the finish. No BS about the lack of climbing. The profile misleads. Compute the rise over run and you get close to 10%. Someone posted it was officially 9.5%. The most adaptive and skillful of the talented won the day.

Wiggins does have the advantage of the pursuit background on the track and he applies it well to longer road TT.

For a total of 4km.

Brad's climbing in a GT is still the big question mark, he is found wanting on every MTF that is really raced. What do I mean? In a Tour that was raced like last year, he'd have a very good shot, every time Evans climbed i can't imagine he'd have dropped Wiggins, didn't drop about 7 or 8 other guys...but something like Tourmalet in 2010 even sticking with Sanchez would be an ask, and that puts him 1:30 back from Andy who did all the work.
Too many are underestimating not the MTFs in the tour this year, but the mountains that precede them and the days of multiple climbs.
Wiggins looks great, but honestly there aren't the races before the tour to have a look at this question mark in his GT winning potential.

 

[Havetts]

The thing most people doubt is Wiggins over multiple cat1s/HCs. The dauphine he won he lost 1 minute to Rodriguez who was in peak form, 30+/- to Gesink & VDB who should be around the same form but not 100%. In the vuelta the Angliru stage he lost two minutes.

Thats why most of us 'doubters' are not calling him the winner already, the Toussuire stage this tour for example will be raced on an infernal pace and we'll have to see how Wiggo copes. The Joux Plane stage in the Dauphine will be a good indicator.

 

[The Hitch]

But how many such stages will there be? 2, 3 at most no?

tts he can get, on this form maybe 2 minutes out of even Evans. Hes not going to lose any on the flat, unless he crashes. If Voeckler can manage to keep with Cadel in the big mountains, I think Wiggins can too.

 

[karlboss]

The thing most people doubt is Wiggins over multiple cat1s/HCs. The dauphine he won he lost 1 minute to Rodriguez who was in peak form, 30+/- to Gesink & VDB who should be around the same form but not 100%. In the vuelta the Angliru stage he lost two minutes.

Thats why most of us 'doubters' are not calling him the winner already, the Toussuire stage this tour for example will be raced on an infernal pace and we'll have to see how Wiggo copes. The Joux Plane stage in the Dauphine will be a good indicator.

The stage profile may suggest it, but the context doesn't as GC won't be on the line unless Wiggins cracks completely.

 

[Havetts]

The stage profile may suggest it, but the context doesn't as GC won't be on the line unless Wiggins cracks completely.

But then again, that stage will show how wiggins will do on a very tough multiple mountainstage this year.

 

[eljimberino]

Go Wiggo, you can win the tour. Yeah man.

 

[karlboss]

But how many such stages will there be? 2, 3 at most no?

tts he can get, on this form maybe 2 minutes out of even Evans. Hes not going to lose any on the flat, unless he crashes. If Voeckler can manage to keep with Cadel in the big mountains, I think Wiggins can too.

Even this is optimistic, i doubt there will even be 1, raced in a telling fashion.

I'd say Wiggins and Evans are pretty close in the mountains, slight nod to Evans...maybe. I think you know the reality of Voekler staying with Evans...Evans never tried to crack him. This year I imagine will be different as I envisage someone will be trying to crack the group of favourites every mountain stage.

 

[karlboss]

But then again, that stage will show how wiggins will do on a very tough multiple mountainstage this year.

A tough mountain stage ceases to be a tough mountain stage when everyone rides slow

 

[blaxland]

Congrats wiggo on another win this season.Looking like you and Cadel must be the favourites to win this years tour.Also good to see Porte and Rodgers finding decent form.Seems to me the other contenders need to stand up soon"

 

[spalco]

The thing most people doubt is Wiggins over multiple cat1s/HCs. The dauphine he won he lost 1 minute to Rodriguez who was in peak form, 30+/- to Gesink & VDB who should be around the same form but not 100%. In the vuelta the Angliru stage he lost two minutes.

Thats why most of us 'doubters' are not calling him the winner already, the Toussuire stage this tour for example will be raced on an infernal pace and we'll have to see how Wiggo copes. The Joux Plane stage in the Dauphine will be a good indicator.

Depends who Wiggins loses the time to though. He can proabably give up a minute to Andy on every single MTF in the Tour and still beat him if his form is as good as it looks and he can even give up a bunch of time to Nibali, Menchov, Valverde and Sanchez in the mountains without totally ruining his chances.

 

[Euskaltel!]

Clearly HC climbs on mountainous days are going to be his achilles heel. However, Andy will not be with Contador this year so he'll have to go on his own, which may prove difficult. Plus, how much is Andy gonna lose in the TT? I can see him having an awful day and losing 4mins+...

Then there's the question of if Andy is up the road, who can follow him? Sanchez? Perhaps? But Gesink, Cadel, VDB etc are likely to be with Wiggo, which with his strong team, can only help him...

But yeah, the few days in the heavy mountains are gonna be hard for Wiggo, he's gonna have to leave it all out on the road and will still probably struggle.

 

[greenedge]

Galibier last year was without Contador in the move.

Also good point about Wiggins struggling. If he struggles a lot in the mountains could that then hamper his ITT ( a bit like Cadel 08 )???

 

[hrotha]

Galibier last year was solo.

 

[Richeypen]

The thing most people doubt is Wiggins over multiple cat1s/HCs. The dauphine he won he lost 1 minute to Rodriguez who was in peak form, 30+/- to Gesink & VDB who should be around the same form but not 100%. In the vuelta the Angliru stage he lost two minutes.

Thats why most of us 'doubters' are not calling him the winner already, the Toussuire stage this tour for example will be raced on an infernal pace and we'll have to see how Wiggo copes. The Joux Plane stage in the Dauphine will be a good indicator.

That was the same stage where he put time into Evans who went on to win the tour. And you neatly gloss over the stage the next day which included the Croix de Fer and La Toussuire where he finished with the favourites.

As for the Angliru he lost 1.20 not two minutes on one of the hardest climbs in the world two weeks after coming back from a broken collarbone. In fact he put time into Jrod, VDB, Mollema, Nibali etc. (I notice that you aren't mentioning the two MTFs where Wiggins ripped the field to shreds)

Now Im not saying that Wiggins is a shoe in for the Tour, infact I think Menchov will win it, but to play down his chances based on his climbing in the Dauphine and the Vuelta last year is just wrong.

 

[will10]

Wiggins will win the World Tour.

Paris Nice, Romandie, Dauphine, top 3 Tour de France, Beijing.

 

[Havetts]

That was the same stage where he put time into Evans who went on to win the tour. And you neatly gloss over the stage the next day which included the Croix de Fer and La Toussuire where he finished with the favourites.

As for the Angliru he lost 1.20 not two minutes on one of the hardest climbs in the world two weeks after coming back from a broken collarbone. In fact he put time into Jrod, VDB, Mollema, Nibali etc. (I notice that you aren't mentioning the two MTFs where Wiggins ripped the field to shreds)

I did not mention the stages you mentioned cause I was not sure if they were multiple hard mountain stages. Of course he did well on those you mentioned, you'd have to be blind to deny.

 

[greenedge]

Sry, Contador was not in that move thats' what i meant.

 

[jens_attacks]

Wiggins wants to be a credible Tour de France winner

Tenerife training camp ahead of Critérium du Dauphiné



lol that was mean by you cyclingnews



"So to be able to follow on from somebody like him would be nice, rather than doing it after somebody had a positive test hanging over his head for a year or two.”

lol wtf?it seems i'm back to 2009.i hope rollland and cobo will rape uk postal in july.what a load of crrap by wiggo thank you very much